Frustrated with Power Levelers!!!!

Silvatar - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem with exploiting the opportunity to power level was never made clearer to me than just the other day. I was randomly buffing people and helping low-levels at Broken Low Buff with the mini-bosses Char and Yan when a sin who was questing there pm'ed me for help to kill Char. So I invited him and discovered that he was a level 73 sin. Not only did he still have his level 20 quests but he was asking for help with them...he did not know if he could solo Char. 0.o

Ya, new people really, really need to stay away from power leveling so that they can learn the game and their character's abilities.

I don't begrudge people for choosing to take advantage of the opportunities presented to them, rather, it is a matter of some people making unfortunate choices coupled with bad game design.

I also wholeheartedly agree that hypers, oracles, and opportunistic instances have really hurt the game and its community. The game was never more fun than back in 2008 when the map was filled with players all questing, making random squads, farming, ks'ing, and engaged in random pvp at all levels. Oh well, those days are over

I know this will be just pointless repetition for those few who actually bother reading my posts, but the best time to play any F2P MMO is early in it's late OBT/early RC phase, when content is at it's highest concentration as far as development/balancing is concerned, and so is a very broad attention to detail. Once they have the infrastructure in place they just start pumping out cash shop **** and especially in the PW case where they evidently lost their original developers, it's just a matter of trying to profit as much as one can with whatever a crappy product they have.

I generally don't begrudge new players who get powerleveled (hell, they're my profit too!), however, I can certainly share the frustrations others have, and the blame rightfully is on PW for allowing this sort of content circumvention to occur.

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1) There are no new players

Quite wrong there. I run into new players almost everyday and have got quite a few in my faction.

Dear OP,

Join the club.

I understand your frustration, because sometimes I feel it, too, but I'd be a hypocrite if I complained about power-leveling; I used oracles for my alt. But to complain about power-levelers and state over-proudly such things like, "I didn't even use oracles...I just did quests...I'm better because of it...etc" just makes people sound like jerks. It makes people sound like some snobby little hipster talking about music; "I've listened to this band when they were still underground...I didn't jump on the band-wagon...etc".

While jumping up a few levels is lovely, I also think people need to take the time to read their skills and learn what they do and when/when not to use them. Example: I was in a BH squad with another veno who kept using Amplify Damage immediately after I did or Purging right after I did. When I explained to her that doing that doesn't help, it just overwrites my curse and messes up squad efficiency, she then says "Okay...I will use Soul Degeneration after your Amp". It was quite a sad situation.

Most of all, just do your own thing and have fun. Most frustration stems from jealousy anyway.

whats with all the hate towards power lvlers? i love them they give me moneh!!! 4mil an hour.... how can you hate them

QQmoarpls

It's not like you have to team with them.

Reshanta - Sanctuary wrote: »

Because you are indirectly(meaning it's not 100% your fault) breeding high level noobs into nirvana and TW.

Opposed to what, the high lvl noobs before powerleveing became prominentl? Big deal.

There's plenty of logical outrage to be made toward plvling but it has nothing to do with noobs. It has to do with the fact that it's pointless playing a game for very long when you are essentially beckoned to skip most of the content the game has to offer.

I don't gripe about power levellers, but I do agree it is a sad thing to see so many. I, for one, enjoy playing the game the way it was meant to be played. I have loads of alts but they all do their quests to level. Because of the lack of people these days, most of the alts don't get BHs anymore, so it is back to how my main levelled before BHs were in the game: grinding, questing, Wanteds if I have them, CS if below level 81, world quest if I am playing on my other account rather than catshopping. The only alt I have that is levelling quickly is one on another account, because my main can run her through BHs every day. I didn't make her all that long ago and she is 71 already... if that is "slow" for people, I find that very sad.

Mostly, it disappoints me when I do join BHs and every time now, they are fail squads due to somebody not knowing their class. Clerics that don't know about purify drove my barb out of doing BH69. On one run, a level 89 cleric asked if she should BB at Pole. I probably should have quit the squad right then. And it was also sad recently when a friend of mine (who spends his days hypering FF) asked how to get into OHT. He is 95. To just skip every quest.... what is the game even about to those people? FF to 100 and then what? I play alts because of the lack of endgame content. What do all these people want?

I honestly believe there should be a level minimum on FF of 75, when you get the quests. Hyper to 100 after that all you want, but at least most people would have learned their classes better, and have done more BHs to learn squad dynamics.

I am one of those weirdos who like to read the text on quests. When I joined PW I read like 10 levels worth of quests and stopped. Seriously, the quests in this game suck. I've never seen a game with quests as lame as PW's, from the perspective of someone who enjoys reading quests and flavor text.

Anyone else notice the wall-o-texters are all from PvE servers? Just sayin..

Power leveling is good, why on earth I would want to do all quests I did on my 1st character (<

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the quests are too damn boring, kill a certain amount of mobs, report, go find another npc,

then find something else, then kill again mobs, it`s too repetitive. I would never go through

all that tiresome activity ever again, but I hate people who power level who just started

playing, have seen many power leveled noobs who don`t even know the squad basics,

example, in FCC Seeker gathers all mobs, runs into bb, cleric dies. You cannot avoid these

people, but if you ever encounter some of them just write their names down or BL to never

squad with them again.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Power leveling is good! Why on earth I would want to do all quests I did on my 1st character (<

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this 1)? The quests are too damn boring, kill a certain amount of mobs, report, go find another npc, then find something else, then kill again mobs, it`s too repetitive. I would never go through all that tiresome activity ever again, but I hate people who power level who just started playing, have seen many power leveled noobs who don`t even know the squad basics. For example, in FCC Seeker gathers all mobs, runs into bb, cleric dies. You cannot avoid these people, but if you ever encounter some of them just write their names down or BL to never squad with them again.

Holy double-space'ed-ness, it hurts the eyes! b:cry

*fixes*

Seriously...please avoid doing this.... makes every line seem like a new phrase, when it really isn't.b:shutup

And in response to your spiel about how you wouldn't want to do those quests a second time...think of all of those who joined long before Tideborn... they did those quests many, many times if they wanted to level more than one character. Just saying...

Tiduswarrior - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Know what i hate the most when it comes to this issue of power lvlers? I think its an open and shut case. You power lvl between lvl 80-100... Anything and or anyone below that lvl shouldnt be in FC at all, otherwise you're going to be telling beginners that they should P-lvl only to get to the top in a few days or less.

Whatever happened to the high lvls helping the low lvls? Did they just suddenly become selfish about their own quests and stuff, or did they just not want to do the low lvl quests because of how boring they are? Who cares if it's boring doing the same quests with each class, you learn each class and its skills as you lvl. All ppl care about now is getting money so they can get the best gear and do every instance in a snap. If you high lvl players want to do plvling services, do it (or make it) when the lower lvls are at the required lvl for them to do the runs, not when they are just starting out so that they make a mess of their class and do not know the basics of squad protocol.

Take for example: If you have a cleric, two sins, a bm, a tank and either a wizard, archer, seeker, mystic or veno, the cleric always heals the squad, the tank agros the bosses and holds them there, and the sins control their high crit dmg or they'll take agro from the tank. The same goes for wizards and archers. Seekers and mystics debuff the boss and the mystic buffs the cleric and possibly the tank with auto rez.

Another example: You wine the BH instance and you come to two mobs in the path soon after you start. If you can get past them that's fine. However, if they are close together, one sin takes the left the other sin takes the right; the bm then stuns both if he/she can. The tank will probably take one or the other, or even both. The cleric heals whoever needs it, and the rest of the squad follows to kill the two mobs.

The thing is, know your classes limits and abilities. P-lvling only makes people think they can do everything on their own without knowing their limits and abilities. My advice is to do P-lvling services at high lvls, not for the beginners and low lvls. High lvls can afford it better than low lvls, unless they have a high lvl class already. P-lvling brings out the worst in a class that someone may not know anything about, regardless of the info they get from other players.

So guys, just plain shut up and go back to the drawing board. P-lvling shouldn't have come into PWI's existence anyway, so quit complaining and telling people that they are stupid or brainless about the flaws with power lvling. It has caused more problems from the beginning than anything, and I'd like to say that I agree with those that say that P-lvling has caused a problem with running BHs. Most people are more interested in fast lvling than lvling the right way, which is doing daily quests. That's how you can make better friends than those that are such snobs for fast lvling to the top within a couple of days.

For those that read this thank you. Those that will complain bout this post, I'll tell you this. SHUT UP AND GO TAKE A HIKE!!

Sorry, not going to make this a habit, but that wall of text was painful for me to read. I figured this way more people would read this.

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@OP:

My first toon was cleric, did all his quests, yes I did FF from 85 to 100, why? because it is tedious that you can't actually find a frigging squad to do your normal quests, yes I have friends that helped me complete them so don't go all "you are not a solo class".

I actually enjoyed doing all those Frosts why? because I went with my friends the ones that leveled with me all the way to 100 ^ -^.

Now, don't rage at the people who buy heads or plvl, because this existed even before, with oracles, anyone? - yes they were hated too, but who cares.

Anyway, why people rush to 100? - low level can be fun for a while, but once you need 2389479834783974723947 exp for 1% (note the exageration here...) it gets tedious and you end with no quests to do and the only resource to level up is:

a) Grinding the hell outa the day - which may end on you getting broke because mobs don't really give you that much of a profit to make it reliable... (which I do not have time for)

b) Oracles (Which is very expensive)

c) Frost runs (which can get tedious but if done with fun people it can be enjoyed)

d) Power level (which can be expensive)

e) BH/WQ/Crazy Stone (which is hell expensive and end up drolling on your keyboard from the waiting - specially the crazy stone...)

f) Power level with BH 100s Brain Orbs - which give you around 660k EXP per orb - just in case you didn't know that. This is one good way to level up your alts if you have them in the same account, to which if you want this method YOU NEED to buy an account stash which comes from gold which comes from real money$. / I have leveled my Veno with this method to 79, and I can say I can solo my FBs, quests, and pretty much any instance ;] fail? - call fail a veno who has leveled the old way and doesn't know what pulling means - kty.

Those are your options people that have done all that before will NOT want to do everything ALL OVER AGAIN, like me.

I don't power level my alts, but I would if I could afford it - well I can since I do nirvana a lot, but gear is also expensive if you want even to be taken into account and not be in a fail faction with fail people that do fail things such as - lets take 2 squads to fight in TW with 3* gear - yay! -... IJS.

Like seriously ^^ not pointing fingers or w/e so don't rage, if you want to stay on the back and heal all the time, do it, you can take my spot any time as healer in BHs 100 - if you even survive 1 hit... :] get me now? ^^ thats why people charge, thats why people plvl, thats why people rush.

In the end, the endgame level as of now is 105, but later they may raise the level cap to 150, which is the known max level in other versions. There will be people who will rush to 150 (as if it could be done lol... like if 105 takes forever to do 150 would be 50 years without rest of leveling xD) but theres things for everyone, there's people who "enjoy" standing and chatting with friends, there's people that leech from others, there's people that don't know what they're doing, there's people that don't know their jobs even if they did their quests, and some others that are great at their job and power leveled all the way to 105. So, don't say they / we don't know the game because I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of 100s that know the game better than you ^^ ~

In my time playing this game since the opening of the official version I can say the journey has definitely been a lot more fun than reaching the destination.


All those hours grinding in party were a lot more fun than any frost party I did on my alts.