Hook & Thorn - How high to refine ?

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide
Pyrostormz - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
edited July 2011 in Assassin
My hook and thorn currently are +4, with 2 perfect garnets.
with the orb sale, i am going to +5 them now.

i was wondering if there is any point refining them higher, or am i better off just leaving them where they are.

also, at what point do i want to replace them.
i have heard people saying they use them to 99, but at what point am i worrying to much about losing the -int, and actually losing dps by holding on to them ?

thanks
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I had +4 with 2x Immaculates, used them until I got my Rank 8 dagger.

    As for the DPS: since you already have a high refine, getting TT90 or TT99 is kinda worthless. Mainly because no one wants to buy a highly refined TT90 or TT99, because the only thing anyone uses those for is to make the TT99 gold dagger for Barrier Thorn: Nirvana. For the record, a +0 R8 dagger is better than Hook and Thorn.

    Personally, there's really no reason to go beyond even +3 2x Flawlesses. Personally, I got the +4 because I thought I was gonna hang to it for a long time. Turns out it wasn't really that long once I had enough to buy my TT99s and Rank 8.

    Going beyond +4 is kinda wasted because you'll not be able to sell them for even a fraction of the cost and the increase in damage isn't needed nor worth the coin.
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  • Noriliza - Sanctuary
    Noriliza - Sanctuary Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    mine were +5, which +1 or +5 doesnt really matter, as long as its enuf to solo kill shades and 1st boss in fcc youll be fine...
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I bought mine at +6 for 20m. Sold them for 20m. -Cheaper than the last refine cost someone! Also, you can refine away but they only cause you more trouble. Do you really want aggro all the time when you can't tank worth ****? Agree with the above: don't go past +3: Save it for end game gears.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Mine were +5 with a pair of immac garnets, but I didn't bother using orbs to refine them. About 40ish mirages and some tienkang stones from the event boutique did the job just fine.
  • Pyrostormz - Raging Tide
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    thumbs wrote: »
    I bought mine at +6 for 20m. Sold them for 20m. -Cheaper than the last refine cost someone! Also, you can refine away but they only cause you more trouble. Do you really want aggro all the time when you can't tank worth ****? Agree with the above: don't go past +3: Save it for end game gears.

    i am well geared enough to live if i take aggro, and i solo tt a lot, so i can use damage

    the 7.5 mill or so to upgrade to +5 isnt a big deal, wont impact my ability to buy endgame gear, especially since i am in no rush to get to endgame
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  • doodoobrown
    doodoobrown Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »
    i am well geared enough to live if i take aggro, and i solo tt a lot, so i can use damage

    the 7.5 mill or so to upgrade to +5 isnt a big deal, wont impact my ability to buy endgame gear, especially since i am in no rush to get to endgame


    I dont think the damage increase you think your are gonna get is going to be as substantial as you hope...

    your talking like 60 more damage per hit, and that might even be exaggerating it....and even if you have the best gear available for your level your at 1.82-2 aps which isnt really going to make much of a difference in terms of efficiency, if I was you id invest that 7.5 into something more worthwhile than looks

    just saying, of course you feel free to do what you please
  • Pyrostormz - Raging Tide
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    doodoobrown wrote: »
    I dont think the damage increase you think your are gonna get is going to be as substantial as you hope...

    your talking like 60 more damage per hit, and that might even be exaggerating it....and even if you have the best gear available for your level your at 1.82-2 aps which isnt really going to make much of a difference in terms of efficiency, if I was you id invest that 7.5 into something more worthwhile than looks

    just saying, of course you feel free to do what you please

    granted, it wont be worth much now, which is why i was wondering how long i will be using it

    if i am still using it at level 90+, then it may make a decent difference, and with orbs cheap now, may be worth doing
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  • Noriliza - Sanctuary
    Noriliza - Sanctuary Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I used my hooks til i hit 100 and then went to r8...

    I tried backbiter, and I wasnt even going to bother with gutbreaker cause it would have been a 15+ million weapon for 1 level of use(cause i am not going G13/15), and Im not even sure it would have outdamaged the H&Ts I had....

    so would it be worth it? youre the only one that can answer that

    Ive spent some absurd amounts of money on things I thought Ive needed, but just really wanted, and did just about everything I could to justify it to myself, including ask others if they thought I should, so really if it makes you happy then do it.

    really anymore in this economy 7.5m isnt nothing to lose sleep over, I spend half that or more a day
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  • Pyrostormz - Raging Tide
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    buy you would say that using a +5 H&T until level 100 is just as viable as any other daggers until rank 8 ?
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I had +4 H&Ts w/ 2 perfect garnets from level 80 to level 90. At level 90, I ended up refining them to +6. The damage increase that I saw from the refines was insignificant compared to the damage increase from the +dex from leveling and other gear adds (such as crit from new helm, more crit/dex from new rings, etc).

    Had I used orbs to refine them, I would have regret it. +4 is fine until level 100 when you should be getting r8 or better. I'd save the +5 orb (if you choose to get it) or appropriate the funds into other gear investments.
  • rgog
    rgog Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I agree that plus 3-4 is good enough.

    Like this guy:
    Mine were +5 with a pair of immac garnets, but I didn't bother using orbs to refine them. About 40ish mirages and some tienkang stones from the event boutique did the job just fine.

    I got lucky and got it up to 6 really cheap.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »
    buy you would say that using a +5 H&T until level 100 is just as viable as any other daggers until rank 8 ?

    You are not going to find many dags that out DPS H&T pre 100, unless it's rank 6 sage dags. I think there might be a pair of TT99 green that out damages it, but it's off the path to 99 gold so it's not cost effective anyways.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    You are not going to find many dags that out DPS H&T pre 100, unless it's rank 6 sage dags. I think there might be a pair of TT99 green that out damages it, but it's off the path to 99 gold so it's not cost effective anyways.

    That would depend on the sins APS. I forget which but I believe 2.0 and 2.22 base are both 2.86 sparked. In this instance I'm sure there are plenty of daggers that would out damage H&T due to the APS being the same sparked. Personally I just used H&T to level 100 then got G13s.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I forget which but I believe 2.0 and 2.22 base are both 2.86 sparked. In this instance I'm sure there are plenty of daggers that would out damage H&T due to the APS being the same sparked.

    Yeah there's that.
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Noriliza - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I used my hooks til i hit 100 and then went to r8...

    I tried the rank 8, then put them in the bank and haven't seen them since. I preferred faster chi building, and more consistent survivability with the H&T. Sparking for aps and already having those aps are two different beasts.

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