Heaven (Sage) vs Hell (Demon)

Fleuri - Sanctuary · July 2011

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Our little 1v1 was my attempt to show you that no, mana drain does not work on any target with a mana pot over level 60, No really go eat 500 mp off of a 10k mp cleric.

That was not what you advertised its purpose was -- nor was it what you showed me -- these were three different things.

What you showed me was that fighting 1v1 against a balademaster without apoth is stupid.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

and that 2 extra meters on take aim is worthless vs any class but barbs/mystics because...

Psys/clerics/venos/seekers purify

Ok, um... great.

KedgeSniper - Lost City · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

That was not what you advertised its purpose was -- nor was it what you showed me -- these were three different things.

What you showed me was that fighting 1v1 against a balademaster without apoth is stupid.

Ok, um... great.

b:laugh Typical QQ pm from someone you kill at pvp.. I had no Immune pots!!!

Fleuri - Sanctuary · July 2011

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

b:laugh Typical QQ pm from someone you kill at pvp.. I had no Immune pots!!!

I had plenty of apothecaries of all varieties, including the various immune pots.

But I was using a +5 bow and using no apothecaries because that was the test protocol we had agreed on. Except, Joshcja changed that and did not tell me until afterwards.

He died in our very first battle, because he "messed up" -- probably his mistake was not using apothecaries?

Joshcja - Sanctuary · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

I had plenty of apothecaries of all varieties, including the various immune pots.

But I was using a +5 bow and using no apothecaries because that was the test protocol we had agreed on. Except, Joshcja changed that and did not tell me until afterwards.

He died in our very first battle, because he "messed up" -- probably his mistake was not using apothecaries?

The test protocol on the forum also had me useing 70 axes and cancle channeling guess what was removed from game?. Nothing was said of apoc useage or anything of the like, in fact i rarely ever use apocs in map pvp, got a few just for kicks in our 1v1. The situation we had debated in forum involved possible apocs, one could argue that I was simply demonstrateing their useage...

Keep in mind that I have never once brought this up since it happened as any conclusive proof of any arguement and your bloody month later QQ is just unnesecary. Nobody has used this as a mark against you and I dont think anyone will as nobody else was there lol.

For the last time, this is a forum. No arguements aside from mathmatical proof or controled test cases where the results can be precisely duplicated should be considered anything more than personal opinion. FFS drama.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

I had plenty of apothecaries of all varieties, including the various immune pots.

But I was using a +5 bow and using no apothecaries because that was the test protocol we had agreed on. Except, Joshcja changed that and did not tell me until afterwards.

He died in our very first battle, because he "messed up" -- probably his mistake was not using apothecaries?

If nothing is said about apothecary specifically you should assume its ok, it's a 1v1 not a duel lol

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary · July 2011

demon or gtfo no questions no math, if u disagree msg me in game and i will show u personally

Aeyisha - Lost City · July 2011

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

demon or gtfo no questions no math, if u disagree msg me in game and i will show u personally

Oooohhh...I R SCARED!

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary · July 2011

i so scurr too what if i die to a sage archer b:cry

Cyb_kairu - Sanctuary · July 2011

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

i so scurr too what if i die to a sage archer b:cry

<---points to wizzeled .. ... . . . . sadly his gear is outdated to kirby's r9 though QQ.

Miugre - Heavens Tear · July 2011

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote:

Ok then let me rephrase. The following skills, vicious arrow, serrated arrow, deadly shot, knockback arrow, and stormrage eagleon carry no practical or general use; and as such I would advise no archer to use these skills at all, let alone as a deciding factor in choosing culti. There , I used a lot of unnessecary space and too many words just to present something better described by the word "suck"

So are you telling me that, whenever you go to a new game and are looking up info on it, you'll gravitate towards the guides that say "hur hur this sux don't use it?" I dunno about you, but that kind of language doesn't usually instill much trust in its writer, for me. Frankly, what it says to me is "this guy clearly isn't intelligent enough to get a full community opinion, and/or has made no attempt to remove as much bias as possible."

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote:

Now you reveal the reading problem is worse than I had thought. If you wanted to know what menial, laughable "improvements" these skills made from level 10 to 11, you could have simply read the skill descriptions on ecatomb. It takes only a few seconds to read the descriptions, decide they still suck, then go on with your life. Instilling awareness is one thing. But this is a well known archer fact, don't advise new archers to waste money and sp on a skill that is terrible for the sake of curiosity. That is mean.

What I would advise is for people to know the facts, go out and experiment with those facts in mind, learn things, experiment some more, learn more things, etc... instead of taking anything someone says as gospel. What I did was my decision, and I would not have done it without the facts in mind. Given that I've said this three or four times already, I'm starting to wonder who has the "reading problem" here. >_>

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote:

Wasn't specified stun/sta/passives from the beginning. but anyway even for pve crits are still better. What good is a second longer to keep hitting and not crit... next to regular duration stun except with higher chance to kill off whatever you are shooting much faster. Sta, I'll give you for pve, kind of, because the crit is still damn useful even when head to head with inc debuff. Also, with high DPS and defenses to match...you may very well end up tanking the boss, or you can practice better aggro control.

I dunno, I seem to have no trouble finding situations where I still need to practice aggro control, despite my "****" DPS. :P

What good is an extra 1.5s stun? Plenty, if it's going to make the difference between getting hit or not. You don't use stun on bosses, at least not the sage version, for obvious reasons. But a well-placed stun or aim low can help mitigate a situation where mob(s) have been aggroed by the wrong people, which helps to save other squad members (such as the cleric, who IMO it's a DD's secondary duty to protect). It's also 1.5 that a mob is not damaging the tank, or 1.5s that a dragoon isn't aoe stunning, or maybe just 1.5s towards its own cooldown so you can use it again. There's a lot of possibilities to notice when your epeen isn't preoccupied with making sure your DPS is higher than the guy next to you. :P

As for STA, if you're using STA on a boss, you use it at the beginning of the fight (if you have any sense), and then you wait for the tank to get aggro. In which case, I'm sure those 10s of crit are extremely useful while you wait. :P The other PVE use of STA is arguably on mob groups, in which case the crit can be useful, so maybe this one's even.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · July 2011

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

The test protocol on the forum also had me useing 70 axes and cancle channeling guess what was removed from game?.

Really? Can you reference that post? I can't find it by searching.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nothing was said of apoc useage or anything of the like, in fact i rarely ever use apocs in map pvp, got a few just for kicks in our 1v1.

This does not match my memory at all, but I am too apathetic to go back and try and find a post that for all I know has been deleted.

Edit: Still, the fact that you used them suggests that you found some value in their use.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

The situation we had debated in forum involved possible apocs, one could argue that I was simply demonstrateing their useage...

Really? My bad then.

That said, I have a very strong impression that apoths were supposed to be off the table.

And if you want burst damage from an archer in 1v1 pvp, it's hard to beat a sage with zooming thunder. (And I've been carrying a stack of them for over a year now -- they are almost useless in TW -- I would have welcomed a chance to use them.)

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Keep in mind that I have never once brought this up since it happened as any conclusive proof of any arguement and your bloody month later QQ is just unnesecary. Nobody has used this as a mark against you and I dont think anyone will as nobody else was there lol.

You have, however, been continually going off on how I know nothing about PvP. It's getting annoying.

Do I have things I could learn? Yes. But claiming that I know nothing of PvP is pure hyperbole and if your above paragraph is to be trusted, it's hyperbole which can have no factual basis in experience on your part.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

For the last time, this is a forum. No arguements aside from mathmatical proof or controled test cases where the results can be precisely duplicated should be considered anything more than personal opinion. FFS drama.

For the last time?

b:chuckle

But I'll take my random bits of math over other people's random bits of "you idiot" any day of the week.

angellicdeity · July 2011

Uriah - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have a Sage Archer and am very fond of my build and the performance I get out of it. I'm not statted for fists or a heavy helm. Every single piece of gear I have either adds dex, or adds str that has been restatted into dex.

People tend to look at forums/guides and instantly agree with them without question. And in a lot of guides and forums, there is a lot of misinformation regarding skills, etc.

Here are a few examples.
Myth-Sage Bow Mastery adds 95% to weapon damage.
Fact-Sage bow Mastery adds 95% to "ranged attack", effectively giving a Sage Archer atk lvl15 to ranged attacks based upon damage dealt.

Myth-An archer can deal more damage in-close with 5aps and fists.
Fact-An extreme dex archer that didn't waste the points on str for fists and warsoul Helm, equipped with Sage Winged Pledge (one second cool-down and casting) and Sage Wingspan can deal damage faster. (I have proven this in duels several times, with Demon-fist archers hitting me with 5aps at 300 damage a hit. And I hit them twice in less than two seconds with a total of 9,000 damage.)

Myth-A Sage Archer isn't any better than a Demon archer at taking down HA, because you already have enough metal skills as an archer the way it is.
Fact-Sage Archer metal skills are better than demon in a lot of ways. Also, and I have tested this theory in several TWs against barbs and BMs, Sage Frost Arrow restats all phys damage into water damage. So even if a barb or BM has increased metal resistance, this skill pwns them. (And don't forget the 20% max HP reduction dealt with Sage STA.)

Myth-One point of dex isn't that important.
Fact-Dex multiplies by weapon damage, making every dex point count. it also affects evasion and accuracy.

And my final argument against Demon/fist builds being better than Sage/extreme dex is this. Take part in a long, drawn out TW and run out of chi pots. And then die in the enemy base while your catas are on their crystal. Now hurry back and set up barrage. Oh wait...you have no chi...

I'm not saying my build is really better than demon either, because I know a lot of good Demon archers. Both of them in a squad together can be a devastating combination in both PvE and PvP.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm66/GhostNThaMachine/archerstats.jpg

This is my build. The pic on the left is unbuffed. The one on the right is unbuffed and sparked. I have a Jones Blessing, and 10 DoTs in my gear, giving me an effective atk lvl of 55 to ranged attacks on top of the damage I already get from 534 dex multiplied by the damage of a +10 R8 bow.

Everything about this post is horridly wrong.

Ruvil - Sanctuary · July 2011

Dear migure stun arrow difference is 1 sec, tip of the iceberg b:avoid

Anyways lets just do this pve part demon vs sage.

So endgame pve on an archer is... account stash + re-roll sin, tada!

If you're too poor for g13 daggers or better then you're poor, tada #2!
which MEANS you need $$ help aka cheaper 5.0 = demon.

Granted sage base 5.0 is better for tanking w/ sage spark, if you really want to tank make a BM, barb, refine your stuff higher since you got cheaper 5.0.

interestingly I have not talked about any sage vs demon skills (asides from 3 spark) in an apparent sage vs demon guide pve style. why? because it doesn't even matter. endgame pve in PWI is 5.0 twitch kill perma spark.

I'm already crying inside from the predicted stupidity that people will probably reply to this post with. (i.e. YO SAGE BLAZING ARROW MAKES 5.0 DAMAGE MOAAAARR!!!) Please if you want to say I'm wrong, include "why" or an alternative that's better.

Lastly, if you are one of those people who are going to go "QQ I dont want max DPS, I want to go SLOWER and ENJOY my endgame PVE CONTENT (LOLOLOLOL) then yes Sage is right for you!!

KedgeSniper - Lost City · July 2011

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lastly, if you are one of those people who are going to go "QQ I dont want max DPS, I want to go SLOWER and ENJOY my endgame PVE CONTENT (LOLOLOLOL) then yes Sage is right for you!!

b:chuckle I never used fist!~
b:dirty And Im demon spaming serrated,poison and eagle.

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Do I have things I could learn? Yes. But claiming that I know nothing of PvP is pure hyperbole and if your above paragraph is to be trusted, it's hyperbole which can have no factual basis in experience on your part.
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I dont think is.. coincidence that more than 2 people can tell that you lack of PVP Experience.. All your "scenarios" rely on having advantage (more people, buffs, debuffs, no apoth, no genie.. etc.) Most of your arguments are pretty bad.. and people make fun of the lack of facts you can come up with.

If you look at Asterelle, ruvil or even kiyoshi.. they do have something to back up with.

Yes i know you can go off.. get rank9 and spam barrage in west gate.. but still.. even if you go out on west gate and do that.. it be more pvp experience than what you got to offer.

Tw experience is decent, but its not the truth pvp in this game.. specially talking about 1v1 or outnumber situations.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · July 2011

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

I dont think is.. coincidence that more than 2 people can tell that you lack of PVP Experience.. All your "scenarios" rely on having advantage (more people, buffs, debuffs, no apoth, no genie.. etc.) Most of your arguments are pretty bad.. and people make fun of the lack of facts you can come up with.

Ok, gotcha -- having an edge is bad practice in pvp.

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

If you look at Asterelle, ruvil or even kiyoshi.. they do have something to back up with.

*rolls eyes*

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Tw experience is decent, but its not the truth pvp in this game.. specially talking about 1v1 or outnumber situations.

Sorry, I am not interested, and I'm not buying it.

Good luck though.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · July 2011

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

wall of textes

It's not "hur hur this sucks"... because those skills are awful. Objectively awful. And wasn't my rephrase good enough for you? it isn't bias, those skills are terrible because there is nothing u stand to gain by staying there casting them like a dip****. I do not have some kind of wierd bias against that particular skill tree that I must fulfill by wrongly saying the skills suck, they just do.

That next point was stupid. What the hell kind of top secret advanced experimentation could possibly give these skills a practical use? I'm not against experimenting and learning, I am against your support of these terrible waste of time and sp skills.

Lastly, do not be impressed by yourself for stealing aggro from a barb tank. Just, Dont. Also, the scenario you described is easily pulled off with regular stun. You don't need to waste an entire cultivation path just for one second add on when it's not even that great(also, you can't stun dragoon). And here I detect Bias against people who gear for DPS. so I'm gonna react the way you believe readers react when they see this kind of thing...BIAS OMG I STOP READING NAO!!!! Aaaaanyway, Yes sta is useful on both ends, but endgame all you are gearing up for is pvp, so it is useless as an archer main carry this kind of pve bias (there is your bias again) in the first place.

truekossy · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok, gotcha -- having an edge is bad practice in pvp..

There's a difference between an edge and an insanely overwhelming advantage. Having multiple venos/a sin/archer backing you up for you to kill one opponent is no longer an edge when it comes to PvP. Especially when you count the fact that without the sheer number of people zerging, it wouldn't even be a contest for the person getting ganked (because by that point in time, what you describe would be nothing more than a gank).

Yes, you have solid math, but your circumstances most of the time are so out of left field and tend to rely on such insane precision and luck that they become, for all intents and purposes, impossible scenarios.... and no amount of math is going to save you when reality comes slapping you in the face because someone with superior game AND better combat experience comes along and kills off your support before you even get a chance to try putting anything into action because they know how to react to situations and what targets to prioritize.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · July 2011

truekossy wrote: »

There's a difference between an edge and an insanely overwhelming advantage.

I am going to call BS here.

Those were scenarios where someone was going up against someone with vastly superior gear.

KedgeSniper - Lost City · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok, gotcha -- having an edge is bad practice in pvp.

*rolls eyes*

Sorry, I am not interested, and I'm not buying it.

Good luck though.

b:chuckle
Your to proud to accept your wrong. Its okay, we all gonna sit here and laugh at your comments.

Mana burn #1 PVP Skill!
HH99 +5 Kills rank9 archers (with a full squad)!
Sage out dps QS if you kill your target in less than 6 seconds!
The highest Cash shop barb in Sanc gets solo by one person.

Did i miss something or there's more b:laugh

oh blue names lv 100++ with less than 3k kills in 3 years are right about PVP. No matter What anyone else says.

Joshcja - Sanctuary · July 2011

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

b:chuckle
Your to proud to accept your wrong. Its okay, we all gonna sit here and laugh at your comments.

Mana burn #1 PVP Skill!
HH99 +5 Kills rank9 archers (with a full squad)!
Sage out dps QS if you kill your target in less than 6 seconds!
The highest Cash shop barb in Sanc gets solo by one person.

Did i miss something or there's more b:laugh

oh blue names lv 100++ with less than 3k kills in 3 years are right about PVP. No matter What anyone else says.[/QUOTE]

I resemble that remark sir >.>

ProtocoI - Harshlands · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am going to call BS here.

Those were scenarios where someone was going up against someone with vastly superior gear.

Are you on crack? Well ok I'll put it like this, for an experienced pvper, 1-2 people on him is PVP or and edge, 3 or more is a gank. If you don't know what that is from your lack of experience it's a gangbang of opponents on fewer amounts of players.

Potting is considered an edge because anyone can get access, you just have to use it at the right time, having a r9 compared to tt 90 is an overwhelming advantage aka suicide (unless r9 is nub aka doesn't attack).

Wings of grace is an edge, full 79 buffs from wizard/archer/ bm is an overwhelming advantage. See how this is going?

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am going to call BS here.

Those were scenarios where someone was going up against someone with vastly superior gear.

LOL... "scenarios". You know... the other day I dreamed that my archer made a -.1int *3 old HT level 100 gold ring. That's a "scenarios" too you know... not a very possible one. I am going to go out on a limb and say there are many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many instances where my r9 bow ***** slapped dozens of full of tt99 and tt90s.

Since you are so good with scenarios... maybe you should gather up a couple venos... throw in another archer or so... mix it with a sin or two. And go after one of the full r9 archers outside of west... or anywhere you find them on Sanc. Proceed to jump him and see how many from your group survives the slaughter that will sure to follow. Frap it and let us know how it went.

Joshcja - Sanctuary · July 2011

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL... "scenarios". You know... the other day I dreamed that my archer made a -.1int *3 old HT level 100 gold ring. That's a "scenarios" too you know... not a very possible one. I am going to go out on a limb and say there are many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many instances where my r9 bow ***** slapped dozens of full of tt99 and tt90s.

Since you are so good with scenarios... maybe you should gather up a couple venos... throw in another archer or so... mix it with a sin or two. And go after one of the full r9 archers outside of west... or anywhere you find them on Sanc. Proceed to jump him and see how many from your group survives the slaughter that will sure to follow. Frap it and let us know how it went.

Stubs Kirby and Ruvil have been known to leave no survivors

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · July 2011

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stubs Kirby and Ruvil have been known to leave no survivors

That's cause they haven't fought against Fleuri + 20 venos + 5 archers + 10 sins.

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary · July 2011

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL... "scenarios". You know... the other day I dreamed that my archer made a -.1int *3 old HT level 100 gold ring. That's a "scenarios" too you know... not a very possible one. I am going to go out on a limb and say there are many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many instances where my r9 bow ***** slapped dozens of full of tt99 and tt90s.

Since you are so good with scenarios... maybe you should gather up a couple venos... throw in another archer or so... mix it with a sin or two. And go after one of the full r9 archers outside of west... or anywhere you find them on Sanc. Proceed to jump him and see how many from your group survives the slaughter that will sure to follow. Frap it and let us know how it went.

she/he/it doesnt pk, therefore she does not know what she is talking about. These mathematical equations and scenarios are all theoretical, everything changes in pk whether its lag/rubberband/misclick/etc/ arguing with her is very pointless

KedgeSniper - Lost City · July 2011

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

she/he/it doesnt pk, therefore she does not know what she is talking about. These mathematical equations and scenarios are all theoretical, everything changes in pk whether its lag/rubberband/misclick/etc/ arguing with her is very pointless

lul b:chuckle b:laugh b:chuckle

truekossy · July 2011

True enough.

And that's the problem with theory crafting. You can have all the numbers and crafted scenarios in the world, but if you can't apply them in reality, they mean nothing. Flueri's PvP scenarios make logical sense... but only to people who don't have any real PvP experience. To those who are used to PK, you pretty much instantly dismiss almost all of what goes on until it just gets to the point where you have a full faction vs the intended target... and at that point, it'd be a win for the mob in most cases from lag alone. Not to mention by that time it completely defeats the purpose of whatever the original scenario was supposed to prove.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · July 2011

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

she/he/it doesnt pk, therefore she does not know what she is talking about. These mathematical equations and scenarios are all theoretical, everything changes in pk whether its lag/rubberband/misclick/etc/ arguing with her is very pointless

You have your verb tenses confused.

I have have a demon alt, on harshlands. So I have pk'd in the past. (Granted though: not an archer.)

It's not something I do now.

However, I get no joy from killing people weaker than myself. Nearly all of my kills on that character are from killing people that tried to gank me. And by that, I include 1v1 kills where the person initiated combat (and was typically 1 level higher than myself). That's not many kills, btw. People learn to stay away from you when you kill them when they had the drop on you. And in plenty of cases (especially when I was lower level) my only option was to run. (But obviously, even there, I had some kind of advantage, if only in that I knew how to do something that they did not understand.)

So, ok, you all are knocking me for not ganking and then laughing because I proposed a gank scenario? Ok, that's fair?

And you are right, i's not like an over powered gank shows skill.

But think about that for a moment -- most of those high pvp counts come from ganks -- killing people when you have an overpowering advantage.

That said, I proposed that gank scenario specifically to counter a "this kind of person people can never ever do this to me". And I wanted to do that using fairly obvious bits of information. It served its purpose.

Aeyisha - Lost City · July 2011

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

i so scurr too what if i die to a sage archer b:cry

Then QQ till the cows come home to the PWI gods?

Question to Kiyoshi: Since you are the god of archers it seems, how come several archers who have quit have more pk kills than you?(on HT, Hoshimi for example, QueenBii(plays sin)) And several people with **** gear compared to you have better kill counts? FallenAngelX?

/justwondering

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary · July 2011

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

You have your verb tenses confused.

I have have a demon alt, on harshlands. So I have pk'd in the past. (Granted though: not an archer.)

It's not something I do now.

However, I get no joy from killing people weaker than myself. Nearly all of my kills on that character are from killing people that tried to gank me. And by that, I include 1v1 kills where the person initiated combat (and was typically 1 level higher than myself). That's not many kills, btw. People learn to stay away from you when you kill them when they had the drop on you. And in plenty of cases (especially when I was lower level) my only option was to run. (But obviously, even there, I had some kind of advantage, if only in that I knew how to do something that they did not understand.)

So, ok, you all are knocking me for not ganking and then laughing because I proposed a gank scenario? Ok, that's fair?

And you are right, i's not like an over powered gank shows skill.

But think about that for a moment -- most of those high pvp counts come from ganks -- killing people when you have an overpowering advantage.

That said, I proposed that gank scenario specifically to counter a "this kind of person people can never ever do this to me". And I wanted to do that using fairly obvious bits of information. It served its purpose.

so youve never pked on a demon archer, you ran way from fights, you got ganked. you have yet to prove anything. PKing in the past is different from pking now. high pvp counts dont come from ganks, unless you are constantly getting the killing blow on people which is highly unlikely since we are dealing with a gank scenario. aside from that, we are in a PVE server, no one PKs, most kills are gained through TW.

I never read anything past 3 pages of this thread so if im missing something, just fill me in....

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