A real game vs. PWI - updates

you do know that crying about it in every post will do just about... ummmmm nothing... go play WOW if you want more more updates or a p2p game... b:bye

yepb:thanks

<certain other guild game not mentioned here>
- Linear leveling curve
- More 'skill based'
- Company cares about their community
- Company IS gamers.
- Currently in beta testing.
When I'm done here I am heading there if not sooner.

Hey that reminds me of another version of PW that was emailing my friend when she 'QUIT' and left she told them back politely that she unfortunately WOULDN'T be coming back cause it took 2 years to get "Samsara" into that piece of garbage.

Funny how I leave one **** pile and the dream is kind-ahhh shattered. Although suppose it could be worse.

Oh wait FACTION BASE WOO! IM EXCITED! WOOO! -- can you hear the irony and cynicism burning?

"Oh we have to wait to hear from China!, Oh we have to wait to hear from China!, Oh we have to wait to hear from China! Oh we have to wait to hear from China!." You ever get sick and tired of hearing that? Its called ACTION and when it happens people are like "Damn your REALLY doing SOMETHIN' its a mir..." but you don't see that here.

Game hasn't gave us any updates since released, that's actually considered content, bugs still here from the games first release, people have got lazier due to power levelling thus the game has got much more boring, certain classes are broken, R9 is over powered and not needed in the game, +12 is over powered and not needed in the game, amongst other bad stuff.

Games doing OK I think...?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

I know there are a lot of people out there who for them PWI is their first real online game. So I would just like to illustrate one of the main differences between games that aren't **** and PWI.



Today's episode - Updates.



The problem with PWI is that there are no real updates. Content updates? HAHAHAHA. Bug fixes? There are bugs that have been in this game for over TWO YEARS now.


These are the most recent patch notes for PWI:





A few text changes. And you know what's really bad? That contains at least 3x as many changes as the average patch for PWI. Throw in the fact that we frequently go 2-3 weeks without an update and it's just hilarious.



These are the patch notes for another game:

Removed - mentioning competing games is not allowed on the forums.



And for this game it's very rare to not have a patch each week.


This is just an example of how badly our developers and GMs just could not give 2 ****s about this game. They don't care. The game is practically unchanged from a year ago. The only real update was the earthgaurd update and for that we got:

2 new classes
Some new map that is literally a copy/paste of existing map
Guild bases without the features they were supposed to come with
You get potions for BH now
And a ton of bugs.

New content is incredibly rare and when it does come out it's mediocre, half assed and you can clearly tell some developer just came up with it because his boss told him to stop watching **** at work. Bug fixes simply do not exist. Unless a bug makes the game literally unplayable it is never fixed and even if it does, it takes insanely long to fix it (see name censoring)[/COLOR]

This is my first real online game, but even though they sometimes do things half assed, I love this game! Lol!! I love the fashion and the fact that fashion and image is important. Judge me if you may. But, in real life I don't have a whole lot of money and fashion. Though in this awesome game, I am rich and have cute clothes. I can be anything I want to be. If I had the same money in real life that I had in this game, I would be the same way. But, in this game I can express my true self easier. It's like being in high school all over again. I have nice gear too and an expencive weapon. My pets are little gods and I can customise them any way I want. I just love this game!! Despite the dramatic people **Cough** "Trolls" at times.

As far as WOW goes, you have to pay for it, buy the expansians at game stop, and fashion I heard isn't important. - I Rather wear cute fash than armor or weird out dated clothes.

Mu Online: Never played it, but there's no Fash and not as much cool stuff as there is on here, from the way my BF describes it.

I can't really judge other games, but all I can tell you is I am sticking with Perfect World even though sometimes I get in a bad mood and say that I'm not! b:cute b:bye

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

The problem with PWI is that there are no real updates. Content updates? HAHAHAHA. Bug fixes? There are bugs that have been in this game for over TWO YEARS now.

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Two years?
Try six years.
You wanna know what's so pathetic with the devs working on this game?

PW was originally released back in 2005 as a p2p game for china.
Sometime later, another version was released as f2p, for china.
That second version got translated and was released in 2007 as pw my-en.
A year later, pwi came out.
There were also other versions released for different parts of the world like taiwan and the phillipines, but I don't know much about them.

In all the years that pw has existed, maybe only 10% that existed since the original p2p pw was released were fixed.
As far as I know, the bugs that exist on the still active p2p pw are the same that we see here.

What's even sadder is that the leaked my-en server files that p. servers have, the people that work on them have fixed more bugs than pw devs have.
Most of the bugs... from what I can tell are easy to fix.

I think there are few reasons to explain this:
Devs don't care
Original devs that worked on p2p pw before they were fired didn't leave a dummies manual for the current devs
Devs are lazy and are only concerned with adding in eyecandy

Juliaasmith - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is my first real online game, but even though they sometimes do things half assed, I love this game! Lol!! I love the fashion and the fact that fashion and image is important. Judge me if you may. But, in real life I don't have a whole lot of money and fashion. Though in this awesome game, I am rich and have cute clothes. I can be anything I want to be. If I had the same money in real life that I had in this game, I would be the same way. But, in this game I can express my true self easier. It's like being in high school all over again. I have nice gear too and an expencive weapon. My pets are little gods and I can customise them any way I want. I just love this game!! Despite the dramatic people **Cough** "Trolls" at times.

As far as WOW goes, you have to pay for it, buy the expansians at game stop, and fashion I heard isn't important. - I Rather wear cute fash than armor or weird out dated clothes.

Mu Online: Never played it, but there's no Fash and not as much cool stuff as there is on here, from the way my BF describes it.

I can't really judge other games, but all I can tell you is I am sticking with Perfect World even though sometimes I get in a bad mood and say that I'm not! b:cute b:bye

I agree with you, and while I still find this game somewhat enjoyable, I've always thought reasonable criticism was applicable. There's no reason to be completely happy with this product, and there's no reason to be posting here if the game sucks the enjoyment out of life for you. The OP's topic is completely necessary for decent purposes.

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Two years?
Try six years.
You wanna know what's so pathetic with the devs working on this game?

PW was originally released back in 2005 as a p2p game for china.
Sometime later, another version was released as f2p, for china.
That second version got translated and was released in 2007 as pw my-en.
A year later, pwi came out.
There were also other versions released for different parts of the world like taiwan and the phillipines, but I don't know much about them.

In all the years that pw has existed, maybe only 10% that existed since the original p2p pw was released were fixed.
As far as I know, the bugs that exist on the still active p2p pw are the same that we see here.

What's even sadder is that the leaked my-en server files that p. servers have, the people that work on them have fixed more bugs than pw devs have.
Most of the bugs... from what I can tell are easy to fix.

I think there are few reasons to explain this:
Devs don't care
Original devs that worked on p2p pw before they were fired didn't leave a dummies manual for the current devs
Devs are lazy and are only concerned with adding in eyecandy

someone did his/her homework!

- True PW was P2P game, but it lacked people (or more like they didn't get the amount of money they were expecting) so it became F2P (hence all the boutique sales, give more income than what P2P subscriptions would).

- PW-MY as I know is completly fail and about dead due to release of private servers.

- Guild/Housing system existed back on when PW was P2P if my memory has it right (so the Guild Base is not that much of a new feature...), they're still missing the custom housing system though which would be nice to see on these F2P releases.

Here's a link from back 2007 of housing system :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tQwi-HiCA

- Yes bugs exist from the release of P2P and have not been fixed.

- As I know the original devs of PW China got fired/quit and no current devs are able to get their hands into the real problems of the client / server. - So the FF glitch I'm sure is gonna stay there for probably forever. Just like how Veno's pets are able to lure, which was not intended. - or just like the sin hide and spark ^^ ~ - or like the perfect hammer / chest of coins that was unusefull for over a year until they decided to modify their text scripts to remove chest of coins as reward of FF - lol.

I think Perfect World is focusing on their new games more than PW, like FW and so on.

I'm just waiting for the release of DN SEA - for those that know what dn means ^^~ G.W. 2 or B&S then imma leave b:bye

I wonder why the devs who replaced the origal ones can't fix the bugs plaugeing this game but p-server devs can. Honestly p-server devs should be hired to fix this.

Pwi needs to realize they're handling their flagship game poorly and re-evaluate their approach. GL getting that to happen.

I say we try to get the player base to boycott the game for a while for them to realize that we,the people who keep the game alive are unhappy with the current buisiness practices.

That or flat-out quit for better games...Ima go LoL till DN comes my way

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

I know there are a lot of people out there who for them PWI is their first real online game. So I would just like to illustrate one of the main differences between games that aren't **** and PWI.

You are free to leave and never to returnb:victory

This is all the content that PWI has received in the past three years

Rapid growth of our server populations only to decrease
5 servers added, for a total of 7 servers spanning the continental USA
New Races with lame concepts
New Classes that are unbalanced
The game UI overhauled multiple times cuz it sucked
Auto-Pathing
Item-linking in chat cuz we should have been had it
Countless Territory War battles cuz its the only end game thing you can do
Cat Shop sprawl in Archosaur (by the way, have you tried the Augmentation Cookies?)
Countless Marriages (and countless divorces :O )
A whole new PWI Chapel instance
Countless 1-star Dragon Orbs being sacrificed for the greater good
Players buying ZEN just to run their own event giveaways, cuz theres no content
The short-lived Perfect Horn (which was anything but is back now)
Territory Map domination and subsequent release
Countless deaths in room 1 of the Cube of Fate (please don't )
GM's losing duels to Bramble Hood (on purpose of course)
Screenshot contests
Volunteer Moderators working horribly through the night on our boards
Calendar contests
GM foxes speaking only in emotes
Our PWI Facebook Page buying 100k fans
Players believing the April Fools joke and trying to give their barbs wings
Duke Rose disasters
500 players in the same rose bush during Valentine's Day
The slaughter of millions of particularly vocal snowmen
GM Ironman not dying 'til he was good and ready
A rodent in the PWI forums
Recycled Dungeons
Packs
Countless Sales
Economy Inflation

Looks like alot but this is actually nothing lol

Though there are tons of things that could and should be improoved by the company in this game, most act like the players are of no fault for (at least a part) the current problems.

- For some reason, those who have the biggest mouth about how the game is so bad nowdays, still can't stop playing or at least stay on the forums here. They forgot there has always been a competition that involved cashshop or no-life playing to be at "the top of the server". The "big names" of tw on sanc are still the same as before, there are around 5 factions that ever had a significant part of the map. Ppl used to qq how bad wq was but that they had to do it, now ppl qq how stupid fcc is but keep spamming it. I don't see that much how mentality has changed... As if ppl used to help for fb's just to be nice. So it's the devs fault you can't get help for an fb anymore, because they made that the exp/rep from tabs became insignificant?

-The economie is so affected by sales... but also by the massive speculation by merchants. Those merchants also contribute a lot to the inflation ingame. Most of them are purely speculators, driving prices up. Best example would be rep sales. At the first rep sale, demand to use the badges for r8 was really high and gold sky-high cause "maybe it's 1 time only". All the sales after, ppl understand the rep sales will be there regularly. Gold is barely affected by just rep badges, and not so much rush cause most are already r8 anyway. Yet, the lowest price of rep badges increased regularly during each sale for simple speculation purposes. Speculation doesn't create any value, it's not an "investment", and it's impact on ingame economie is disastrous. Actually, a merchant doesn't make money, they just let it circulate in a way they end up with more in the end. Just need to open a newspaper to see the effect of uncontroled speculation.

-"Lvling became so easy, it should be as hard for the new ones as it was for us". Yeah, I also think lvling should be a bit harder, especially at 90+ or even 80+. However, the argument of "it should be as hard for them as for us" is kinda stupid. Did you ever think you had to grow up like your grandparents. No tv or pc, cause be honest, there is no reason you can do your homework faster on a pc then your grandparents writing it down, and that you don't have to spend time to work like them. I think many are happy that it's now possible to have a couple of alts, where having 1 main to lvl was already hard.

-The whole aps-issue already started before the tb-release. Seems "everyone" wants to have classes balanced and aps-issue fixed, yet "everyone" wants aps DD for everything, cause "nobody" wants the 2h+ TT back. On glitches, "everyone" wants them fixed, but a lvl105 pops out every hour cause of the latest well-known glitch. Also, "everyone" wants classes rebalanced, but "nobody" wants to waith even 5 min to get a specific class when things get back to tank+healer+DD+support.

-There is a massive cashshop hate, because it makes them overpowered. It's mainly jealousy imo. Some waste their money on a restaurant, some on a soundsystem for a car, and some like to become virtually immortal. When someone get's a ferrari rl, and get from the 1st to the next firelight faster then you, will you be saying that a ferrari should be accessible to all? Or say that they don't need that kind of car, so they should not waste their money on it and get a twingo like yourself? It's the players that want to be "competitive", because ingame they only group on lvl and gear-quality. I never got why some consider that ingame it should be like a communist society, where everyone has the right at the exact same thing. Maybe we should care a bit more about ourself, and a bit less about being like others.

I do think PW needs to fix a lot of bugs, and most of all, rebalance classes to eachother and to pve content. But just dishing on the company, while factoring out our own responsability, is kinda childish.

Lol Empu, I get the feeling you're throwing me in with the masses with that comment. Despite the fact I have spent on this game and have quit and come back about ... well three times now (still have not actually logged back into PWI again) I have come to realize that nothing ever will get done. And yes I honestly do want classes rebalanced. I remember Nirvana for example, before the APS craze. Only reason 5 APS is attainable now is because with the TB expansion came the new equipment. Before that I don't believe it was reasonable to get 5 APS (or even possible). I remember running Nirvana with a rainbow squad where EVERYONE was doing what their class had always been meant to do. Tank tanks, archer pew pews, etc etc. I MISS that dynamic and it no longer exists. And this is coming from someone who was primarily a cleric before the TB. Even on my veno I liked having a squad full of different classes and everyone actually knew how to play their class.

I left for a long period after the Rank 9 stuff was practically purchasable in the cash shop the first time. Was gone for 7 months or more, not sure didn't keep track. When I came back all I started seeing was advertising for "plvl in FF" in world chat. Talk about different. When I left at least people still leveled themselves! lol.

To say we all complain about this **** but want or do nothing to fix it cannot apply to everyone. I'm willing to deal with the ebb and flow of the game dynamics but there's obviously something really wrong here.

If we EVER want this game to return to its former glory it's not just the playerbase that has to get a grip on that, the developers need to hear that we're dissatisfied. Though honestly, I think I'm one of very very few who still likes the way things were before everyone demanded 5 aps only in their ******n squads. Maybe because I've only ever enjoyed healing/magic classes and my sin just got completely boring to me. What's the point in clicking something and watching it die? Might be amusing I guess but personally I like to actually have something to do. lol. But I dunno, rambling.

Reason I left PWI again is because I'm just damn well fed up with it is all. I want other people to see that the game isn't perfect afterall and there are real things wrong with it. It isn't right that just because it's a "free to play" game means it's supposedly exempt from needing a developer that actually gives a **** about its playerbase.

In the back of my mind I keep hoping maybe one day it'd get better but honestly it'll never happen. Especially if it's been this way since the original one from 2005 lol. Their formula obviously works so why change it now? Let's suck their wallets dry before the whole thing collapses. Short sighted is an understatement.

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

someone did his/her homework!

- True PW was P2P game, but it lacked people (or more like they didn't get the amount of money they were expecting) so it became F2P (hence all the boutique sales, give more income than what P2P subscriptions would).

Technically, no.
The p2p version never became f2p, its still active and p2p as far as I know.
The f2p version is separate from the original.

- PW-MY as I know is completly fail and about dead due to release of private servers.

It was dead when pwi was released, how the hell it still lives is beyond me.

- Guild/Housing system existed back on when PW was P2P if my memory has it right (so the Guild Base is not that much of a new feature...), they're still missing the custom housing system though which would be nice to see on these F2P releases.

Here's a link from back 2007 of housing system :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tQwi-HiCA

I had forgotten about those two features.
While I never had a chance to explore the housing system since it was removed from the f2p versions...
I do have a friend who "discovered" the guild base the original devs had made.
It's actually a very well designed map and looks very pretty compared to the crapola that the current devs made.
The only thing about it is that it, of course, lacks any interesting features in it. It just exists.

- Yes bugs exist from the release of P2P and have not been fixed.

- As I know the original devs of PW China got fired/quit and no current devs are able to get their hands into the real problems of the client / server. - So the FF glitch I'm sure is gonna stay there for probably forever. Just like how Veno's pets are able to lure, which was not intended. - or just like the sin hide and spark ^^ ~ - or like the perfect hammer / chest of coins that was unusefull for over a year until they decided to modify their text scripts to remove chest of coins as reward of FF - lol.

I think Perfect World is focusing on their new games more than PW, like FW and so on.

I'm just waiting for the release of DN SEA - for those that know what dn means ^^~ G.W. 2 or B&S then imma leave b:bye

Meh.
Wanmei may be focusing more on their other games, however, they still can't pull off a decent update on any of them.