Surviving PVE Without Herc
Drakyra - Dreamweaver
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For any veno who cant afford a hercules pet which is currently 100mil, there is another way.
Once you hit level 80 you can use armored bear(rare pet). bear by itself is ok and can solo TT and other instances. the trick is to put the right skills on bear.
I put these skills on my bear:
Bash (for agro)
Shriek (to interrupt channeling)
Claw (to increase attack)
Strong (to increase defense)
Bash and Shriek are nothing special but Claw and Strong are rare skills that can sometimes be found in cat shops and the auction house. Bear will be much stronger and it may not be as good as herc but it will be more then sufficient to raise 100mil for herc.
Hope this helps. b:bye
Once you hit level 80 you can use armored bear(rare pet). bear by itself is ok and can solo TT and other instances. the trick is to put the right skills on bear.
I put these skills on my bear:
Bash (for agro)
Shriek (to interrupt channeling)
Claw (to increase attack)
Strong (to increase defense)
Bash and Shriek are nothing special but Claw and Strong are rare skills that can sometimes be found in cat shops and the auction house. Bear will be much stronger and it may not be as good as herc but it will be more then sufficient to raise 100mil for herc.
Hope this helps. b:bye
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i highly recommend not doing a pure magic build.[/COLOR] grinding you will steal aggro and get hit and if the mob is phys you will most likely be dead.
actually this is the breaking point between be a pro veno or wishing to be one someday...and a "regular" veno
you need to learn to control your output dmg and use your pet as part of yourself...is better be able to burst and kill something in 3 hits then not be able to heal your pet enough....
but a 50 vitality until you get to 100 or better gears is totally ok....
veno is a very fun and complex character...really not easy but very rewarding once you get the rops
for a veno tw ...well ... another timeb:shutup0 -
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<_< Just to note...you don't exactly need an armored bear (despite the fact it looks epic). A well leveled Glacial Walker is actually better than the armored bear in most stats, according to ecatomb's pet simulator.
Compared the two at level 80 and level 100, both with level 5 claw and strong.
Level 80 Bear vs. Walker
Level 100 Bear vs. Walker
So the bear isn't necessary, but it does look cooler. You're less likely to steal aggro from the walker, though. b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I agree that the Glacial Walker is much better but if one wants the bear, it's their choice.
When it comes to the bears.. I'd personally go for the Shaodu Cub, though because it has higher physical attack at the cost of slower speed (plus it's lvl20 and not 80). They have the same HP and their defences have little difference. The Armored Bear only catches up with the Shaodu Cub after lvl91+.
As for the skills. Adding Shriek is an interesting idea, perhaps that would help with bosses like Wurlord. Though personally I'd recommend Roar instead of Claw (or Shriek). This skill right there is what I'm totally missing from my Hercules. Squad members die and I'm unable to get aggro with the Hercules fast enough. Wth my old Shaodu Cub, however, I could simply use Roar and save the day. One of the many reasons I kept my Shaodu Cub even after acquiring the Hercules (though it's lvl 92..I gotta train it some time).[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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I wouldn't put Claw on a tank pet, especially if you are talk about soloing. If you're going for rare skills, get the defensive buffs. If not, the old combination of Tough/Threaten works wonders. I'm not a huge fan of Roar mainly because I see so many venos using it incorrectly. (Spamming it to keep Aggro.) But, if used correctly, its definitely useful. As for Shriek, I prefer genie skills to pet interrupts. If you had another slot, and if this is a pet you're using to tank with (and spam healing), I'd use pierce to increase your pet's damage. If you aren't spam healing, Howl/Pierce to increase your own damage as well.
As far as what pet you're using, a herc isn't anywhere near as essential as it used to be, so "surviving" pve without one isn't all that difficult. You also need to make the distinction between whether you want to solo the more difficult instances or not. That should have an influence over which pets you get.0 -
Protect?Drakyra - Dreamweaver wrote: »For any veno who cant afford a hercules pet which is currently 100mil, there is another way.
Once you hit level 80 you can use armored bear(rare pet). bear by itself is ok and can solo TT and other instances. the trick is to put the right skills on bear.
I put these skills on my bear:
Bash (for agro)
Shriek (to interrupt channeling)
Claw (to increase attack)
Strong (to increase defense)
Bash and Shriek are nothing special but Claw and Strong are rare skills that can sometimes be found in cat shops and the auction house. Bear will be much stronger and it may not be as good as herc but it will be more then sufficient to raise 100mil for herc.
Hope this helps. b:bye0 -
a bear is better in many way than a GW BUT the bear takes too long to kill the mobs and i steal agro much easier. I would rock the bear if it hit harder and holds agro better. it is a good universal pet to have for thows that can't tell a phys attackin mob from a elemental attackin one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nyxyo - Harshlands wrote: »i highly recommend not doing a pure magic build.[/COLOR] grinding you will steal aggro and get hit and if the mob is phys you will most likely be dead.
actually this is the breaking point between be a pro veno or wishing to be one someday...and a "regular" veno
you need to learn to control your output dmg and use your pet as part of yourself...is better be able to burst and kill something in 3 hits then not be able to heal your pet enough....
but a 50 vitality until you get to 100 or better gears is totally ok....
veno is a very fun and complex character...really not easy but very rewarding once you get the rops
for a veno tw ...well ... another timeb:shutup
Is your veno Lv. 103 or just your Avatar? No mage class should stat vit. It takes a blooming idiot to not learn how to control aggro. -A little beyond that to figure out when the mobs going to be dead before it reaches you. When I'm in a squad with another veno that starts with Lucky Scarab; I send my Herc to another mob and let them have aggro. - Not only does that stun kill reflect aggro: it generates aggro because it's a stun. Saying you need vit is like saying you don't know how to play. Venos have more opportunity to learn how aggro works than any other class.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Is your veno Lv. 103 or just your Avatar? No mage class should stat vit. It takes a blooming idiot to not learn how to control aggro. -A little beyond that to figure out when the mobs going to be dead before it reaches you. When I'm in a squad with another veno that starts with Lucky Scarab; I send my Herc to another mob and let them have aggro. - Not only does that stun kill reflect aggro: it generates aggro because it's a stun. Saying you need vit is like saying you don't know how to play. Venos have more opportunity to learn how aggro works than any other class.
Lol, really? Vit is useful, and I do know how to play. I'll have you know I'm a hybrid vit/mag veno who can take down lvl 100 sins with rank gear and NV. I also mostly survive squad wipes when something goes wrong, or at least survive the longest. b:bye
If you go pure mag, you'll one shot everything, but everything will one shot you if they get the first shot. Some will prefer hybrid, some will prefer pure mag. It depends on your style. Be careful about what you say, you might insult a few ppl. b:shutup0 -
Is your veno Lv. 103 or just your Avatar? No mage class should stat vit. It takes a blooming idiot to not learn how to control aggro. -A little beyond that to figure out when the mobs going to be dead before it reaches you. When I'm in a squad with another veno that starts with Lucky Scarab; I send my Herc to another mob and let them have aggro. - Not only does that stun kill reflect aggro: it generates aggro because it's a stun. Saying you need vit is like saying you don't know how to play. Venos have more opportunity to learn how aggro works than any other class.
There we go again. Ok . While I DO AGREE that pure magic is the best build ofr ALL magic classes, how viable it is when a player is new to the game WITHOUT having spent Real Money or have done YEARS of investments. Vit build can be good and bad. If vit exceeds 60 , yes it gimps ur dmg by a lot. Personally my vit is 40 on veno and 20 on my cleric. And i do great dmg let alone i can steal aggro Whenever i want. So vit build can help at the low lvls where gear sucks and refining or putting shards in it doesnt just worth it. After all with lvling being so ridiculously easy nowdays Investing in gear at the lower lvls is not good. At lvl 90+ restatting to pure is a valid option since gettign the necessary gear fast is easier at that lvl , even more at 100. What u dont understand is that vit doesnt kill a mage , it doesnt unlock his 100% potential by an early stage. Thats why resets are in the game afterall.
As for aggro mechanics , thats sth all classes have opportunities to learn , and i dont think venos have it easier. but thats my opinion.
And for the green part , i wont explain really , cause ull either wont understand or want even care to. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Herc is really only needed 90+(FCC, TT, etc...) For grinding, he's not needed at all.
Oh and if you dont wont to rely on others to get your fbs done.0 -
Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »There we go again. Ok . While I DO AGREE that pure magic is the best build ofr ALL magic classes, how viable it is when a player is new to the game WITHOUT having spent Real Money or have done YEARS of investments. Vit build can be good and bad. If vit exceeds 60 , yes it gimps ur dmg by a lot. Personally my vit is 40 on veno and 20 on my cleric. And i do great dmg let alone i can steal aggro Whenever i want. So vit build can help at the low lvls where gear sucks and refining or putting shards in it doesnt just worth it. After all with lvling being so ridiculously easy nowdays Investing in gear at the lower lvls is not good. At lvl 90+ restatting to pure is a valid option since gettign the necessary gear fast is easier at that lvl , even more at 100. What u dont understand is that vit doesnt kill a mage , it doesnt unlock his 100% potential by an early stage. Thats why resets are in the game afterall.
As for aggro mechanics , thats sth all classes have opportunities to learn , and i dont think venos have it easier. but thats my opinion.
And for the green part , i wont explain really , cause ull either wont understand or want even care to. b:bye
How much experience do you have? By the time you need more pdef; better pdef ornaments are available. While it takes you 3-4 hits to kill mobs; it takes someone else 2-3. -Not only is your max MP and MP recovery gimped: you're wasting time and more MP on your activities. The extra coin you can generate by being pure can get you better equips while you're leveling faster. The longer you take to kill a mob: the more vulnerable you are to other mobs. I saw other venos begging me to heal their pets, being cheap and conserving their MP consumption more; generally being a waste of squad space that acted like their value was in luring. I lol at the vit builds that try to show off by stealing aggro against their own pet on their own mob and die taking *maybe* 1 more hit than a pure mag can in the process. Veno has bramble hood, feral concentration, fox form, range, a meat shield, etc.Investing in gear at the lower lvls is not good.
How low of levels are we talking? The low low levels don't last long enough for sure, but at around 60; unbound equips become an investment that you can resell when done to recoup. They also come pre-refined and sharded for a fraction of what it cost the person to refine/ shard them. One of the best capes in the game is Lv. 45. Warsoul of Heaven is Lv. 70. Eye of the Jungle Belts are Lv. 80. -All decent investments and end game worthy.0 -
I agree that you don't need a herc.
But spending coin on rare skills to make a pet that's like a herc, but not quite as good seems... stupid.
Especially with the "Get a herc/nix" packs driving down the price of a real herc.
So I advise that you use a ranged pet, or a howl-debuff pet or any of the other viable non-tank pets, and just avoid the things that need a better tank than a magmite/walker. (Or wait for one of the evil fishguys to kill it as they slither past)0 -
I think exactly THAT's the problem in pwi today. You just have to play classes with builds that help the squad to get faster exp - you have to have a herc or no squad want to have a veno- like we heard you don't have to make hybrid , if you do that you "don't know how to play"?? I mean hello? xD Sounds more than stupid to me. PWI is a Game (!) you're playing what you want to play and every build has their cons and pros. Pure mag is not better than hybrid and vit. It doesn't make fun to play a game where all people say what you should do when there are so many ways to do it. But that's not related to the thread now.
I think an armoured bear is better than other pets but I think it's often too slow and the attack is too low. Of course you can give him good buffs but I think it doesn't matter if you have an armoured bear, tabby, cub or magmite. BTW tabby can solo TT as well just with higher attack-the same with cub , I guess best tank is magmite but tank pet's are always slow (Idk what's with herc)0 -
Here we go again....Tweakz will always seem to **** people off on the forums. They have good information from time to time but whether that information is helpful depends on your build. Don't get mad just take it w/a grain of salt and move on.
Whether you're pure mage build or hybrid (vit/mage in this case usually AA) if it fits your play style and you're happy with it then grats!!!! If you're LA and you're happy with it congrats...I'm thrilled all of you love your veno whatever build you use.
Personally, I TW on my veno, and run a vit/mage hybrid. However, my job in TW is not a "nuker" it's for purge, bramble, seals etc. My job is to have enough pdef, hp, and mdef to run into a group of chars, set off aoe purge and get out of dodge while the nukers take care of business.
I can still steal aggro off my pets, and off other chars, but that doesn't mean that I do it to prove a point or that I go out of my way to purposefully steal aggro. I prefer my glacial walker as a tank.
I've never asked someone to heal my pets nor will I. If I'm in a squad w/a lower lvl veno and they ask to heal my pet (due to it being higher lvl) so I that I can DD, then fine, I've got the higher grade skills etc, it makes sense. But I will not ask someone, don't need to don't want to.
I get a ton of my vit from my gear stats and one armor piece is sharded for vit, but that's it. I've never cared what other people thought of how I built my veno. I built my veno to suit me, my play style and it works with the type of squad I'm typically in for TW. Say whatever you want about what YOU consider fail. I don't care cause that style doesn't fit me.
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When I didn't have a herc, my tank pet was a Crystalline Magmite. (Walkers didn't exist yet)
My mag had its basic skills not even updated and I tanked everything with that pet, even things it shouldn't have been able to. I remember when I was around 70 or so and the chrono quest first came out. I had the quest to fight Yan the Traitor along with a couple more venos. None of us had a herc (the pet had literally just come out) and there was no tanks around to help us. I pulled out my magmite, sent it after yan and all of us healed it at once while another veno who was grinding in the area would get any other monsters that aggroed us or my mag. If my pet didn't have full hp before every hit, it would go down.
It took some time but my pet managed to solo that overpowered boss. You don't need a herc to do pve, you just need to know how to work the game right.
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Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »When I didn't have a herc, my tank pet was a Crystalline Magmite. (Walkers didn't exist yet)
My mag had its basic skills not even updated and I tanked everything with that pet, even things it shouldn't have been able to. I remember when I was around 70 or so and the chrono quest first came out. I had the quest to fight Yan the Traitor along with a couple more venos. None of us had a herc (the pet had literally just come out) and there was no tanks around to help us. I pulled out my magmite, sent it after yan and all of us healed it at once while another veno who was grinding in the area would get any other monsters that aggroed us or my mag. If my pet didn't have full hp before every hit, it would go down.
It took some time but my pet managed to solo that overpowered boss. You don't need a herc to do pve, you just need to know how to work the game right.
Gotta love the rocks, still the best free pet in the game (glacial and the magmites).0 -
Nine_Lives - Raging Tide wrote: »Gotta love the rocks, still the best free pet in the game (glacial and the magmites).
Pure opinion.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
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Being serious, yes the magmites/walkers are good tank pets. I wouldn't want to be stuck with only that one pet, though.0 -
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