BM Genie Discussion

Calvin - Lost City wrote: »

People who say lawbreaker not worth it, they don't 1v1 mage enough to notice how important ice+lawbreaker is.

@TheDan : After you +12, what are you going to spend your money on? I rather have more def lvl than hp, def lvl can make u super tanky. Personally, I would say r9 set +12 24JOSD. Maybe the pve server bms like vit stones, lol.

Meh, as a disclaimer some of us prefer def level

And the only place you'll be poping lawbreaker on a mage is vs FOW, they spam it on cooldown, Not hard to go...1,2,3 CD's up *will surge*

That said he's refering to mages with badge fort genis so you get 2 stuns tops.

The only use I can think of for a full rank 9 set is in TW or vs a rank 9 psy tbh

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

I had Lawbreaker for a while. Then I realized that with 75 energy, I might as well just cast OI on them instead of breaking the seal.



Law breaks seal not paralyze.

Huh? I know that, I guess my post wasn't very clear. I meant I leap out of paralyze and only bother to use law breaker to break out of silence since you can't leap when silenced, but you may leap out of paralyze. The only time I'd see break paralyze to be useful is if you're locked while trying to drop.

Law breaker is a must for 1v1 against r9 mages with 100 dex genies with badge/fortify. The only way I can kill them is to kill them in one stun, there's no such thing as OI stun-lock against those mages. I tend to kill r9 mages in 1v1 by luring out their badge and then stunning them with bash for 7.5 and just killing them without needing a 2nd stun so fortify is useless. Though break paralyze I've never tried before because I find it questionable, since I would fear getting stunned after I broke paralyze lol.

@Calvin, you misunderstand the reasons for my build, I probably PK as much or more than most PvP server BMs lol. But my rl friends made me play here on this PvE server and was too late to re-roll onto a PvP server. I sharded most my G12 interval gear in like late 09/early 10 WAY WAY before jones blessings, ocean sales and R9 attack level craze. My preference of Vit stones was of a completely different nature than what PvP is like now, back when +7 was the heavy cash shop refine, and 10K HP unbuffed for a BM was rare. So yeah, I did prefer Vit stones a while ago because I found them to be more useful when my unbuffed HP was below 10K, but times have changed. I was just too lazy to pull the Vit stones out because I hadn't decided whether or not I should bother getting R9 so late of stage. Fists were still viable in PK up until a month or two ago when CC was nerfed. DBB CH and DBB GS would roll any r9 I 1v1ed, so axes were of always lesser need.

It's outdated I know because it lacks def level, and it's very costly to do jades atm when they're 60M+. But at the very least my gears are mostly +11, and to outfit it, would require a lot of investment in coin.

I guess I wouldn't have anything else to work on after +12, but it seems like such a waste to have my +11 bound gears be scrapped. I was questioning whether or not going full r9 was worth it, since the difference between 2 R9 pieces and full R9 in terms of defense level is just 10 Def. The rest of my gears I'd still shard jades.

Take a look for yourself at the builds I've considered:

http://pwcalc.com/13ea499957acdb08

http://pwcalc.com/9132fa095bb68162

http://pwcalc.com/cc8b9b671173dd78

http://pwcalc.com/0265f9790c4c6f9d - current

The difference in survivability or tankiness of 2 piece r9 to full r9 isn't too big, but it gives significantly more attack level. Though with full r9 you lose flexibility of fists so chi becomes a problem for demon bms. So I still haven't made up my made up my mind about going full r9 or just 2 pieces with full jades..

Ehh, I had a feeling you would pick that build lol, I try to avoid that build as much as possible and look for alternatives because of the amount of coin needed to attain it. I basically have to replace ALL my gear and start from scratch lol. I notice your current pants/boots are +11 JOSD as well. Do you have plans to toss aside your +11 pants and boots for R9? It's still something that kills me to think of tossing away my HR boots and NV pants. Your stuff probably cost more than mine so you must know what it feels like to outfit such already epic gear and the amount of farming/merchanting needed to get it too.

And also, do you consider full R9 normal PK gear? Or just TW gear? TW gear is nice and all, but only happens once a week, heh. 2 pieces r9 with 3.33 aps base seems more fit to be considered PK gear as you may swap just axe/fist instead of like 6 pieces. Kinda lets you use the best of both worlds somewhat. The full R9 for TW is already a given, but would you think is it also ideal for normal PK? It forces you to wield axes only, maybe the 2 set piece would be considered the middle ground balance between the two?

May I also ask what genie you use to kill another HA with axes? OI, fortify, TM, AD, ww I assume? Along with HF? The thought of using axes against another HA makes my eyes twitch... It still screams utter stupidity to me because I'm not used to having high attack level, I'm so used to DBB CH or DBB GS CC... old habits die hard. I haven't axe dph spammed another HA since GXes way back when. And that was with bramble rage / lightning lolz. But I find axe spamming useful against r9 psys.

Lol, I hadn't planned on G16 neck because it's a big step up from 300M to 900M for a measly 2 more attack / def. I would probably +12 the R9 before thinking about getting a G16 neck. That'd probably be at least 2-3 more months of merchanting before I would even think of the G16 neck.

I really like the R9 ring though, I know it's not part of set bonus but the adds of the ring are sexy. I usually just demon bell for more phys def so I don't worry too much about losing a little phys def.

The sad thing is that the whole R9 thing didn't appeal to me until after CC was nerfed... I was supposed to be 'done' with my gears long ago. And I fear by the time I finish my R9 set they will come out with R10 and my gear will never be 'done' haha.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

So in short

"Let the rank 9 mages kill everything and pretend to be usefull"

Fun fact, past the first 2 rank 9 armor items theres really no large boost to survivability over your current g15/16 gear. Full rank 9 is about DPH more than survival. And honestly, a rank 9 mage or FF veno hell even a fully buffed cleric. Will have more survivability vs physical spike than vs physical DPS or magical spike. The only class "weak" to phys spike when geared to your level is psys, and they're not so much weak vs phys spike as overpoweringly resistant to anything else.

In a mass map pvp situation being able to swap between chi building+DPS and spike/support is far more usefull than the...1% crit? or...+10 attack levels? granted by the 3rd or 4th set add. in TW? Ya just go full rank 9.

2 - Def. LV +10
3 - Critical Hit Rate +1%
4 - Att. LV +10
5 - Def. LV +10
6 - Att. LV +20

Yeah those are some useless set bonuses, no useful survivability at all in those. Not to mention R9 gives more pdef, more mres and more HP than any other possible armor in PWI. Is aps more useful than dph at certain times and for chi-building? Uh yeah, does that mean R9 isn't still your best gear option the rest of the time? No.

I agree with almost nothing you've said above, it makes absolutely no sense lol. Your attitude towards others doesn't help either. Then again this is just imo and everyone is fully entitled to their own.

On a STR genie if you had to choose one of the following, which would it be?

10 Lawbreaker
10 Break Paralyze(Remove Paralysis)
or 1 Fortify

?

Rest of the skills would be;

10 Domain
1 Whirlwind
10 Occult Ice
10 TE
10 Tangling Mire (or one of the above)

1v1, fortify or sins will gut you

mass pvp...what are you doing with a str geni there?

If it's for 1v1s, you only need 1 or the other. Law breaker against mages/psys, fortify against bm/barb/sin. I wouldn't delete mire. If you can help it, an 81+ LP genie is ideal.

Break paralyze is mostly for mass pvp air fights when dropping down, the only times you can't leap is while falling/jumping. But you can most likely tank it if it's just 1v1 at half damage.

Lol, what were you expecting? It wasn't a 6v6v6v6, we got Gang Banged by a faction and their alt faction in the PWIC, 12v6, had it been a straight up 6v6 instead of FFA it would've been more interesting, but yeah I been using def charms at 105.

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Calvin - Lost City wrote: »

I wanna see other beast bm post their genie and discuss lol

lately, I fight mages with my vit build faith genie. it sux big time fighting mages

no ice to lock, only faith to break/immune seal, 0dex ws to tank

o me put immune metal on my last slot cuz Instinct has many r9 EAs, 3force has many EPs, and vengeful has quite a few scary r8 seekers, r9 eas.
so no immune seal to fight mages and letting them to control me at this point.
kinda miss my str genie for world pvp, but it kinda sux in TW tbh haha
havn't try out dex genie yet, I think a 100dex genie would be pretty decent in world pvp as survival and TW, but dex genie not as agressive as str genie in world pvp...b:angry$$ still a problem for peasantz like me..b:surrenderb:cry

Demon bm's can just use whirlwind as a filler between roar and bash instead of OI leaveing the dex geni open for defensive skills

Sage bm's have to large of a gap to really capitalize but it might work *shrug*

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

I put Heart of Steel back on my STR genie. I got really tired of getting sleep, debuff, triple spark, one shot, when domain's on c/d or not charged. I haven't been on enough to test if it resists Seal of the God fully, and hopefully it does. BTW does Lawbreaker break the Seal of God? My fight with R9 Cleric can be summed up by, run in with WoB, gets sealed, follow them around while waiting for seal to wear off, slept before seal is up, debuff, nuke, I domain, they Holy Path run around for a few seconds then sealed + freezed again, sleep, debff, GG.

AD does not resist seal

Lawbreaker and will surge do resist/remove seal of the gods seal effect but not the freeze

I like wind sheild vs the sleep>nuke combo, full on resisting the metal skill leaves me stunned so i just pop a 25% damage reduction and tank the sh*t.

Another tactic is OI at the end of SOTG's seal time, most clerics will punch seal and think "Woo i'm safe!" Just keep smack ready in case they badge out of it