Your views on pre-anni pack to now.

I started to play on September 3rd 2009. What is pre-annipack?

pre anni packs my 8x gear > all now gtfo b:angry

Aizza - Harshlands wrote: »

I think the new classes add alot to the game play as a whole.

If by "add alot to the game play as a whole" you mean turn PK into a re.tarded fish gank-fest and completely bypass most of the game in a gigantic rush to power-level, then yes, I completely agree with you

In her world, people listen to her avidly fascinating stories and trolly show interest.

Liandri - Lothranis wrote: »

Been having an argument on vent for like past 2 hours these are our main points would like some views from other players.

Your views on:

1. The game now, compared to pre-anni pack, fish/butterfly parties no BH no genies.

I joined in the week they introduced BHs and a month before first anniversary. Levels 1-60 was most fun time I had in this game, period.

2. The fact you can either Farm for 2 years, or cash shop your gear in 2 weeks with money.

It's dumb. We all got used to that, we wouldn't keep playing otherwise, but it's still dumb.

3. The fact you can level to 100 (disregard 105, 100 was end game hell 90 was.) within 2 weeks as opposed to a few months.

It reduces playerbase. When actual new player starts, sees empty quest spots and starting cities. Everyone else is either 100+ with top gear already or an alt, powerleveled by said main. He gets bored and quits.

4. 1% of the games population won't admit it's broken.

Opinion is like *** - everyone has his own.

5. Would you play if the game rewound to pre anni-pack, took out the refinement orbs made them a farm-able instance for them & only solt mounts/fashion/flyers etc all the carebear stuff in cash shop and maybe heiros.

Of course. They will never do this, though, they prefer solid cash than happy customers.

There was so many other points but my heads fried can't think of anymore.

Replies in ugly teal.

_Althea_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Careful Dia, CrazyJade might start another post about bullies.

Anyway, I miss when there were no BHs (been playing since 2009) and people actually had to help you in order to help themselves. IE: Running quests, doing FBs for EXP/Spirit. Now the game is all about FC. And that's fine~!

Farm > CS imo.

Doing heaps of lower-lvl FBs for Rep......Those were the days

Liandri - Lothranis wrote: »

Been having an argument on vent for like past 2 hours these are our main points would like some views from other players.

Your views on:

1. The game now, compared to pre-anni pack, fish/butterfly parties no BH no genies.

I missed the pre-anni pack world, where levels actually meant something. If you were high level, it usually meant that you worked hard for it and/or are good at PvP and defending your grind spot. Assuming everyone stayed on the same GV level curve, you were only allowed to be on top the level curve if you were in the faction controlling the best grind spots.

2. The fact you can either Farm for 2 years, or cash shop your gear in 2 weeks with money.

Back then, gold was ~100k. 100k is a half an hour to one-hour of grinding. The difference was not significant at all, but cash shoppers did still have a (reasonable) advantage. Nowadays, the difference is too ridiculous and unreasonable. If you're willing to dig the forums a bit, you'll find a quote from a GM declaring that "they are doing everything they can do help lower gold prices", somewhere in the same thread that they introduced perfect hammers (and hence setting a minimum gold price of 500k).

3. The fact you can level to 100 (disregard 105, 100 was end game hell 90 was.) within 2 weeks as opposed to a few months.

See 1). Before, 90 meant you had no life. Now, 100 means that you're too lazy to FC to 101.

4. 1% of the games population won't admit it's broken.

This population either can't do math or has not experienced current end-game PvP/PvE.

5. Would you play if the game rewound to pre anni-pack, took out the refinement orbs made them a farm-able instance for them & only solt mounts/fashion/flyers etc all the carebear stuff in cash shop and maybe heiros.

Heiros should never have been in the cash shop in the first place. The way the game works, even in PvE, heiros become necessary after ~lvl 80 (assuming you want to level efficiently and solo some stuff).

~Keripo

Kinda bothers me when people use fail sins as an example to defend the assassin class <.<;;

And this, people, is the reason there are private servers.

This game has no pvp since long time ago, its filled with noobs who are pro because they spend money on it.

Seriously why are so many people still playing?

come join us on private servers, where the real pvp is b:bye


~Faildom

You killed someone's bet in SZ? Fuucking Hacker.

Your character is black and its name is Slave? Banned

Someone died while running into SZ? Fuucking hacker.

TBH, I've prolly been playing this game close to 2-3 years now on the same Harshlands server (on and off at least) and have had relatively decent to good gear the entire time, even though I've maybe gone to TT or farmed instances a total of 30 times in my entire time here. This was mostly funded through both CS and merchanting, so because I do *both* I've massed up a pretty sizeable fortune.

In some ways its a little harder now to make huge profits from non-CS'ing, since the game has matured and most people know how everything works. You can't sell mysterious chip molds for ridiculous amount of profit anymore, TT farming pays **** for nothing, and people realize you can get cool stuff from Tokens like pots, fb wines, and even TT99 from the NPC (lol).

The key is to always adapt and look for ways to profit from a variety of sources. Remember when undead packs/variety packs were first released? Just looking at PW database I found out they dropped mirages and mysterious pages the majority of the time, so I set up a stall buying mirages and mysterious pages. Turns out noobs opened a ****load of these packs and there was a massive supply of people desperate to sell off their "useless" rewards. They only wanted those undead bears and bulbfishes. I ended up selling my pages to Bannzokk (who didn't have R8 at the time) and some other dude for around 200 gold profit. I made around 300-350 gold from buying mirages for 11k, waiting till variety packs were gone, and selling them for 15-16k. And I had the oppurtunity to do this 2 times, so I made an easy 1k+ gold from just that 1 event.

Anyway from the way I see it I don't give a **** what PWI releases anymore. Packs or no packs, CS'ing has always given you a big advantage over the game. The earliest OP people, like Godsfear, B_I_G, Alex, were all almost unbeatable, but they also CS'ed just as much as some people do now. It baffles me how people can QQ about cs'ing and still continue playing the game, since nothing is gonna change. In fact, it's only gonna get worse. 2 years ago you could spend $200 and be pretty OP, and now you have to spend $2000 to be OP.

Vorbane - Harshlands wrote: »

Naww you got it twisted Burnout. See cuz back then a person like say, Alex could spend 300-400 dollars getting mats, chips, orbs getting a hh80 Gold Bow +5. Is was good but not THAT good. It was at least still comparable to hh80 green and you could definitely beat them 1v1, not to mention farm or grind enuff coins to match his gear in a couple days. Now its like, spend 500-600 USD, get a super amazingly awesome weapon and just straight up raep everyone not r9.

Hell, i even miss pack era nowadays, cuz at least then the gear wasnt that much more OP then hh99 gold weps and the gear was at least somewaht attainable to non cashers. Now you gotta jump thru hoops and make a huge effort just to even attempt R9.

Maybe you werent around for the Mercenary vs Unrivaled TW, I'd say Alex was STRONGER than a R9 is now compared to the rest. He and Legend pulled the catas, and whichever lane they were in they basically duo'ed multiple squads of our people. How did he get that powerful? Jones oracle spamming and CS'ing. I wouldn't be surprised if they spent $1k before reaching high 8x.

Granted they blew all that on stuff that only lasted about a month, so it was smart of them to quit while they were at the top when everyone else started getting misty forest rings.