Spirits gift on melees

1) Fail attempt to immitate the archers and bp post?

2) Even if you post from some alt, we can all see who you are.

3) Everyone has a mag att of at least 1, and not 0. With pretty much everyone being rank 8, most have at least 125 mag attack even as melee class.

4) All magic weapons have physical attack stats that kick in when auto-attacking (i.e. wacking at mobs). However, no melee weapon has mag att stats. So you can't compare bp with mag att buff that easily.

5) Mag att =/= mag damage. Each class can do mag damage even if their mag att is 1, just look at archers blazing arrow or seekers battousai.

6) Like said above, clerics use buff macros. There is no reason for them to use the 3 group buffs, then use the single target version of magic att buff only on caster classes (which normally only lasts 30min and not 60min like group version), just because you dislike having a useless buff.

7) The demon/sage versions grant the caster an advantage (like said above). Why would you want the cleric to switch targets for the extra mag att or mp regen effect?

8) Will you also rage at a cleric buffing you with magic shell when you are grinding on melee mobs or tanking gouf?

Fintan - Lost City wrote: »

It's not worth it. Clerics are always wrong and at fault. We're used to it. Why do you think there's relatively little concern about mystics being able to heal? b:chuckle

b:chuckle I know :P Also play a cleric myself. But this post just had so much incorrect and absurd thinking... Especially if you take a look at the main toons lol

Archer + BP is not the same thing as melees with Spirits Gift or casters with Strength of the Titans so its a kinda pointless tread.

Difference: Archers (and venos) would benefit from Blood Paint a lot and it would change their gameplay in PvE.

Gameplay-wise it doesn't matter if my BM gets Spirits Gift or if my Cleric gets Frost Blade or or Strength of the Titans since no benefit at all. This is old buffs to, probably 6-7 years ago when Devs made the old classes. I doubt they where thinking in lines of "you should only get buffs you need" when they where creating the skills and this game.

Blood paint however was something Devs actually decided on after the Tideborn expansion. They only want 4 classes to benefit from this buff because they're lame and discriminating people. I'm all for BP being all-class buff and i cant see the harm in everyone getting it. But its not the same thing as me annoying BMs and only giving them Spirits Gift when they ask for buffs b:avoid.

Chickpea - Lost City wrote: »

Difference: Archers (and venos) would benefit from Blood Paint a LOT and it would change their gameplay in PvE.

Gameplay-wise it doesn't matter if my BM gets Spirits Gift or if my Cleric gets Frost Blade or or Strength of the Titans since no benefit at all. This is old buffs to, probably 6-7 years ago when Devs made the old classes. I doubt they where thinking in lines of "you should only get buffs you need" when they where creating the skills and this game.

You didn't emphasize "LOT" enough. I fixed that for you. I can think of a couple of archers who would become nearly invincible soloing bosses with BP... b:shocked

And as I stated, back then, it was more common to see people actually use the shards we now consider "useless". (C'mon, when's the last time you saw a BM with a couple of grade 12 Aquamarines in his usual wep, with a Wizard's Frostblade buff and Level 10/11 Spirit's Gift? b:shocked As per usual, I'll let an archer do the math, lest I muck it up [especially since I don't have a high-level Wizard's stats handy to calculate from, nor do I understand the stacking]. )

If you actually play to the limits of the melee classes, the Spirit's Gift buff would be considered OP... especially in the hands of high-APS PKers... b:cry So yeah, the devs didn't mess up here in terms of "only [...] buff you need", since the game (as designed) makes the buff desirable to a large subset of melee players.

Again, current state of the game is not quite in line with how a perfect Perfect World would operate. This does not negate the fact that the buff can be dangerous in the right hands. Luckily, we don't have to worry about that too much, since everyone's going for higher Attack Levels more than anything these days... b:surrender

If anything, we should be complaining that Clerics don't benefit from Frostblade, since it'd make for stronger heals! b:chuckle (I still like getting the buff. It's purty!)

I've not played any of my Wizards up to level 39 yet to get the skill, but the tooltip I've seen sure does indicate "your base magic attack", not the target's. Is it wrong? In that case, yeah, I redact the statement somewhat.

truekossy wrote: »

Yeah. The tooltip for the skill is one of PWI's many errors.

OK. So we're still looking at +400 of some elemental damage from the 2 shards + however much matk the melee has due to sticking a few points in Mag to help MP regen + however Spirit's Gift stacks, for Frostblade, right?

LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »

Its wrong. Oh god its wrong.

Just imagine a Demon Wiz casting a 50% of HIS MAtk onto an APS characters weapon after triple sparking. That would be around 10,000 Water damage per hit if not much much more.

And that's exactly what I had in mind, not being able to USE Frostblade myself (*cough* Cleric *cough*... At least we get the buff icon for it, unlike with BP...). Combined with Spirit's Gift, a pair of high-grade elemental shards in the weapon, and the off few MAG points... b:shockedb:shutup

Chickpea - Lost City wrote: »

if my Cleric gets Frost Blade or or Strength of the Titans since no benefit at all.

frost blade gives you a nice shiny hand b:cute And maybe you can crit heal with demon titans b:avoid

Actually... claw sin would have more DPS than archer (if sage) from wolf emblem buff. b:surrender

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

all clerics = masochists b:chuckle

Does that make me a **** for denying them as much pain as I can?