Fist BM

kiyoxkira wrote: »

Okey so. Against all the odds I'm making a fist BM. Keep in mind I dont PvP much and if I do its just a friendly spar with guildys so thats not all that important. Also I don't like to AoE I'm more of a 1v1 and killing bosses.


From the little info I've managed to find. I'm going.

5str=even level
4dex / 1vit=odd level


What I need to know, what skills do I need?

Also sage or demon?

Thanks in advance for anyhelp.

lol ummif ur going more obn 1 v 1 Swords or fists base on u going dex id say fists and youll want the demon side and there really good on 1 v 1 mobs and bosses just remember tho ur gonna have a hard time after 50+ cause u cant AoE the mobs for faster exp

Uhmm if ur going pve ... id say go axe, coz fists only becomes good in pve when they are 70+ coz of better equips (meaning u have to refine on weapons) if this is ur first time doing a Blademaster, let me warn you the path to fist mastery is hard and challenging, fist is not best for pve, coz first of all grinding wise, less aoe skill, not money wise since higher repair rates, less hp meaning higher usage of pots and charm eaters and depend on gears a lot since u can only reap a fists potential if u refine the gears and the weapon itself, not good tankers since low hp (not until lvl85 and up specially 90 when ur u have tt90 armors, or u refine ur armors to a +5 and hp shards) Fist do well in rbs, not aoe wise but as DDs on bosses, good at canceling magic atks on bosses but in TT/HH when boss starts aoe magic their cast is just too fast for u to kick, or its just totally cannot be interrupted and finally fists are aggro stealer u do not want to steal aggro from a boss since ur not a tanker(but of cors there are ways to avoid dat and is to be explained further once i made my guide) So if u want to reap the best there is in PVE, be an axe but then again if u like a challenge go fist, its really great and if u want u can go hybrid with it, a proper build fist can go all weapons including axe(although must suffer the consequence of having to use 1 grade lower to u ) its fun and i enjoy it *cough hybrid here cough*

COz uhmm fist is pvp, 1 vs 1 type, not the axe way of pking or twing where in u go ahead massive stun and spam aoe skill and kill them all but more of an archer like, stalk an kill, we are not as proud in battle as axes and barbs are so our pvp style is totally different from other BM weapon class and is hard to pull off, only a few last on this weapon of choice but to make it clear fist isnt the strongest and isnt the weakest, they are as balanced as other classes, with their own str and weakness its just that this weapon of choice is harder than most weapon >.< So if ur a gamer looking for a challenge go fist, GO by the gamer way its the player that makes the character strong not the other way around :)b:victoryb:victory

kiyoxkira wrote: »

What about skills though? What do I need?

GO with this
Attack skills

Drawblood- max it out as early as u can, helps add dmg to ur dps specially at the lower lvls, so as early as possible, deas physical dmg overtime

Aeolian Blade-if ur going pvp max this out too, but if not u realy dont have to, coz we fist dont spam skill specially on pve, deals decent dmg and a chance to stun the target

Oceans Edge-its good a skill contrast to the vacous palm sill which uses 1 spark, this gives slow debuff on enemy but not a 100% chance, grinding wise this skill doesnt matter coz ur not gonna kite lvl 1 enough to slow running mobs but if ur going hybrid fist bow kiting its advice u max this one too and for pvp as well but since ur going pve maxing this one is a matter of choice and ur own gameplay

Drakes ray-Good skill for runners and kiters, so max this one too

Fan of Flames- ur going pve so have it, aoe skill on a frontal ray

Drakes Sweep- Same as above, for pve max it early

Vacous Palm- almost the same as oceans edge but this one deals greater dmg gives slower debuff on enemies and a 100% chance to give the debuff but last a few seconds less, even when maxed, using the 1 spark dat amplifies atk does better dmg but its up to you, how u play with ur fist.

Shadowless skill- for pve u dont have to max it lvl 1 is enough for canceling mag atks, but if going pvp max it out the added dmg is nice enough and if u go sage cooldon lessens to 2 seconds and demon gives area of effect dats nice enough

Cyclone heel- Since ur going pve every aoe would be useful so max this one too, and also this skill gives speed buff that would help u deal more dmg since u will be attacking faster heheh

Drakes breath bash- uhmm pve i guess its just the matter of how ur gameplay go, this skills deals a decent dmg and its aoe but on a straight line and gives u fire dmg so good against metal mobs so if ur planning on using this skill as part of ur aoe good luck on getting them all in a straight line, so it up to u if u would rather save the sparks for heal and stun or the aoe skill...

SUpport and Passive skills

Fist mastery- well of cors, it be stupid not to max this one

Roar of the pride- well one thing all Bms love, aoe stun, max this one too

Diamond Sutra- max this one too, whether u be pve or pvp fists loves the heal, and fist accumulates chi faster than most bm class so we get to use most of our chi sucking skills

Alter marrows-max out the physical for melee fights but for magic uhmm maxing is a bit dangerous specially to us fist, so lvl them depending on ur battle style, we fist are also capable of using LAs so make use of dat and with ur alter magic so maxing them is not a must but a choice

Leaps- very useful, specially when ur gonna use a bow, slow jump and bow, dats a good way to start a battle with a physical elite mob with no range atks or mag or duels

Cloudsprint and will of Bodhistava- max and get it, u will need it for rbs since ur pve, or if somehow u find urself in a duel this will help u a lot

ANd dat is all for now, the other skills dat i have not included is either useless or u wont be able to use them till ur 79+ hope u find this useful and for others if u have other ideas please shout them up :)b:victory

kiyoxkira wrote: »

I do love a challenge, and I love being rare. I don't like to AoE as I stated.



What skills do I need.


Also what gear to be a sucessful fistmaster?

I don't care if its harder or more expensive it's what I want to do.

SInce ur going pve, go Heavy Armor all the way, i advice using Hp shards on ur armors and refining it and refining ur weapons and crafting ur owns
lvl 60 and below u cant find any good fist in any reward quest so making ur own is advice below that lvl and getting proper ornaments the ones with +str or + dex and rings to up ur stats and physical atks but above 60 start looking at TT weapons and armors for 70 + check this site out for set of TT weapons and molds and legendary dat would cover the gaps our stats have http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/equip.php check it out so u can see the future weapons and gears u would be taking when u reach the lvl but in the meantime stick with the reward armors and make ur own weapons till u reach 60, dat is my own opinion hope i help a bit

wind shield is also great. reduce damage, increase dex and increase attack rate. My fist BM has this skill ^^

kiyoxkira wrote: »

Thank you for all the help.


So Sage or Demon?

Well id also say, demon since most sage add-ons on skill are quite useless on a fist, except for a few like golden bell which gives u 90% physical def buff contrast to the demons 75% bonus in 15 secs, we usually use golden bell before heading to the battle and not in the middle of it so the 15 sec bonus would only be a waste if u plan on pve coz u will using this buff everytime u atk a mob, and in pk and TW a lot of things are to be expected fists doesnt go and jump head straight into battle so the effectiveness of 75% physical def add on wont be that much on pk fests and TWs, except for duels i guess and when u tank lower bosses.. other than that i say, go demon... since axe are already going sage (mostly) the 2 rivaled weapons are destined to meet in battle hehehehe GL on ur fist build and have faith in it once u reach the proper lvl u will see how fun it is to be a fist !b:victory

Mkhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry if I'm allowed to post URLs or not but take a look at this website

http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php

You will see what is useful for Demon or Sage. But personally I think a Sage Fist BM would benefit the most since it offers more survivability and higher damage rate, but Demon is also really good. You just gotta know what you want out of your Fist BM.

The one thing I think would be nice for a Sage Fist is the Cyclone Heel since it grants you 20 seconds worth of increased attack rate (and adding the 90% mastery skill).

Sage Shadowless Kick is nice b/c it gives you a quicker cooldown while Demon gives it an aoe, but it's only a 3 meter radius which is not enough range whatsoever.

Diamond Sutra can be arguable since Demon grants +10% cirtical hit rate, but then again you already have a high crit rate anyway along with ur gears. Sage version has a 20% chance to increase HP by 50% which can be cool too (but it's a small chance)

Like I said, I would personally choose Sage but that is all dependant on you.

What do you do with 20 sec cyclone heel when you can maintain it with the 15 sec...... And it gives 20% attack speed buff.
AND what the hell do you do with 50% heal in sutra when this game has charms.

Mkhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Umm I said with Sage ur already getting an extra 15% boost on damage (90% mastery compared to 75%)

And for 50% heals, it would be a better idea to save your charms rather than have it waste =\

Well yeah but it's not 15% in actual damage, just 15% in weapon damage. And anyway I doubt the mastery matters that much, attack speed matters more when you're using fist.

A rank 8 demon fist archer with the -0.1 chest piece and other -interval gears can out dps a BM with the same gear (not counting the rank 8 chest piece since it's class dependent) despite not having fist mastery.

kiyoxkira wrote: »

I do love a challenge, and I love being rare. I don't like to AoE as I stated.



What skills do I need.


Also what gear to be a sucessful fistmaster?

I don't care if its harder or more expensive it's what I want to do.

man i have a 101 fist bm and it rocks the PvP world....and again i can use all weapons
i used 1 vit 10 str and 9 dex every 4 levels..and now i have got over 20k hp with vit stones..you say thats bad i dont know at to say..
and i use all the weapons..so i didn't lose ne thing did i.

this is my fist bm when he takes up a pole
http://pwcalc.com/f9a7c8738761957f

_JasON_hEll - Archosaur wrote: »

this is my fist bm when he takes up a pole
http://pwcalc.com/f9a7c8738761957f

i never go anywhere on my bm without a troop of wizards and archers to keep elemental shell and blessing of the condor up on me, also i travel with a full squad of bms so we can all keep buddha's guarding eachother.

i'd also like to know how you got sage polearm mastery and demon cyclone heel at the same time.