I'm being told that....
Octarius - Raging Tide
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Barbarians are not needed anymore. People see me playing my barb whome I enjoy playing very much as my gf is a cleric alt with me but they stop by me and say "I hope you know at higher levels you are not needed any longer." or "FC squads don't need barbs anymore to run it so you might want to play something else.". You think maybe that's the cause of the barb decrease in pwi. Because I'll tell you this I love to tank. I don't care about damage I have my sin for that.
I've always played a healer or tank. Mostly a tank but I'm really getting sick of all the people telling me to reroll a BM whome I find to be extremely boring >< or a seeker. Well I'm in my lower 50's on my alt and I'm not turning back now. I just wanted to know if any of you have heard people say this to you or not. Because fc squads 80+ really struggle in finding a barb to run with them. I've only gone a few times on my sin without a barb and it was really slow. The pulls weren't as big and I kept thinking I can't wait to have my barb leveled to fc status. I've already got gear standing by for 70 and 70+. Tell me. Am I waisting my time? b:surrender
I've always played a healer or tank. Mostly a tank but I'm really getting sick of all the people telling me to reroll a BM whome I find to be extremely boring >< or a seeker. Well I'm in my lower 50's on my alt and I'm not turning back now. I just wanted to know if any of you have heard people say this to you or not. Because fc squads 80+ really struggle in finding a barb to run with them. I've only gone a few times on my sin without a barb and it was really slow. The pulls weren't as big and I kept thinking I can't wait to have my barb leveled to fc status. I've already got gear standing by for 70 and 70+. Tell me. Am I waisting my time? b:surrender
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No, I haven't heard of anyone saying barbs are not needed.
While it's true that FCC past lvl 80ish can be run without a barb, as a cleric I have to say it's much easier with a barb. Mostly because the squads I run with rarely have a veno, and when the BM/Seeker pull the big room I end up taking all of the aggro (unless they're smart enough to aoe before running into the bubble).
I wouldn't say barbs aren't needed, though I don't know any barbs that run Nirvana. However, in FCC barbs are preferred over tanking BM's and seekers.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
No way man.
barbs are totally kickass in the endgame aswell.
just ignore the IGNORANTS in the game.
Barbs are usefull in endgame instances anywayz.
E.G Gamma, Delta, Warsong
after all you play this game for your fun not for theirs.
some people are so fraking shortsighted, makes me wanna slap them >.<
I dun see any class giving ya a barb buff , I dun see other classes who can ARMA FTW
I can appreciate all other classes, coz I love the diverse squad dynam,ics you can create with it .
So let them 5 APS to boredom .
truth is , most of my friends who are BM or sins AND level 100+ are NOT 5 APS.
And yea we have tons of fun
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*coughwizcough*Scuzeme - Dreamweaver wrote: »I dun see other classes who can ARMA FTW[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ARma is Phy damage, wizzies is mag damage , right?0
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No way. Demon barb here and I never have a hard time finding a squad. Did an fc on my sin w a seeker and it took forever. Don't get me wrong, they're good toons just not my cup of tea. The people I fc run with, it's a legit RUN lol. We fly through it cause I can do bigger pulls and thereby getting it done faster with less chance for death. Just remember to NOT use alacrity on the slash boss. Wrong timing and it goes off early.0
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That's why it was going off yesterday. Barb kept saying "Wth!". Never said why. I play my barb because I like tanking. Play my sin because I like killing things. Works out perfectly in the end.0
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You obviously have a sin, that much i can see, which, im sorry to tell you but, they just happen to be great at farming. so therefor you should not find it difficult at all to have the best gear you possibly can on your barb, As long as you've got decent gear, your rocking. I love my barb, i Honestly can't play anything else. the way i like to play, nothing else will survive my BM dies after killing 2 mobs back to back, my Sin doesn't survive that long either, Maybe im playing them wrong, but, seriously, barbs, there fluffy, and who doesn't love fluffy?0
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I recently made a barb alt. I love it lol. Made it because my archer is forced to tank so much and I found that my playstyle of never getting hit evolved into a sort of enjoyment for tanking. Yes, nabs will tell you barbs are useless. Its the same people that say go full aps, roll a sin, sage sucks demon ftw. I got told to quit my archer and go roll a demon sin up until about 80. Know what? Im sage and I win at TW. Know what my barb will be? Pure axe Sage and he will win at tanking.
And barbs are definitely still needed at end game. TT, Delta, Nirvy if theres no capable BM/sin tank, Warsong, Delta, their buffs are amazing, TT, Delta, omg lols 25k+ hp
, and can I say delta again? and TT? xD
Also @Scuzeme: Wizzy BT is half physical/half mag. Wizzys can also tank at endgame (better defenses than all LA/AAs due to stone barrier they just have trouble keeping aggro due to a caster aggro mechanic). Wizards hit hard like arma so thats probably what Oontz was referring to (When is the last time you hit for 200k+?).Ring Engraving/Amulet Carving Guide - pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1174451
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uhm, I have a barb and it is the only class I play. My barb is my first and last character and I enjoy it very much. You can also consider going claw barb, which makes it way more fun and if you have the refines you can be claw AND tank for needed actions, (PK, RB, FCC, etcetc) but still be 5.0 to farm for your gears and not charge for it and still have fun watching the damage you put. b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Unfortunately barbs are mostly obsolete but they still serve their purpose.
Seekers today replace barbs as pullers in FF, and in some cases now RB.
Obviously sins and BM's replace barbs as tanks and have been for 1.5 yrs with the aps craze.
Nonetheless, barbs still have tanking capabilities, however limited, but having a correct understanding of the uses of barbs nowadays is going to not have you wind up disappointed come end-game with unrealistic expectations. People I do FF's with on my mystic/2nd bm/2nd veno/psy are simply not used to barbs pulling anymore, which is why when my wife comes on her barb or a few (female barb) friends come on their barbs seekers tend to pull in front being used to both fail barbs and not having a barb in the squad.
More often than not decent barbs are (rightfully) picky about what squads they go with so the expectations is for FF and other squads is not to have a barb and in many cases cleric as well.0 -
make a R9 barb +10 go to fc, tt, nirvana and any instance they will solo it and make your sin pretty useless... they will keep aggro and not to mention TW... I know some people make sins to farm gear for other toons... But barbs are awesome they have the best HP and the arma that deals damage based on your life is completly awesome-....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Make the class wanted.0
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No, you're not wasting your time. People always need barbs, be it for buffs and devour only. Personally, no matter what class I play, I always end up with my barb. The only class I enjoy almost as much is BM, but yet I miss the HP and survivability. I you have fun playing it, stick with it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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There is no class you can play that mimics the feeling of invulnerability you get as a barb. Just make sure to join a faction that is not filled with lvl 100+ people; you will be needed all the time. Don't rush to 100 either, make sure you've accumulated enough cash for good gear first (either APS or some nice tanking gear for TW/Delta/whatever) so you'll still be wanted like you were the earlier levels.
I think the best way to have fun as a barb is to not join factions filled with high level / rich people. They don't need you, others do. Feeling needed is awesome b:laugh0 -
Octarius - Raging Tide wrote: »People see me playing my barb whome I enjoy playing very much....
Fuzzy pretty much quit reading at this point since if you enjoy it, what else matters? b:scorn0 -
Fuzzy pretty much quit reading at this point since if you enjoy it, what else matters? b:scorn
He's afraid that at later levels he won't enjoy it anymore, because nobody wants him in their squad.
As an aside, as long as you keep playing with your gf that's a cleric, you will be able to duo everything you come across. Even though it might take a little longer, it is still nice to have a guarantee you will be able to finish your quests
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just got to 101 and cant wait to start get rank9 gear sets sure aps still pawn but if u can aford r9 and u still are vit build it sure will feel niceb:pleased.
stuff to remember sure some ppl say r9 cost but so does aps hell i think r9 is the cheaper versionb:pleased0 -
Fuzzy pretty much quit reading at this point since if you enjoy it, what else matters? b:scorn
Yup. If you enjoy playing a toon, keep playing it. If you don't like it, whatever the reason, re-roll. I personally love my barb, and for different reasons, my archer. Either way, I'm super happy with those toons and they're fun to play.
As for necessary: It's the person that makes the toon necessary, not just the toon itself. There have been times when a squad will forsake a DD just for sage devouring. And there's times when a cleric just wants to have a barb around, for those fuzzy cuddles, and the meat shield effect. Either way, I still get called to help those that "solo" 3-2 and 3-3. Could it be for buffs? or could it be that after GBA Boss one-shots them, they need a toon inside that stays alive? Hmmmmm....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I had a situation last night that made me question the full usefulness of barbs, as far as being a tank is concerned. One of my faction mates asked for a cleric and barb to help with his fb59. I was already multi-clienting as those classes so I offered to help. Here I am thinking how great it will be to finally tank in a mid level fb for once... until I saw who else was on the team. We had a level 100 archer. I figured "Great, we could use some huge DD here". But instead, he insisted on tanking.
O.o
I had almost twice the hp and possibly much more defense than the archer, yet HE was going to tank. Then why the heck was my barb even there?? ....hp and damage buffs. I did stay after all ONLY to help my faction mate and we did get through it. As long as the team don't do anything stupid (and they didn't), my cleric rules in the healing department, even with an archer doing what the barb is supposed to do.
Yes, I'll still keep playing my barb. I'm sure there will be other chances for me to tank in an fb one of these days..... I hope.Somewhat retired from PWI, now playing Hellgate Global full time0 -
Tygurr - Sanctuary wrote: »I had a situation last night that made me question the full usefulness of barbs, as far as being a tank is concerned. One of my faction mates asked for a cleric and barb to help with his fb59. I was already multi-clienting as those classes so I offered to help. Here I am thinking how great it will be to finally tank in a mid level fb for once... until I saw who else was on the team. We had a level 100 archer. I figured "Great, we could use some huge DD here". But instead, he insisted on tanking.
O.o
I had almost twice the hp and possibly much more defense than the archer, yet HE was going to tank. Then why the heck was my barb even there?? ....hp and damage buffs. I did stay after all ONLY to help my faction mate and we did get through it. As long as the team don't do anything stupid (and they didn't), my cleric rules in the healing department, even with an archer doing what the barb is supposed to do.
Yes, I'll still keep playing my barb. I'm sure there will be other chances for me to tank in an fb one of these days..... I hope.
To put it the other way, I did an fb59 with my 7x Sin and tanked because the 101 sage barb couldn't keep aggro off me. My choice was either damage modify or tank, just as the archer in your fb was. Since tanking was no problem I figured it was faster.
Here's the thing. Your hp buff helped him tank. Your titans helped him dd and made things die quicker AND helped him pull aggro. If he had paint then it would have also helped him heal himself while tanking. Also, devouring means a bloodpainted tank gets more heals back. So you weren't the tank but you helped tanking.
That's why claw barbs are becoming more popular, because the aggro skills are not a match for the damage that gets aggro. It's much easier to tank with damage, usually more reliable to predict who will have aggro, and things die quicker since other DDs don't need to watch their damage output.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Dev actually only need to increase threat modifier of barb skills.
But those aps can heal them self while tanking anyway... b:shutup[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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na if i where u i would leave or dd its like this if they wana tank let them if they do tank great if they die let all die but urself and blame it on the dd while u stay alibe.
tho i wonder is ur 101 barb r9 cos since i goten the r9 ring and boot i seen some major incrise in crith rate and raw damage from my r8 hammer.
let dd tank as fleash rema isnt any good and well if the dd die let all die and blame on dd
that would actually we funb:pleased.0 -
XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »for those fuzzy cuddles,
b:chuckle D'awww.
Barbs don't usually cuddle with guy clerics, though... b:sad[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
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" < Liba - Heaven's Tear
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At least no one so far has told you to go by a standard ive gotten yelled at by a few players on forums for my idea of a DD barb[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]" You are intitled to your own opinion, but unless you have enough evidence to that opinion it can never be truth" ---Quote from my brain b:angry0
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Tygurr - Sanctuary wrote: »I had a situation last night that made me question the full usefulness of barbs, as far as being a tank is concerned. One of my faction mates asked for a cleric and barb to help with his fb59. I was already multi-clienting as those classes so I offered to help. Here I am thinking how great it will be to finally tank in a mid level fb for once... until I saw who else was on the team. We had a level 100 archer. I figured "Great, we could use some huge DD here". But instead, he insisted on tanking.
O.o
I had almost twice the hp and possibly much more defense than the archer, yet HE was going to tank. Then why the heck was my barb even there?? ....hp and damage buffs. I did stay after all ONLY to help my faction mate and we did get through it. As long as the team don't do anything stupid (and they didn't), my cleric rules in the healing department, even with an archer doing what the barb is supposed to do.
Yes, I'll still keep playing my barb. I'm sure there will be other chances for me to tank in an fb one of these days..... I hope.
FB 59 has magic bosses. A 101archer probably has 4x the amount of mdef that you do. Further, the archer probably would have taken aggro from you no matter what you did to tank. TBH I've seen 7x and 8x clerics tank 59 very very well due to their mdef. As barbs at the 6x-8x levels we run into some severe mdef-deficiency problems with all but the last boss.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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