reset build not points

Laureh - Harshlands
Laureh - Harshlands Posts: 5 Arc User
edited July 2011 in General Discussion
Ok I am scared. I have gotten used to the idea I am alone and have to spend half my play time looking up answers to questions but this one I can't find any answer to....

In other mmo games, it is typical to have some **** leveling build which you redo when you are high enough to start doing squad runs and/or app to a good guild.

I have looked and looked and I see the various reset notes for points but is there anyway to redo your skill build if you have spent spirit on soloing skills which are useless in a squad?

I hope there is an answer to this. I am happy with the way I spent my stat points on my characters but the skills from the trainer I just picked what was shiny not realizing there may be not way to change it at a later time.

It seems odd you would have to research a character at level 10 and decided just how it will be at 100 before you've even had much time to play it.

Please tell me there is a way to rebuild the skills (not points) !!!! Please!
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    You never stop earning spirit, eventually you can max every single skill.

    The "trees" you can follow simply set the skills you need to learn to learn another skill. (And can sort of give a guide on which to learn first).

    If you dont happen to have squad skills (Which at your level isnt going to bother anyone too much, 1by1 killing is the usual way people do stuff), you can learn them as soon as youve earnt the spirit.
  • Arog - Dreamweaver
    Arog - Dreamweaver Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    No there is not
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  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    easy answer for you - no. once you've upgraded the skills you have them for good, thats it.

    ...which is, unfortunately, why you have to research the guides because they tell you which skills become superfluous as others take over....


    But, put it into perspective, at the high levels 95+ whatever you've spent on skills in terms of coin/spirit is not so much when you see what spirit/coin you need for level 11 skills, and what coin you need for good gears.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Not to mention you can always "feed" your exp to your genie to let your spirit catch up a bit.

    You get millions of spirit points and will have plenty, so don't worry.
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not to mention you can always "feed" your exp to your genie to let your spirit catch up a bit.

    You get millions of spirit points and will have plenty, so don't worry.

    Dont do this or youl be forced to grind 4x more experience. It doesnt let your spirit catch up, it slows you down. Just chillout and prioritise the skills you want for squads from now on.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    Dont do this or youl be forced to grind 4x more experience. It doesnt let your spirit catch up, it slows you down. Just chillout and prioritise the skills you want for squads from now on.

    Not true in the least. I fed my genie exp with my sin in the 40s, because when you are in that level range one stack of BHs a day will level you. You can also throw in CS for extra if you want.
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Not true in the least. I fed my genie exp with my sin in the 40s, because when you are in that level range one stack of BHs a day will level you. You can also throw in CS for extra if you want.

    Thats an extra day staying that level. Thus, slowed down. Im no huge fan of powerlevelling or anything, but that is purely wasting time.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    Thats an extra day staying that level. Thus, slowed down. Im no huge fan of powerlevelling or anything, but that is purely wasting time.

    ... Maybe some people don't care if they take 1-20 days more to get to 100?

    Because really, on 100, there's not much to do. Since I don't TW, all I really do is open 6 Fairy Boxes a day, check the AH and do BH.
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... Maybe some people don't care if they take 1-20 days more to get to 100?

    Because really, on 100, there's not much to do. Since I don't TW, all I really do is open 6 Fairy Boxes a day, check the AH and do BH.

    People who get into the "must max all skill @ level" mindset dont hit 100 in any timeframe worth speaking of. If you care about your skills that much that you wont level up, your just plain stupid.

    I mean damn, my Wizard is levelling slow (Only getting exp off my rare BH100-IIorbs and occasional BH / grind), how much slower would it be if I had to earn the 9 million spirit to learn all my ultis to level 10? O_O (She could get them to 9, has BT at 4 and the other 2 at 1).

    Hurr....:

    9 mill spirit : need to earn roughly 45 million exp to get it (BHII orbs gove one or the other, obviously).

    I could get from 83 - ~90 on the exp. Or I could earn the exp, drain it to a genie and then have to do it all again to hit 90. And then have a bucket of spirit and nothing to use it on except genies.


    No thanks, il be hitting 100 and worrying about maxing those a little later. b:bye
  • Daedallus - Sanctuary
    Daedallus - Sanctuary Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    People who get into the "must max all skill @ level" mindset dont hit 100 in any timeframe worth speaking of. If you care about your skills that much that you wont level up, your just plain stupid.

    Or you can read it like... if you don't do it my way, you're stupid cause I, and only I am the owner of truth....

    Funny how ppl call others stupid just like that, lol.

    IMO you should level as you wish... slow, fast whatever... just take the time to learn your char right so you don't become a plvl noob ( we have enough of those by now, thank you)
  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Daedallus - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Or you can read it like... if you don't do it my way, you're stupid cause I, and only I am the owner of truth....

    Funny how ppl call others stupid just like that, lol.

    IMO you should level as you wish... slow, fast whatever... just take the time to learn your char right so you don't become a plvl noob ( we have enough of those by now, thank you)

    Without PLevelling (hypering anything, doing FC before 80, Oracles) you should learn your class plenty fast if you thunder through your quests and BHs.

    But yes, you could misread my intent and assume I think any slow levelling is stupid :p I dont, I just think refusing to level is. Twinking for lower tier weekly tournaments and Trophy Modes excluded.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    You gain nothing by feeding you genie XP (other than a better genie). You don't gain spirit or money any faster by doing this. In fact you end up gaining spirit slower since you don't have access to higher level instances or quests that grant more spirit.

    You end up taking longer to max your skills so losing XP for the purpose of catching up on skills is terrible advice.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    People who get into the "must max all skill @ level" mindset dont hit 100 in any timeframe worth speaking of.

    indeed we don't. speaking for myself, i don't care. hitting 100 is not the point and purpose of playing this game, to me.
    If you care about your skills that much that you wont level up, your just plain stupid.

    some would say i'm stupid for wasting my time on a videogame at all, so i'll not argue my intelligence. i'll gleefully argue my ability to spell the word "you're", however.

    Asterelle makes the same mistake, implicitly assuming that maxing one's skills as soon as possible is the reason for playing this game. i disagree.

    i play the game for the journey; having highly leveled skills all along the way makes that journey more enjoyable. that it also makes the trip take longer is, if anything, a benefit --- it stops me from running out of game content to enjoy any sooner than necessary. yes, i spend much more time at any given level, but at each given level my characters tend to punch above their weight class. this lets me do more things and try more crazy ideas. i find that entertaining.
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  • Kitkate - Dreamweaver
    Kitkate - Dreamweaver Posts: 869 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Level at whatever speed you want. On my veno and cleric, I have so much spirit idk what to do with it all. That's only cause I leveled slower and took my time doing everything. I also do World Quest a lot while I chat with faction members.

    I started a new archer the other day, and its at lvl 17, the perfect level for grinding an getting low level mats(cotton thread, grease, etc.) for crafting. The quests alone will level me when I turn them in, but I don't care. I have fed about 4 genies already, turned out they aren't good when they hit 10, decomp and get another. Some people say that's a waste of exp, and I don't care. You can always get more exp, and I'm getting mats that I want to level crafting with, or sell.

    At level 40, you can level just off of bh. It's so easy. I'd suggest like others that you chill there for a while and feed just enough exp to your genie(in other words don't feed it all of your exp) if you don't care about leveling fast. If you do want to level fast, you can get spirit at higher levels. At higher levels though, you also have more skills you need to spend it on that require even more spirit(like 400k a piece around lvl 80ish). So pace yourself however you want to. I personally don't care for leveling fast. It's boring and expensive at the top.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    indeed we don't. speaking for myself, i don't care. hitting 100 is not the point and purpose of playing this game, to me.

    So very very ditto'd. Looking forward to starting my third year of play soon; nearly got all the 92 skills I want, and am starting prep on the 99 skills for when I hit 99.

    And I only threw one level to my genie, back in my fifties.
  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    indeed we don't. speaking for myself, i don't care. hitting 100 is not the point and purpose of playing this game, to me.

    So.... The fact that the final game content (Nirvana) has a Lv100 Requisite means nothing? If you want to experiance it all, You have to hit 100. 101 if you care for Rank9

    some would say i'm stupid for wasting my time on a videogame at all, so i'll not argue my intelligence. i'll gleefully argue my ability to spell the word "you're", however.

    I dont use a speelchecker because im not a fan of having my browser slowed down by a pile of ****. Il take the fact that you understood me to mean im doing well enough to go on with however. Additionally, you didnt capitalize anything. Dont bother complaining about my iffy spelling if you cant even do that, please.

    Asterelle makes the same mistake, implicitly assuming that maxing one's skills as soon as possible is the reason for playing this game. i disagree.

    No she didnt, she stated almost exactly what I did. Level at the pace you like, but dumping experience will only slow you down, it has no other advantages. Again, im no huge powerlevelling fan (I do it, for various reasons here and there, most recent being a cleric on another account so I can buff myself), but going even slower than the game was designed for is just plain dumb. (Especially considering how slow it is, I mean really, 0-100 is a years job unless you dont stop killing stuff EVER without any hypering or FC)

    i play the game for the journey; having highly leveled skills all along the way makes that journey more enjoyable. that it also makes the trip take longer is, if anything, a benefit --- it stops me from running out of game content to enjoy any sooner than necessary. yes, i spend much more time at any given level, but at each given level my characters tend to punch above their weight class. this lets me do more things and try more crazy ideas. i find that entertaining.

    Not exactly pushing yourself if your so much better geared / "skilled" [the ones you buy with spirit] though are you? Id consider that boring, myself.

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    Play the game how you like, seriously. Just dont expect anyone else to wait around for you. Theres a difference between taking it slow and pretty much forcing yourself to stop. Your skills will catch up in due time so dont worry about them being underlevelled. Players like Lenie are few and far between and trust me, unless that how you naturally play on your own (Which having come from other MMOs like you stated you likely wont, most have a much faster pace), itl just bore you to death being stuck at lower levels.

    You cannot reset your skills to 0. You will be able to max them all eventually, the important ones sooner if you prioritise them now.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I was at level 93 for a year and I was online grinding all day every day. How's that for slow. :p

    Myself, I prefer to take my time when leveling. I've most likely done more on one character than anyone else. Being 100 isn't the point, the effort to get there is. I wouldn't mind lowering my venos level and grinding my way up again. I prefer that over sitting at level 100.

    Level as slow or as fast as you want. Just make sure you know how to play the game before you get too high. Your skills can catch up its possible to max all of them.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    as an aside, putting your replies inside the quote in another color makes it too annoying to quote you in turn. so i'll just dump everything you said and you can figure out for yourself what i'm responding to.

    nirvana being level-100 means i won't be running nirvana until i hit 100, whenever that turns out to be. i'm in no hurry --- there's PLENTY for me to do before nirvana.

    i don't use a spellchecker either. my spelling (and grammar) is all my own, as are all my errors. my not capitalizing anything is deliberate personal style; i've been writing in all-lowercase since the mid-1990's --- you don't have to like it, i'm just saying even i'm not so much of a computer-geek egghead that i would make the english language case sensitive.

    i use linux/unix and i write program code; those are case sensitive. i don't need a natural language to work that way.

    this game was designed without bounty hunter, without divine quests, without hyper exp stones, without the tideborn chain... this game's first incarnation, you grinded your XP. ALL of it. even i don't level that slow anymore.

    and no, i'm not pushing myself in this game. why on earth should i? i'm playing a game. there's absolutely no point being in a hurry about it, i'm just killing spare time anyway --- by definition.
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  • OiOOio - Raging Tide
    OiOOio - Raging Tide Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I have been putting my exp on my genie since lvl 40 and am now lvl 75. I have been doing a lot of DQ quests as well.

    But overall I have maxed out much of all my skills and still have bout 5 skills i still need maxing or getting even.

    I am amazed that I still do not have enough spirit to get another skill.

    I can say however that I have enjoyed my time so far and still do. I have op'ed many mobs by doing this and even other players b:pleased

    But like every1 says, do what you feel u must do. If you want to squad soon or have a quest that requires it yet dont have the skill for it, then fill up those genie's with exp and gain spirit by doing quests if you still have them.

    Those will be the faster ways to get spirit.

    Oh and on my alt cleric i kill her purposly many times over to lose exp and as of now have maxed all her 29 skills and having spirit left over.

    I did it so i dont have to worry about having 2 ppl pked when im doing quests and can revive my main anytime.

    Shes OP'ed and +2 all around & +3 on her weap. Gold weap etc... lol.

    Its fun to have others jaws drop when i can practically 1 shot mobs my lvl or more.b:pleased

    I totally did not realize i could get another genie and fill her up b:shocked
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  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    People who get into the "must max all skill @ level" mindset dont hit 100 in any timeframe worth speaking of. If you care about your skills that much that you wont level up, your just plain stupid.
    You know, not everybody has the same priorities and preferences as you. Just because they want to play the game with different goals than your own is no reason to be insulting.

    People play the game to have fun, and we all can have our own definitions of how to have fun. It's rude to insult someone for simply choosing a different way to play that they enjoy when it doesn't harm anyone else.

    Please try to consider this when posting in the future.
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    You know, not everybody has the same priorities and preferences as you. Just because they want to play the game with different goals than your own is no reason to be insulting.

    People play the game to have fun, and we all can have our own definitions of how to have fun. It's rude to insult someone for simply choosing a different way to play that they enjoy when it doesn't harm anyone else.

    Please try to consider this when posting in the future.
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    This is a forum, my opinion is worth as much as anyone elses. If you consider my opinion of people playing that way being stupid offensive, then you need to grow up.

    To anyone and everyone who I somehow offended, I wont be apologising, grow up and get lost.

    To the rest, thank you for simply living with my opinion being that.

    And btw, dont try blaming me for any of this, I merely pointed out why one of the early pieces of advice had many negative aspects, other people derailed this into a playstyle topic.

    - AAAAAAAALSO : Lenie, if you wont follow the standards the rest of the world does (Capitalisation for instance), I wont either, il just continue making mistakes. My posts remain perfectly understandable so dont bother pointing out these errors unless they cause an issue from now on, thanks.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    -removed-

    by all means, that's an excellent compromise. provided you'll refrain from calling people stupid for playing the game differently than you do, then we have a deal.
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  • sangodoc
    sangodoc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    This is a forum, my opinion is worth as much as anyone elses. If you consider my opinion of people playing that way being stupid offensive, then you need to grow up.
    This has nothing to do with me. Calling someone else "stupid" is, by definition, offensive. And if you've read the ToS for this forum you know that "PWE will not tolerate any illegal or offensive conduct."

    You can have your own opinion too, all I'm asking you to do is show some respect for other people who don't share your point of view. Personally, I think that's a mature perspective, and not a reason why I should "need to grow up."
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Sangodoc wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with me. Calling someone else "stupid" is, by definition, offensive. And if you've read the ToS for this forum you know that "PWE will not tolerate any illegal or offensive conduct."

    You can have your own opinion too, all I'm asking you to do is show some respect for other people who don't share your point of view. Personally, I think that's a mature perspective, and not a reason why I should "need to grow up."

    Then if you please, go and trundle through the class discussion forums and prune all the posts calling people stupid. Youl be there til next week, if not longer.

    Theres a major difference between calling someone stupid (Which I didnt do directly, you only got called stupid if you felt stupid by putting yourself in that part of y opinion) and calling someone a **** ****head who needs to go and die in a hole. Which I didnt do at all.

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