GV delta with Mystics

Maybe they want BoA or DB?, where it deals constant dmg?

ArchAngeLi - Harshlands wrote: »

It would be nice if people actually knew that Mystics are better than archers and most seekers in GV

I was reading it seriously until that.
You just returned the exact same attitude they had for you, back on other classes. Rank8 Mystic VS rank9 +10 archer in celestial BoA? or when rank9 is released for seekers?
A more valid point would have been to say the interchangability is there between the various classes, and people should be more open to subbing in different classes in traditional roles. They booted you because of a blind "archer is better than you" attitude, and you just came here and said "Mystics are better than archers and seekers".
There's a lot to consider in the argument, and variables will determine whether one specific person is more suited than another. Not flat out "Mystics are best", or "Seekers are best".
Coming in here complaining about an attitude someone has against your class, then doing the exact same thing to other classes is........b:puzzled

The beauty of constant aoe is they're guaranteed to take aggro from cleric regardless if the person is afk or lagging. You can have a gm cape and all, but it's useless if there's no damage coming because the person isn't there because of some sort of emergency.

ArchAngeLi - Harshlands wrote: »

You would have a point but as I said in the first post, they preferred a r8 +5 archer instead. That's the issue at hand. I said "most of the times", do you even pay attention to the sentences you read?

Obviuoysly, a good refined r9 would outdamage whatever. 94 attack levels much? , no one argues with that.

Read carefully again.

I was reading it correctly...and thats why I was taking it seriously. Until it turned into Mystics > Archers/seekers. You had all good points, and I get it completely. So why throw that attitude in it?

Mystics are better than archers/seekers in GV, mainly because one cragglord aoe is roughly equivalent to 7-8 ticks of BoA or Dragon's Breath. Granted, the aoe range is much smaller, so a lot of it depends on how well the mystic can multi-task healing the cragg (because it WILL be tanking the mobs instead of the barb) and positioning the cragg for the best aoe.

When I do GV the rest of the squad doesn't even bother to do anything for the first wave, since I can easily solo them all.

Constant AoE is overrated. People think 2 ticks of something weak is better than 1 tick of something strong since it looks like its doing "more".

I've been denied in "special" FC as well, even though I can take off 60% of a dragoon wave's hp in one aoe after HF. But people would rather have constant aoe ticks taking off 10% every 3 seconds.

Niner - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe they want BoA or DB?, where it deals constant dmg?

Neither of those can reduce time in a full delta run by as much as 45 minutes like a single mystic can. Hell, I've been in a full run where the cleric d/c'd from wave 5 to the beginning of wave 9, with zero deaths thanks to 1 single mystic.

If there's one class specifically designed for GV, it's the mystic.

IceWolf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So u dont know much about your archer. At stun waves u should start boa, long time before your mobs arriving, then get back spark with cloud erruption, after if mobs stun u, then Elven Alacrity and BoA again (Cooldown already over if u started boa in time and not at last sec). Pretty easy. Ohhh yes if u dont know anything else just boa that is a problem. And btw STA and Thunderous Blast are good aoe skills too.

/facepalm

Edit: Ooh, ninja'd you deleting your own post.

Well anyway - as many said and know - the reason why mystics and venos have a hard time finding squads is cause lets say 80% dont know how to use their class and just plain suck in a squad. (They still can be decent solo players...) -> People are prejudiced...

Same goes with sins for example. There are many sins out there which arent really the kindest type of person which is one reason why many hate them (beside aps and stealth). Or clerics - since the new generation seems to use constant squad heal instead of ih/wellspring and co...

Just deal with it, go on runs with your friends who know what your capable of and have some fun ^^

ArchAngeLi - Harshlands wrote: »

We were talking about Special FCs (*nudge nudge wink wink* kinda of FCs), not GV. Even so, STA and Blast do **** damage on [?] mobs, not to mention blasts long *** casting time. You don't know much about reading and comprehensive skills b:thanks

EDIT: nvm I guess you deleted ur post bc u realized ur mistake hehe.

Sharptooth arrow does 15% damage to all mobs if its the first hit. Thats about 80k worth of damage on some mobs in RB. Demon tooth will give a 10% crit bonus for 15 seconds as well while sage does 20% hp.

The real strategy for archer on a stun wave is to first cast wings of grace for 15s of stun immunity, then sharp tooth for 15% hp debuff and the crit buff, then open barrage. When the stun immunity wears off you can just use expel and barrage will stay up for another 9 seconds.

ArchAngeLi - Harshlands wrote: »

Ast u must be r9 +12 by now so u can just faceroll keyboard and waves should be dead before heaven flames wear off. We were talkin about *nudge nudge wink wink* jail boss anyway.

I wasn't always r9+12

fideldi wrote: »

Well anyway - as many said and know - the reason why mystics and venos have a hard time finding squads is cause lets say 80% dont know how to use their class and just plain suck in a squad. (They still can be decent solo players...) -> People are prejudiced...

Same goes with sins for example. There are many sins out there which arent really the kindest type of person which is one reason why many hate them (beside aps and stealth). Or clerics - since the new generation seems to use constant squad heal instead of ih/wellspring and co...

Just deal with it, go on runs with your friends who know what your capable of and have some fun ^^

Problem is that: Neither class is better than another in any instance.... it depends on what the player brings to the table. But most of our players in pwi are sorta brainless. Almost all of the new characters that are being created are hypered from 20 to 100 in less than a month. Many dont max skills until 100 or dont have decent gear until rank. And as they only care about culti, probably they dont even know how to engage in pve.

Venos are wonderful because they have purge... but a veno not using constant purge in bosses is almost like not having it. Same thing, a purge level 1 or 3 isnt as good as if it was maxed. I still remember the times in which venos in TT told me they didnt use purge because going to fox form will tick their mp charms... O.o

Im pretty sure a LA mystic doesnt deal as much damage as a pure magic mystic, however there is still people that believes that being pure magic is equal to being squisshy, so they go LA.

As many of us do, most GV squads are found through Worldchat. Which means that people usually dont know who they party with. And as we know already having good gear or high refined weapon doesnt mean the player is skillful or even clever enough to use their skills in good way or in the right time.

Im pretty sure that 80% of mystics out there wouldnt be quick enough or smart enough to use all the skills they could in GV. The fact that you could use them doesnt mean your class is better than the average seeker or archer... just means that you put some brains to it.

So please dont make a thread stating that mystics are better than most archers or seekers, when it depends 100% on what the player put to the character they have.

EDIT: If you dont wanna be kicked out of squads just team up with people that knows you and know what you are capable of doing or with your faction mates... (You still have a faction right?)