Dead instances :O
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OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »As long as the lurer/tanker hits the entire group of mobs on the real bh so the runners doesn't interrupt bb, they don't really even need to defend at all. Besides, isn't it more fun to kill together than soloing?
I'm pretty sure the point of the thread is no squads are running the "dead" instances. Yet you're telling them to go solo.
The 1st part of running a full warsong entails defending each of the elemental pavilions. Each one spawns mobs of a certain element, thus it is best to send the most effective person to counteract said element to the pavilion.
........ not knowing how to run a "complete" instance Fuzzy would suspect is another symptom of it being "dead". b:surrender
edit: ...or at least in Warsong's case, 1 step away from it.0 -
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You have to do the pavilions in order to do a full Warsong. But there's really no point to doing a full Warsong when you can just farm the money for a badge in less time than it'd take to farm all the mats to make the belt.
This is honestly the problem with quite a few instances.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bypass the 3m fee? Ever try trophy mode? It's a fun way to spend a few mirage (pretty damn cheap compared to 3m for the MP mode) and you still get the mats.. .....oh wait.... Fuzzy forgot.... people are under the impression that Lunar trophy is either broken or impossible even with the current state of end-game gear. Shame on them.
The 3 bosses in Lunar TM each drop only one mat unlike the normal lunar which can drop much more for bosses. I ran some runs with groups of friends (4-6 person) with nirvana gear equipments, and it was hell of a challenge, fun at first few times, but not much of a reward at the end. Not something an average random wc for squad can accomplish well. I would say that a full r9 squad is needed to complete the instance under the time frame to get the gold medal. So Lunar TM is not for everyone to farm effectively.0 -
full warsong is fun, ijs. also fuzzy ty for the lunar info can you do bh in tm?0
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HEALERKIZNA - Heavens Tear wrote: »full warsong is fun, ijs. also fuzzy ty for the lunar info can you do bh in tm?
No. If you want to kill Hauntry Queen opening the MP mode is the only way to summon her/him/it.0 -
ty fuzzy for the fast reply0
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Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »I would say that a full r9 squad is needed to complete the instance under the time frame to get the gold medal.
You don't need a full r9 squad to get gold, but it's still damn hard. With the state of gear you'd need to run it effectively though, the majority of the people in the squad would probably already have the capes (or something better) anyway.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Is gear the only reason people run instances anymore? b:puzzled
You're missing my point. I didn't say that's the only reason to do it. I am just mentioning that, given more incentives, more people will do it. The OP's post asked a fairly specific question. "What to do? How to bring them back to life?" I gave an answer and used warsong eexample to precede it.
You can talk all you want about doing things for fun (and I agree, frankly you vastly out-gear me), but instances (most of them, anyway) are meant to have rewards as well. The reason warsong was placed was for a challenge to endgamers and the chance at good rewards. In every single MMO I've played it is that way. It reminds me of another MMO dealing with a world all about craft of making war where people raid to get gear so they can better raid...
Is it circular? Certainly! Is it pointless? Absolutely! But, to some, it's enjoyable. Why take that away from them as well? Would you rather the devs put an instance in with zero rewards and great challenges, or an instance with great rewards to match great challenges?Then again, maybe it is seeing as how actually knowing your class actually means nothing these days.
I am not sure if this is a general comment or a slight at me. I think it's the former, but I blame the late hour (and mild drinking) on not being able to discern which.Heaven forbid actually trying to defend one.. or two.. or all of them. Trying to defend a pavilion that doesn't oppose your element damage? The panda is shocked! Who would ever attempt such insanity! Forbid the idea that trying to push your character to achieve something might be fun!
Every BH I've done defends, but maybe that's just my group of friends...If it doesn't earn coin or OP gear well... perish the thought... there must be no point! That alone must make an instance useless!
Again, wasn't my point...Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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No one does alpha, beta, gamma. No one does phoenix valley. Half the FBs are very rarely run. Cube arena is dead.
There is just no reason to run those instances. Gold prices + need to have good gear means that in order to really play this game you pretty much have to be thinking 24/7 "what's the most profitable thing to do to acheive my goal?"
Nirvana, TT, and FC are the only instances run frequently. BH100 instances are done fairly commonly. The rest are almost unheard of. Because no matter what the instance is, Nirvana, TT, and FC would be more effective.
If you want to complain.. blame the developers. The fact of the matter is new event/rank gears are FAR ahead of everything that came before. If you want to be competitive, you HAVE to have them. And thanks to 1.3mil+ gold prices, getting those gears means you have to be thinking about profit 100% of the time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Equin - Dreamweaver wrote: »does anyone do lunar anymore?
I only do it for BH when someone fronts the whole 3mil fee for the squad. Only 2 people on DW actually do this though, both veno's.Some people risk to employ me
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The bottom line is there must be SOME incentive to do the instance:
Either - good drops; good xp/sp; good coin; good fun; stepping stone to something
I do lots of different things that no one else does, because the 'fun' aspect for me, is seeing what I can solo with my herc.
However, some instances have none of these. The very best example is phoenix valley. I ran one with a squad a couple days ago on my 46 psychic just to test out my char(I soloed pv first time/last time on my herc veno). At the conclusion of the instance every member was asking what the next step is and I had to point out that it was all done. They were, of course, very disappointed. No drops/bad xp gain/monotonous - its totally pointless. You get more xp and coin/drops from grinding normal mobs. Everyone probably does pv once.
For any instance that is now dead, the devs need to add something to it, to get people back in there. Imagine if in pv, every mob dropped a fairy box instead of nothing. The place would be full of squadders constantly. Im not suggesting they do that, ijs.....0 -
MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »...
However, some instances have none of these. The very best example is phoenix valley. I ran one with a squad a couple days ago on my 46 psychic just to test out my char(I soloed pv first time/last time on my herc veno). At the conclusion of the instance every member was asking what the next step is and I had to point out that it was all done. They were, of course, very disappointed. No drops/bad xp gain/monotonous - its totally pointless. You get more xp and coin/drops from grinding normal mobs. Everyone probably does pv once.
For any instance that is now dead, the devs need to add something to it, to get people back in there. Imagine if in pv, every mob dropped a fairy box instead of nothing. The place would be full of squadders constantly. Im not suggesting they do that, ijs.....
I saw it at 30+ level.
Mob near mob, again mob near mob, etc.
Since it was first (and last) time when I was at phoenix valley, I had been standing inside crowd of mobs when they suddenly shown around my Cleric.
Good, that I was in squad with my Venomancer, so she was able to kill mobs around me, then I had to use scroll to ressurent (never used it before since moment when got it as reward from quest).0 -
Totally agree on nix valley. Completely and utterly unfun. Just kill the same few mobs over and over.
At least with one-man-army I can stop and get a bit of interest by harvesting some herbs, or being mildly excited wondering what the 'unknown' on a drop will turn out to be.
Nothing like that in PV, other than "Will I get booted out of the instance at random and be unable to re-enter?"0 -
FF kill the majority of the instances..FB hell no just do culti when u lvl fb's arent needed...they need to just go ahead and take portions of the map out since they are bare as hell and people just run or be carried to snowy village anyways.This game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
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As much as people say and reiterate how profit/gear and high lvl's rule that playing field it isn't JUST that.
The thing me and my husband encountered ALL the time and that is without a joke, We were NEVER refused into a squad because of our lack of high end gear but were refused on our lack of Expierence!
Were labled nabcakes and Hyperbabies if we were only half way our sentence of "No, i'm not exp but... *receives the boot out of squad* am more than willing to learn"
I've made a similair thread about it a few months ago how unfair it was to expect people to KNOW how an instance is supposed to be run without anyone ever letting them in there.
The responces i got from that were various. Up to: "invest in rank and no one will care about your skill"
To: " find friends and run it like all the veterans did and figure it out yourself"
Up to the most ridiculous one: "look on youtube and learn!"........ not knowing how to run a "complete" instance Fuzzy would suspect is another symptom of it being "dead". b:surrender
Fun ? Ofcourse instances can be fun to run, IF it wasn't so flippen uneven, fact of the matter is, as Rawrgh already stated, Everything revolves around Quickest profit cause lets face it the way Pw is cranking every little thing up to the point you can only obtain it by selling your liver on ebay, not to mention how greedy people have NEED to become with prices as they are it's almost a second job to keep rolling an mediocre toon. (*Mediocre toon being, decent refines, up to par and non rank)
And dont give me the " faction mates/friends" attitude cause 90% of the people that run a mediocre toon got there by thinking one and single thing. -Quick fix money/exp or be left behind-
We get what your trying to say, we really do. But what you are not seeing is, it isn't Old school PW anymore. The length a toon can go has changed and evolved to a point the old methods do not work anymore to what the game mechanics and anthics have become.
Expecting the player base to revert to a golden days old practice is just old fishermans latin that falls on deaf ears.All you need is something to believe in. -Solar_one. <-- mah snoockums, mah hubby, mah eberyfing. 
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The thing is with Rebirth........is that people suddenly want to learn and go when their Chrono quest chain bring them to it, with the Sori Scramble quest.
One other thing to do, besides adding incentives, is change the flow of the culti to force people into earlier rebirths. Gamma at the very least should be run by people in that range. If you get forced in via culti, and not a regular quest (otherwise you can't learn skills), then people are forced to at least learn it. Its sad of the notion of forcing people into these places just to learn them......but 100 and just finding out what RB is, is not good.
As for FC........even if it was reverted back to its original form, who would farm it? It would die. In general I find people don't really care for FC gears (except for things like the gold bow and axe), why? Because they don't follow a path to APS gear. So FC would most certainly die if reverted.
Rather than that, it should be changed to reflect the levels in squad, with squad ranges of 71-80, 81-90, 91-100, 101+ or something similar.
You MUST be in the range to open the gate, and every person in squad gets an item that is 100% untradable/unstashable that has a 4 hour limit that lets u back in THAT specific instance with that squad (in case of d/c). After the gate is open, noone else can join the instance due to not having that item, so no highers/lowers sneaking in. And the mob levels inside spawn based on the squad range, and also increase boss difficulty as level range goes up.
This is similar to Nix Valley, is it not? I am not really familiar with Nix Valley, so I dunno.
FC doesn't need to be removed.......it just needs to be set up properly IMO.0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Why does nobody do those instances anymore? Because the only instances anyone cares about anymore are FF (usually to abuse it) and Nirvana.
And why is that? Because the devs made it entirely possible to be max lvl with the "best" gear without ever experiencing half the game content, and people fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. -_-
Also, more people should do the snake isle mount race, ijs. >_>
What's the snake isle mount race, you ask? Exactly. <_<
=o tbh i didnt even knew it still existed0 -
To many people ask for "experience people", that's what takes away some of the players from doing rebirth order. That and not many people know what to heck to do, and...i'm contradicting myself..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Move along..move along0
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It's the same way in any game. In WoW, nobody kills Jaden anymore for the legendary bow. The only difference here is that there is no real barriers where you see what is relevant and not. WS belts aren't top of the line cuz of r9, everyone seems to use TT gear for NV, PV lol, that seemed like an xp instance from the moment they put it in.0
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Why are instances dead.....Because all you need is a credit card and turn your new level 1 into lvl 100 in 2 weeks so why bother going to fb19 to 99.
You can get fb done while on bh's if needed for culti why bother with quest when u can FC for 500k per heads?
Instances before hypers and FC was always busy lots of wc"Squad doin fb19-99"
and for no coin just to get the rep and exp and then go run some Rebirths for frags and exp that was fun and instances use but its the new PWI where credit card first player second hey why not have anni packs ooow they sold well let keep them forever BOOM
there goes farming.
Instance used to be farmed even for a nice 3* to sell or use and if a mold dropped it was great now people npc 3* and mold due to nobody want to buy them so hence why nobody farms fb's anymore.
Warsong dead due to no point trying to make a warsong belt(PACKS)and no point trying to get warsong weapon might aswer get R9 is just as good for alot less coin.
Cube not dead as such people still like to get the 1mill exp and a chance of a 1m or 5m card as for room 60 cost to much might aswell buy necklace from catshop.
So in my mind most of the problems are by packs it took the farming out the game and the rep sale took fb's out the game and FC took the exp out the game Hmmmm all due to PWI wanting even more money.0 -
Amencat - Sanctuary wrote: »A lot of people ingame dont even know what Rebirth-Instances are (No one ever does Alpha-Beta-runs, very rare people try to find Gamma/Delta squads)
SOS HELP MAKE IT SOMEHOW MORE POPULAR b:surrender
What about cube-arena? Allways totaly empty b:sad
I Play this game since a long time and never had the opportunity to try it out couse no one does.
The Arena-Npc in the large cities is still not implemented, but now they made a theater of blood which is only a R9 playground b:shedtear
Those dayly events, as far as i know noone really does them, people only gather there to pk
You know any other instances which died?
What to do? How to bring them back to life? Anyone has vampire blood? XD
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Juliaasmith - Dreamweaver wrote: »PPL are always looking for Delta squads on the Dreamweaver server!
And all of us DW barbs have signed a secret pact to avoid doing Delta for random people. Some people risk to employ me
Some people live to destroy me
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I know what happens to the dead instances, they haunt my dreams!
No seriously, last night I had a dream in which I went into what my dream-self thought was Rebirth.. (I've never been in RB before xD) with like 7 other people. Everyone used bows, and I was told off for not using one too. Then there was a giant army of mobs surrounding my presumed squadmates and I, before they started beating the **** out of me with a shoe. Specifically, a leather boot.
I am now scared to find out what Rebirth is actually like.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Vedovis - Lost City wrote: »I know what happens to the dead instances, they haunt my dreams!
No seriously, last night I had a dream in which I went into what my dream-self thought was Rebirth.. (I've never been in RB before xD) with like 7 other people. Everyone used bows, and I was told off for not using one too. Then there was a giant army of mobs surrounding my presumed squadmates and I, before they started beating the **** out of me with a shoe. Specifically, a leather boot.
I am now scared to find out what Rebirth is actually like.
Pretty much that, minus the shoes.Some people risk to employ me
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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »I like to do Lunars and try other instances for fun too, but with about 1/16 of that condescending attitude.
Thing is, Pve on this game is boring for the most part. What's fun about it to me is talking to my friends and running around doing crazy things while im at it. People abandoned these instances because they are less efficient ways of getting gear/exp. They aren't usually very fun to them. They can be fun under conditions, however I still see no validity in taking the LC gangsta tone about your pve matters. For the time it takes you to farm a warsong belt, you could have probably farmed enough money from other instances to buy one already refined decently, cheaper than it would have cost to make one. You think people can just pop 5mil out for charms/repairs etc just because you want them to do an instance that will give them less of what they want and take them a longer time to do it because you think they should think its fun? Clearly, YOU think it's fun and so are willing to give the time, but speaking on such a tone about other players based solely on your preference is unnecessary. No, many players do not think pve is fun. So why would they do these instances?
well i'll be. someone else noticed.
i would have bl'd/blocked/ignored him long ago if i could. dude irritates me. unfortunately i have to read his attitude laced drivel. is this a legitimate reason to file a ticket?
grow up, set your ego aside and JUST do your job. holy ****.0 -
Try to find a Delta as Cleric
Whenever you see someone shout they always have a cleric. The only easy deltas you get are the BH waves. Randoms dont want to help with Cultivation and the Summoner Bots are ignored. Nobody have an idea when and how to loot effectively bones and the Squads who do full runs dont take in someone else not on their FL / Fac.
Lunar is too expensive, yeah i know pwi want monney sinks and monney sinks are desperatly needed to reduce the inflation but the stuff you get out isnt worth the fee. the only advantage of lunar gear is that it make non bound nirvana gear. On the oposite the TT gear gives superior defence in the case you recive a debuff.
Mold drops from most bosses are allready outdated and not longer desireable. Most bosses arn't killed anymore only the BH Bosses. They should expand the BH range to all bosses. Why just 1 boss for bh I or bh II at 100+ why not 3 random bosses (in the same dungeon) covering all bosses inside to finish bh I and slightly raise the reward ?
I always ask in warsong to kill all bosses for that stupid quest, nobody ever want to to this.
Nobody ever want to def a pavilion.
Its sad, most time im bored and running fc to sell heads over and over. If it weren't for the
fun i have to make coins by mercanting i would probably play another game allready.
I wish harshland had a faction with good geared non profit orientated player who set their mind to master all dungeons and just go into an instance to measure their skills and look for profit as second.I hate Room 380 -
Manostra - Harshlands wrote: »Try to find a Delta as Cleric
Whenever you see someone shout they always have a cleric. The only easy deltas you get are the BH waves. Randoms dont want to help with Cultivation and the Summoner Bots are ignored. Nobody have an idea when and how to loot effectively bones and the Squads who do full runs dont take in someone else not on their FL / Fac.
Lunar is too expensive, yeah i know pwi want monney sinks and monney sinks are desperatly needed to reduce the inflation but the stuff you get out isnt worth the fee. the only advantage of lunar gear is that it make non bound nirvana gear. On the oposite the TT gear gives superior defence in the case you recive a debuff.
Mold drops from most bosses are allready outdated and not longer desireable. Most bosses arn't killed anymore only the BH Bosses. They should expand the BH range to all bosses. Why just 1 boss for bh I or bh II at 100+ why not 3 random bosses (in the same dungeon) covering all bosses inside to finish bh I and slightly raise the reward ?
I always ask in warsong to kill all bosses for that stupid quest, nobody ever want to to this.
Nobody ever want to def a pavilion.
Its sad, most time im bored and running fc to sell heads over and over. If it weren't for the
fun i have to make coins by mercanting i would probably play another game allready.
I wish harshland had a faction with good geared non profit orientated player who set their mind to master all dungeons and just go into an instance to measure their skills and look for profit as second.
?Time for you to start a faction yourself? sounds like you just made a wonderful mission statement for a faction in that post.0 -
Guys hey dont know any of you back from a couple year break and by no means do I want you to feel pressured I just made a bm in HL and was wondering just *grabs fail barbarian beside me and begins shaking him* WHERE THE HELL IS GAMMA,ALPHA, AND BETA (not in that order) AND WHY CANT THESE PEOPLE PLAY THEIR CLASSES RIGHT!0
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Awesome necro, would read again. 10/10
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