Fox form skill available on melee weps
turg14
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What do you think this would make PURE meelee venos FINALLY available
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fist/claw venos? no thankyou.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0
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Veno's do not have human form passives (fist mastery) or buffs (barb poison fang, barb strength of the titans, archer blazing arrow) to aid in their damage with fists. If you are going to do APS use a magic sword and mimic an archer/sin LA -int setup w/HA orns as much as a veno can (without -int wep, without -int chest), roughly 2.22. It also gives you flexibility to switch to caster gear with no substantial difference in magic attack from an arcane versus a quite noticeable HA or HA/AA build.0
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My understanding from the threads talking about the veno foxform exploit is that it would actually be too good.
Even WITHOUT skills and sparks it's comparable to a fist BM.
Besides, the world needs fewer twitching morons, not more.0 -
LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »fist/claw venos? no thankyou.
ok I think you all are confused There are so much venos around there that wants to be PURE fox form like me and they have to mess up with F.UCKING mag stats to buy decent magic sword cuz the skill is only available with magic weapons.b:surrender so if you could do the skill with meelee wepon it would be awesome dont you think?
and the pet survavility? Uh, I dont CARE if I can tank things by myself
and the magic damage? again Im talking about PURE fox form. Even the PWI official website veno description says: They can invest A LOT on strenght to take adventage of fox form so Make the skill available with meelee weapons and I will do it meanwhile we have to restat in 90 to make a heavy armor veno. 0 -
ok I think you all are confused There are so much venos around there that wants to be PURE fox form like me and they have to mess up with F.UCKING mag stats to buy decent magic sword cuz the skill is only available with magic weapons.b:surrender so if you could do the skill with meelee wepon it would be awesome dont you think?
and the pet survavility? Uh, I dont CARE if I can tank things by myself and the magic damage? again Im talking about PURE fox form. Even the PWI official website veno description says: They can invest A LOT on strenght to take adventage of fox form so Make the skill available with meelee weapons and I will do it meanwhile we have to restat in 90 to make a heavy armor veno.
Why making a magic class in first place then ? Where is the thread about PURE FIST Cleric/Wizzard i wanna check those one too b:shocked0 -
yes and no
yes because venos may actually become more useful in things like nirvana
no because then every veno would have to live up to the standards of other people even more so than they already do, which would be herc AND 5 aps.
i lean more towards no.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
TreeHugs - Lv. 101 Demon Rank 8 Mystic
vixter - Lv. 101 Demon Heavy Rank 8 Venomancer0 -
TreeHugs - Harshlands wrote: »yes and no
yes because venos may actually become more useful in things like nirvana
no because then every veno would have to live up to the standards of other people even more so than they already do, which would be herc AND 5 aps.
i lean more towards no.
Veno Demon spark doesn't give attack rate bonus, the max Veno can be is 4.0 .0 -
Kurushimii - Sanctuary wrote: »Veno Demon spark doesn't give attack rate bonus, the max Veno can be is 4.0 .
oh true ... well, getting 4 aps is still a good chunk of money though.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
TreeHugs - Lv. 101 Demon Rank 8 Mystic
vixter - Lv. 101 Demon Heavy Rank 8 Venomancer0 -
.. not to mention pointless for a veno.
One doesn't have to go out of their way to do minimal dmg in human form (presuming not glitching) when they can just do 2.22 APS via fox form using a magic sword, having the time+damage saving convenience of being in fox form to amp and myriad rather than, with fists, switch to a magic weapon, go to fox form, amp, wait for cd on fox form button, finally back to human form, switch back to fists, autoattack.
It is quite a detriment to rely heavily on human form fist method when the damage output for magic weapons is significant and comes with natural passives to increase damage, accuracy, and phys def. This is one of those cases where, if one feels they must use fists, they should defer to another class that can use fists and have the buffs/passives to increase their own damage output with them. Of course, glitching fox form is bannable, and people are going to see your fox going ape****, look at your info, and screenshot you using fists in fox form and splat, there goes your veno. I like the idea of making this legal at some point but I won't complain simply because it doesn't make sense to be able to go into fox form without a magic weapon.0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »I like the idea of making this legal at some point but I won't complain simply because it doesn't make sense to be able to go into fox form without a magic weapon.
yes that... it would be the same if it was cleric being able to heal/debuff while using fist no ?
4.0 APS Cleric LF nirvana squad b:shocked You wont see any clericless squad anymore b:pleased0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: ».. not to mention pointless for a veno.
One doesn't have to go out of their way to do minimal dmg in human form (presuming not glitching) when they can just do 2.22 APS via fox form using a magic sword, having the time+damage saving convenience of being in fox form to amp and myriad rather than, with fists, switch to a magic weapon, go to fox form, amp, wait for cd on fox form button, finally back to human form, switch back to fists, autoattack.
It is quite a detriment to rely heavily on human form fist method when the damage output for magic weapons is significant and comes with natural passives to increase damage, accuracy, and phys def. This is one of those cases where, if one feels they must use fists, they should defer to another class that can use fists and have the buffs/passives to increase their own damage output with them. Of course, glitching fox form is bannable, and people are going to see your fox going ape****, look at your info, and screenshot you using fists in fox form and splat, there goes your veno. I like the idea of making this legal at some point but I won't complain simply because it doesn't make sense to be able to go into fox form without a magic weapon.
Again (tries to calm down) I am NOT talking about foxes using weapons, that is freakin stupid Im talking about to be able to transform to fox form while you are using meelee weapons and plz dont mix clerics with this, clerics phys attacks canot be compared to venos fox form ones (I know they have some but they RELY on their magic damage so theres no problem with using magic weapons) You dont see the problem. Heavy armor is described as useless just by 1 reason THIS the ..... weapon requirement for fox form0 -
Why stop there? Why not go for blood paint, alter marrow, invoke, HF, etc? According to many; PW would gobble this idea right up because it would sell reset scrolls, hypers, etc. If you're not happy with your class: re-roll. I did that when I was bothered by playing a Wiz. Thing is: I still play that wiz! Different classes offer different opportunities and variations in game play. Veno is one of the most dynamic already.0
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Ok - you're not talking about using weapons in fox form, but you are talking about changing to foxform whilst using a weapon.
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That makes no sense at all.
One thing I can potentially see as being interesting would be a magic sword with very very low magic requirement, but much higher strength than usual - and almost no magic attack.
Edit: And it IS annoying that we can't have bloodpaint, that we are treated as a pure arcane class when we are actually a hybrid.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok - you're not talking about using weapons in fox form, but you are talking about changing to foxform whilst using a weapon.
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That makes no sense at all.
One thing I can potentially see as being interesting would be a magic sword with very very low magic requirement, but much higher strength than usual - and almost no magic attack.
Edit: And it IS annoying that we can't have bloodpaint, that we are treated as a pure arcane class when we are actually a hybrid.
Ok I actually understand you dont want that a VENO change her form whilst using a melee weapon, it would be so silly to see a thing changing form without a magic weapon...well.. I dont wanted to mix other classes to this but their counterparts BARBARIANS can do it, dont start to blame at me like: so why to roll a magic class then? (silly >.>) the problem is that venos arent just a magic class we are an hybrid yeah we are an hybrid actually we could do more with this part of us. I just wanted to say that, WE COULD DO MORE WITH THIS PART OF US. But you got more experience ingame than me so I shut up, no more quotes the poll is closed right now well...However I dont wanted more QQ's about venos being more 'overpowered' (which I dont think) so ty for your opinions and I like the idea of
the magic sword you should suggest it on a thread (however Gm's WOULD not listen to you but do it) 0 -
You... still haven't actually made sense. What is it that you are asking for?0
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Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »You... still haven't actually made sense. What is it that you are asking for?
Just do the thread and forget about me b:laugh
Oh and I play on Dreamweaver
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the problem is that venos arent just a magic class we are an hybrid yeah we are an hybrid actually we could do more with this part of us
LOL How long are you playing Veno ? No really ? Most of Veno foxform melee attack are just debuffs except leech (which help you recover HP) . Are you going to say with melee weapon you will use skills ???
Spark + auto attack... spark + auto attack b:bye0 -
Kurushimii - Sanctuary wrote: »LOL How long are you playing Veno ? No really ? Most of Veno foxform melee attack are just debuffs except leech (which help you recover HP) . Are you going to say with melee weapon you will use skills ???
Spark + auto attack... spark + auto attack b:bye
OH COME ON PPL I THOUGHT YOU WERE MORE INTELLIGENT REALLY FOR THE LASTTIME I DONT WANT TO USE FOX FORM SKILLS ON HUMAN FORM I I JUST WANT TO USE THE FOX FORM I WANT TO USE IT WITHOUT RELYING ON MAGIC WEAPOOOOOOOOONS!!!!!!!! b:shutupb:angry0 -
Um... no one has said that you'd be in human form.
You. Make. No. Sense.
And at this point I must reluctantly decide that you are trolling.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Um... no one has said that you'd be in human form.
You. Make. No. Sense.
And at this point I must reluctantly decide that you are trolling.
b:surrender guess you're right0 -
level a veno to 100, reset to HA + fist build, get 2 lunar phys rings for accuracy, be a mindless fister, you wont be able to get mastery bonus in human, or accuracy bonus in human (hence the rings) but you will be able to fist spark 4.0 (5.0 with windshield) and can equip a magic weapon to go to fox to debuff, if you just want to mindless fist in fox and do nothing else, you can do that too.
if you want to use magic skills without a magic weapons in fox while wearing a magic weapon too bad. they arent going to re-write the class to fit a specialized and almost useless build. the equipment locking in fox is actually a protection against this, because although you can glich-equip you cant remove stat items to make the weapon red-unequipped.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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b:surrender0
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here fixed for you http://pwcalc.com/26a15bffa7a87c27 0
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pointless build posting is pointless[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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The PW devs are lazzy, just look at the earthguards, they have the same hair pattern than tideborns, and the same collor palette, they won't will make this change for Venos.
I find the gameplay in fox form very fun, more than spam one skill and heal your pet, I understood your point so let me try to explain:
1. The dude want to deal significant damage in fox form.
2. The dude does not want to put useless points in Int, so he can split into Vit like another regular melee class.
But you forgot that Veno in fox have:
+hit improvement (for your MAGIC Veno don't spend points into Dex for hit, since magic weapons don't require Dex like every melee weapon);
-MP reduction (for your MAGIC Venon, don't have a infinite supply of mana, since melee classes don't invest in Int, they did a good job balancing this);
+melee increase mastery (for you extract more damage from the weak magic weapons)
I follow the light build, I wear Str rings, since I don't care too much about my Matk (I depend on critics), my Veno have a good ammount of melee damage, that most of the full Cons doesn't not have, cause they have a full magic setup and says that out melee damage sucks.
But for the PW standard, where people that do damage are the ones that hit faster, our fox build became kinda pointless, like happened with a lot of classes (WB, Magic users, etc), so I understand your point. I'm making a Mystic and I really don't see other classes training than Seeker, Mystic and Assassin.0
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