After 60's (lvls)

This is generally how they're used in the instances you pointed out:

- Seekers in FF are pullers+DD or just a DD. Their primary use is vortex for AOE, which severely takes the stress off from any bm/wiz/archer/psy, and enables them to do large pulls taking little damage when hitting targets and having sin's bloodpaint buff. As far as zhenning goes with BP they can easily be a one-man show. There are no casual zhen squads anymore.

- Sins are single target DD's which are primarily known for soloing FF or BH or certain TT's. They have heavy single target DPS but are amongst the worst classes for AOE's.

After lvl 60 people do more FF, BH, TT, and other instances later on. Mainly, FF is the instance most people do.

kububububu wrote: »

"Psychic is useless after 90lvl"

lolz. nice opinion. I just go through Rb holding all the aggro, one shotting all the FF mobs, clearing out warsong. yeah were useless.

kububububu wrote: »

That thing about psych was not my opinion. I just heard something like this.
So how will barb do on high lvls?
Is Sin/seeker better or something?

How doeas it look for frost and wars later ; d

Careful listening too closely to random opinions.
(I won't comment on the psys being useless thing other than to say: look at my avatar.) b:chuckle

Here's my random opinion:

How a barb will do at high levels depends greatly on build and gear. It will be easy to level and find squads for BH and FC, everyone will love your buffs and ability to pull/tank and survive...... until 100, when if you restat to a fist-bm build and get highly refined claws and aps gear you will still be just as wanted (except in territory war.....). VIT build barbs at 100+ become squad buffers and Delta pullers primarily, unless you have highly refined gear and high level shards (read: cash shop or farm/merchant like crazy) in which case you will also be able to pull catapults in territory wars.

Sins are overpopulated, for a reason. They are the absolute fastest single target killers in PvE, taking down bosses in insanely fast times with high attack rates and crits. They only come into their real power in the 90+ levels with demon spark and -interval gears. It can be hard to find squads to level between 70-90 because of overpopulation and their tendency to steal aggro but inability to survive well (light armor just sucks for tanking until endgame). After 90 you can basically solo FC if you want. Sins are also great in 1v1 PvP, but much less wanted in territory war; due to lack of aoes and relative squishiness their job is usually limited to stealth killing clerics.

Seekers have yet to come into their own, but are getting more recognition. They are often called to pull in FC because of a lack of barbs, with heavy armor and their +30 def lvl self buff they are very good pullers, the only drawbacks are less sprints and control skills than a BM and no real aggro skills other than their main aoe (which is the highest DPS aoe in the game). In any aoe situation seekers really shine, against single bosses (where most endgame farming happens) their DPS is only good if the bosses don't interrupt often and vortex can be maintained. They do function well to increase the damage of non-aps DDs, with their magic and skill specific debuffs, and squads as a whole with their def lvl debuff. In territory war they can work well as a ranged physical/magical DD, like a wiz/archer in some ways, they also have the ability to destroy whole squads with their insta-cast self buff followed by a succession of aoes.

Zarni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Careful listening to closely to random opinions.
(I won't comment on the psys being useless thing other than to say: look at my avatar.) b:chuckle

Here's my random opinion:

How a barb will do at high levels depends greatly on build and gear. It will be easy to level and find squads for BH and FC, everyone will love your buffs and ability to pull/tank and survive...... until 100, when if you restat to a fist-bm build and get highly refined claws and aps gear you will still be just as wanted (except in territory war.....). VIT build barbs at 100+ become squad buffers and Delta pullers primarily, unless you have highly refined gear and high level shards (read: cash shop or farm/merchant like crazy) in which case you will also be able to pull catapults in territory wars.

Sins are overpopulated, for a reason. They are the absolute fastest single target killers in PvE, taking down bosses in insanely fast times with high attack rates and crits. They only come into their real power in the 90+ levels with demon spark and -interval gears. It can be hard to find squads to level between 70-90 because of overpopulation and their tendency to steal aggro but inability to survive well (light armor just sucks for tanking until endgame). After 90 you can basically solo FC if you want. Sins are also great in 1v1 PvP, but much less wanted in territory war; due to lack of aoes and relative squishiness their job is usually limited to stealth killing clerics.

Seekers have yet to come into their own, but are getting more recognition. They are often called to pull in FC because of a lack of barbs, with heavy armor and their +30 def lvl self buff they are very good pullers, the only drawbacks are less sprints and control skills than a BM and no real aggro skills other than their main aoe (which is the highest DPS aoe in the game). In any aoe situation seekers really shine, against single bosses (where most endgame farming happens) their DPS is only good if the bosses don't interrupt often and vortex can be maintained. They do function well to increase the damage of non-aps DDs, with their magic and skill specific debuffs, and squads as a whole with their def lvl debuff. In territory war they can work well as a ranged physical/magical DD, like a wiz/archer in some ways, they also have the ability to destroy whole squads with their insta-cast self buff followed by a succession of aoes.

What she said about the sins lol... I have been 80 for almost 3 days... which for me is unheard of. Bh squads nonexistant... At lvl 80 I have 3 interval pieces with more hp than most sins at 90 (most sins I have seen have hp around 3500-3800 I have hp at 4150+ unbuffed) and +5 daggers.... Still no invites.... Back to oracle and hypering I will gob:surrender


What my sin looks like now

http://pwcalc.com/fd57f2cc90028544

kububububu wrote: »

barb is still a barb until he has to restat for fists - that's a bit wired... isn't it better to make a bm then?

After a barb restats to fists, he only loses a bit of HP, you always keep enough STR to use the latest Axe / Hammer. This pretty much means you are still a regular barb, but you have the option of switching to fast killing mode for bosses. Barb and BM fist damage doesn't really differ a whole lot, so you shouldn't base the choice of your class purely on that. BMs have a lot of neat skills, but so do Barbs. They're still just as different when a barb has the possibility to wear fists.

The only difference between a vit barb and a fist barb is some HP in return for which you get a 'fast boss kill mode'. You can easily make up for the difference in HP with more expensive gear that your faster boss killing allows you to purchase. People criticizing fist barbs somehow seem to think they lose the ability to use their regular weapons and skills if they so choose. I switched to fists at lvl 90 ( a bit early I know) and have yet to see any place I needed the extra HP that I lost.

Endgame psys are pretty feared. For tw, the most wanted dps is psy, wiz, and ea. Psy and wiz are nothing alike other than ranged casters. My Psy has 115 attack levels with jones blessing and up to almost 100 def lvls if I use white voodoo (no jades yet). I one to two shot most mobs. Need to +12 my wep tho so I get crazy soulforce too.

Oh and seekers can have 100 attack and defense levels at the SAME time with r9. They can stun from range, transfer debuffs to opponent, disarm an opponent, etc. They cannot be aps noobs, but are pretty awesome IMO.