How a game dies?

Don't forget the number one way a F2P game developer can ruin a game and create a "beginning of the end" scenario.........

Selling power.

When you sell power, you alienate all those who cannot afford such things and, therefore, lose some word of mouth by the non-cash players who made this game so big to begin with.

True, the cashers do keep the game going via money for the developers BUT it is the non cash people who bring in 87 - 93% of the new players who may, one day, be cashers as well unless they are frustrated by a somewhat unfair and almost corrupt tilt to those who can afford to CS highly.

I love the game even though I am a relative noob (joined in Nov/Dec last year), even I have noticed a downward turn in the game and the gaming economy and fear there may be no turning back now.

For me at least, I am hearing a death rattle and I find myself logging on less and counting days for other releases from other companies.

Nothing is perfect... but it seems they do not even bother to try aiming that high here.

R9 anyone ?

People farming the hell out of instances (like tt for instance) isn't a bad thing. The lowering of the prices makes it much more affordable for newer players with crappy gear to afford those things.

And there are other ways to make money. CSing is the best/easiest of course, but there's also merchenting for those willing to learn the market, herb farming, mat farming (for crafting skills), and gambling with packs.

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Seriously aren't you people tired of complaining ? If you're not happy with stuff, then do something to improve, I don't know, give ideas instead of just sitting here and whine.

If ya haven't noticed a lot of us do, there's only a few (minor) things of the thousand good ones suggested, big and small, I've seen implemented.

WizardCraft - Harshlands wrote: »

Ever notice how majority of those who thinks the game is dead are PvE carebears?

game is dead, in both pve and pvp (here a sin, there a sin, everywhere a sin sin)

there now you have another pvp server person.

The statistics that 87-93% of players are brought into the game by F2P players is nonsense and with no actual fact.

Here IS a fact, at least half of the people who put money into the game claim they don't meaning you will never know who is really a F2P player which I can promise that you won't find that many.

Here is another fact, not ever person who puts money into the game is a child or a rich person, one example would be someone I know in a wheelchair as they have been all their life. They can't live their life so they play games, is that so wrong. Another is blind in one eye and half in another. Another person who died a couple years ago had a heart condition which prevented him from doing anything active (could you imagine not being able to have sex?) so he played PWI and WoW. I know a handful of people play this game as a hobby and choose to have fun with the game by putting a bit of money into it unlike another who I know who literally will take a mirage stone the cleric who ressurects him in the instance happens to get and complains about every coin and every teleportation cost.

Finally, fact: a game dies when the game isn't interesting enough to put money into therefor the company goes under if they don't start charging a monthly fee which doesn't work since people didn't like it to begin with.

This game is going and people still put money in therefor the game will never die. A fail playing walks in, pays the game 1000 dollars to max level, he has his "lulz" and leaves after 6-12 months and never returns... just like the circle of life.

Lastly, why don't all you whiners go play that magical perfect game where the company is free and gives you handouts without charging a single penny. It doesn't exist so you flame the forums. It's not like I haven't had my issues with this company in particular but take it from someone who has been around; there isn't a free game that is better. Prove me wrong.

Honestly in the 2.5 years I have played this game I have put 700$ into the game and have never been top of the line or elite, it used to sicken me with how much money I put into the game. But take a game, FF7 for instance. When it came out in 1998 for the pc i payed 45$ for it, I have put about 400 hours into that game total my entire life. How many hours have I put into this game in 2.5 years? Lets say 700$ is well worth the fun and enjoyment. Plus, how can I feel ill when I know many people on my server "coughwontmentionnamescough" who have put 5k+ into the game.

Another fun fact: half of the people who have rank 9 and claim they earned it the hard way are not F2P players, even if they did earn rank 9 specifically through merchanting.

sick of ppl posting the game is dieing, and yet we have 2 more servers that are going to be fill with players. seriously there have been thousands of ppl predicting that pw is dieing, and yet its pretty much alive. if u find urself unhappy, go outside with friends, take a walk in the park, go to a bar, go to a cinema, do something different. just dont play so much. dont quit, play less. playing all day is harmfull for ur health anyway. that goes for alcohol, food and drugs. and yet paying for hobby is not so bad, u have to understand that. if u r used to download pirated offline games, thats a different song. they also cost money which u didnt pay.

SyanaSky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Those 2 new servers does not equate to the current state of the game..

what does lunching 2 more servers mean then? (it has to mean something)

SyanaSky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Simply for those who prefer to play in a server of their region..

I been around for 1yr and 2 months and I can tell the difference between now and 1yr ago, as with everyone else, especially those that have been around longer.


The game is going on a slow death.

so if u been long enough u must have seen same post then, and even earlier.. i have seen them for years. u sayd it urself - ppl deciede to use region server so they are willing to start fresh from lvl 1.. so ppl think it is worth it and for them the game is alive. and it will be for few more years. some quit, new ppl come.. i have seen it alot and i mean ALOT

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uhm you guys are misunderstanding as usual lol I never said THIS game is dying,I just write how a game dies.

Basically(If you didn't get it),I wrote that a game which doesn't gets any new content(Instances/Gear/Classes/etc),will die.How many of you are tired to do the same things day after day?,its the *new* stuff that keep a game alive.
This unless(Off course),the new players(Which have never played this game),influx is greater that the existing players's depart.

And for your Info I think that PvP's dead come from PvE's economy **** up.
If new players can't farm anything(See the games were farming instances are open and not closed,and there is open PK inside),they can't get new stuff and simply are left apart from the real PvP.

u r not right about that and i can prove it to u just pm me, coz mods will delete my posts. actualy if the comunity is strong game dies hard. no matter that there are no updates.

Ive spent money on the game, but not anymore. After reaching 100 and getting decent gear I looked around and realized, there's no reason for it.

The gear I have permits me to have fun when I TW, keeps me alive in the few instances there are for 100+, allows me to grind easily when I need to. Why should I skrimp, save and throw real cash at the game to get R9? It's a real waste of money when I can easily function with what I have.

They've lost the monies I would have spent because they cant keep me interested and challenged. Im trying new games several times a week to find a suitable replacement this one.

As far as this one is concerned, Im done, I won. The only thing left really is to collect a few attribute points and get a few bigger numbers by my name but doing the same few instances for the next 3.5 levels fills me more with dread than expectation.

I like how you people put so much blame in GMs who only have the power to correct tiny little **** player disputes and sticky places that the teleport skill can't fix.

This game DIED to me sometime in May. I forget the exact date.

Game is dead. It IS dead and reduced to nothing but clique facs, clique friends, fake *** people, and FCC HEADS till 100. Good GOD.

Because a lot of people (including me) quit the game because the management sucks and only check the forum to either troll or hoping for a quick u-turn.
Won't happen, but what the hell...

Oh, BTW, the European servers were to get more people from France and Germany to p(l)ay.

you should fly to one of starting places wait there 24hours and count all the new chars coming in dont do plume because of the clerics who fly to arch to be stalls

i did untamed starting place i counted them as i watched tv and played ps3 it came to about 39 chars just that day chars are coming in so much noobie areas to full to even quest in got to wait till late night to not get ksed alot keep on QQing game is dieing its funnyb:laugh