What are new clerics doing that is annoying all the old players?

I would assume it's because the new Cleric's are spamming the AoE heal, possible missing the members that need it most while wasting mana when it would be easier to just stack IH (I think that's what it's called.) But like I said, it's just an assumption... And I too am curious for the answer... x3

There's also the possibility that new Cleric's think it's okay to become purely DD now because Mystic's have "taken over." But that has nothing to with AoE and more to do with people being ignorant in choosing a class best suited for them.

With my mystic i did and do instances with random squads. Sometimes i see nice clerics and i add them on fl xD But often more i see things.. i really dont have words.

They BB when truly not needed, they dont res dead squad mates, they aoe heal, they use ih once and twice then back to aoe heal or wellspring if you're lucky.. i've seen also clerics using ONLY the first skill of heal you get *i dont remember the name.. the once that looks red color*.

I am ok with that, maybe they are new to the game and i was too. At first i never used ih myself.. But someone taught me and i learn. Now the thing hate the most is they dont listen to tips.. if you try to say something they: 1 QQ aefoiuhiuoesfns i am the best healer of the world and then leave squad, 2 they dont even say anything and keep do what they were doing.

Now i'm not saying all new clerics are made this way, but the most i've seen till now are..

what kossy said and it gets better. my best example is

FC, killing harpy in big room. The rest is melee, so i start to kill one harpy alone. Cleric next to me. So i see my HP drop and drop and drop and drop...only 8 HP left and i do soul transfusion...and what does the Cleric? Starts to channel her AOE...while i kill harpy ALONE .

Some Clerics are just abnormaly stupid. Like using AOE heals before each pull in FC...seriously? This **** doesnt stack, so its useless if anyone else HP is at 100%! Good morning...lvl93!

What i hate as well, is the constantly 1hr rebuff at everything. One dies...1h rebuffs...dies again..again 1h rebuffs. This takes looots of time to channel and cast it, if you do it like almost every 10min. Its only one person who is dying. Why the hell waste 50% of MP on AOE buffs for one person? Its like..the next squad wouldnt have any Cleric, who cant do same.

hmm..for some odd reason, i haven't met such clerics who AOE heal all the time when it's not needed and when only one person is getting hit o.o but i've seen many who abuse BB. Sometimes, they will use BB when there are 3+mobs or at a boss since there are usually DDs who want to have aggro wars. I've done it too. But i have seen it a few times from other clerics who BB when there's only a few mobs.b:laugh

Allondria - Archosaur wrote: »

There's also the possibility that new Cleric's think it's okay to become purely DD now because Mystic's have "taken over." But that has nothing to with AoE and more to do with people being
ignorant in choosing a class best suited for them.

^I've seen this constantly when clerics just want to DD(even when there's no mystic or other cleric) and they heal when someone's almost dead and such or fail trying.And dding is like the main reason that they become pure magic-.-. But they end up dying or close to dying constantly and endanger the squad when they refuse to heal. But at least, there are some lvl 90+pure magic clerics who have decent gear to allow them to steal aggro and do a lot of damage while still being able to survive well.

My first char was a Cleric on Sanctuary and I got it to like, lvl 30. I don't claim to be an amazing healer, or any of that, but I have the sense to know what my class does and stick to it. It should be common sense but now it's some rarity, and that's really sad. What originally brought me to play Cleric in the first place is because I was a WoW player and a good PvP healer/support. I wanted to be the same in PWI, but because of the lack of teaching, bar these forums that I have been lurking since I started I got frustrated and quit. I didn't have anyone to team with and it was just annoying to even try by myself basically. This was also during finals pre my highschool graduation. I actually plan to remake one after I take this Mystic to endgame, and maybe before then if these new Cleric's don't stop being stupid. Not even ignorant anymore... If a veteran is trying to help you, LISTEN. I have never made it past lvl 35 in PWI, but I assume I seem like I have been playing a bit more than that because I take my time, read, listen and most importantly. Learn. Something a lot of new players, namely the Cleric's lack apparently. And just seeing the Cleric's in this community (Now that I am a member) give me hope that I too will become a decent healer in PWI one day. So for that, I thank you all in giving me hope for playing my favorite class. And also for making me giggle like a little girl, because this is just too good.

New Clerics power level nonstop instead of doing BHs and 'practicing' healing. They use their skills but they do not KNOW them. I recently met a lvl100 Cleric who didn't believe me that IH stacks. Fail.

There is no class in this game that's hard to master. Players can easily get down how to play a cleric in a single day or reading these very forums, the only thing with a moderate learning curve is how much they pay attention.

As for doing chrome I notice clerics doing it somewhat frequently in FF, but the reason I notice them doing it is likely due to people not warning them when the boss is about to die. They target the boss, spam chrome, know when to hyper. In many cases if they keep people healed I won't say anything when on other characters. The prob is, especially for lower levels, chrome usually isn't enough, and for an idiot cleric, that type of healing might translate into other instances which would cause squadwipes. For instance, a non-bloodpainted fist BM will get creamed on Dracoboa doing chrome -- it happened to mine numerous times (this was in 2010).

Other noob things some clerics do is wellspring on high HP characters, which I suppose might be ok if they have a really high magic attack and lvl 10/11 skill, but otherwise, stream channels only slightly slower and heals at least twice as much.

For those who paid attention 2 and nearly 3 years ago when starting to play will understand that there are always going to be stupid people attaining high levels. The only reason you see more stupid people is because there's more high levels. Experience tells me it's the same proportion of decent players to idiots from before hypers came out.

this game has a reputation for being hard to level up in? that needs to change, if so.

levels mean nothing in this game, rank means nothing in this game, fancy gear just means you've spent a lot of cash on this game. never take any of those as a sign of competency or experience, because they're not.

As has been stated, no amount of levels / gear / rank / stats / etc. can compensate for common sense and an ability to learn from those who have more real experience (not game exp) than yourself.

A good newbie will always play their class as well as they can, even if they don't know perfectly what to do yet. Back in 2008, I was doing my fb19 with four other RL friends, including my fiancee, who was the cleric in that run. No one told her why IH was better than pureheart. None of us even knew that. So we ran on pureheart for most of that run... and the rest of our squad (two BMs, a barb, and myself, all in the late 20s) each made standard newbie mistakes as well. It took us a few tries and one squadwipe, but we managed to do the run anyway. Actually, we did it by confusing the boss - one of us would take aggro, take some damage (mitigated somewhat by the pureheart), then retreat into the water pool out of its reach, at which point it would turn to someone else. With four of us swapping out, it turned out to be surprisingly effective. :P

Of course, we're all higher and know more of these "common-sense" things now, but sometimes the only way to learn is to make mistakes. Give me an intelligent newbie who learns from his mistakes over a kid who read a couple of guides any day.



That said, I've been building my cleric on the Archosaur server recently and I've been paying close attention to the people I do BH with. This is particularly true for tanks, but even a good DD is not to be sneered at in this day and age, and I won't friendlist an idiot just because he plays a barb. Rule of thumb: people who communicate with their squad get more contacts and more squad invites. Among my contacts, for instance: a barb who more-than-competently tanked his own fb51 bosses, at least two BMs who are comfortable with instance aoe mechanics, a sin who knows how to moderate her damage and can handle herself 1v1 against any instance mob, and a mystic who I love to bring along when I can due to her tendency to make full use of her healing herbs and backup heals.

Frankly, I'm given to think they do their jobs better than I do, but maybe I'm being too hard on myself. :P



But that just brings me back on-topic (so, sorry for the tangent).

AoE heals instead of IH? Obviously misguided, but it strikes me as useless how some people just assume the cleric is "stupid" for doing that. As Furries alluded to,

the issue is they dont spend the time on to learn when to use each heal, how to quickly select squad mates and how to properly access situation to determin wethere they can be saved or wether or not they can and it would be better to let them die and rez them rather than take aggro and get ourself killed as well as themself.

...meaning, IMO, today's clerics are having trouble prioritizing rather than knowing how to use their skills properly.

Let's face it, the sin who just pulled a leeroy jenkins and has 3 mobs on him is not going to live. At that point you should be praying that your tank is competent enough to make up for that with a few well-placed AoEs or use of Alpha Male. But the #1 mistake clerics make is healing that idiot, and the #1 reason they do that is because they think every squad member must be saved at all costs.

It doesn't help when the DDs (usually the stupid ones) mouth off at the cleric like it's their fault when they die. It also doesn't help that today's clerics are usually very soft-hearted, generous folks who genuinely don't like to see their squadmates die, which means they'll start to believe the idiot DDs who yell at them. Thus it just becomes a cycle of encouraging bad tactics.

I liken PW's cleric more to D&D's cleric... in that they're not just a healer, they're often a leader. Hence, a good cleric does more than mash IH; they constantly have their eye on the situation and know how to see a trainwreck coming, and how to mitigate it as best they can. What today's clerics need to learn is, that sometimes that means letting an idiot die.

As for buffs, meh. I hate recasting the hour buffs. I try to wait until everyone is in the instance, and if we have a straggler, they just get half-hour buffs. I recast the hour buffs only when they run out or if there's been a significant number of deaths/DCs in the party around the same time. Why? Because I don't feel like constantly keeping my eye on everyone's buff indicators to see whose magic shell (or other buff) has run out. A cleric has enough to worry about, anyway. :P

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Other noob things some clerics do is wellspring on high HP characters, which I suppose might be ok if they have a really high magic attack and lvl 10/11 skill, but otherwise, stream channels only slightly slower and heals at least twice as much.

What do you call high hp? a BM with 12k hp or a barb with 16k?
While SoR does give a massive boost its also 3,5 times the manacost of a wellspring. Id rather do 2 wellspring and save my charmtick than SoR with tick to get the same result. Barb/Bm wont die in either situation and that gives me a few secs to save the sins hide because hes gone rambo on us :P

.__. ...There are really clerics that spam nothing but CHB the entire run?...Good lord, I've been gone for too long. This is news to me. Usually I only do that if people in my squad are dueling for chi uncharmed and I have time to replenish that mp before pulls come. I've got some lvl30 +3k mp food saved up just for instances (I don't think they make it anymore, only the lvl75 kind XD) in cases for that.

DD? Me?? <__< Being that I'm currently uncharmed and that I'd rather save my mp for keeping people alive, I'm glad I don't do that. My full mag build may give me amazing damage, but aggro is something that I do not want. I'd much rather heal. Even if there's another cleric in the squad, over healing people is better than no one healing. I never overbuff higherlevel buffs either =P

I'm aware of heal aggro, and have gotten yelled at for not healing when only one mob was aggro'd and the other's were not. But that's the tanks fault, not mine. Because of this I usually only run with my favorite barb as tank, since she keeps aggro so well

IH is my favorite heal, I love that it stacks 5x and could stack more if I have -chan gear. Wellspring is a close second, but it's almost useless for tanks, at least at my current level. Once I get to be higher, it'll be better, but always second to IH.

IMO, Chromatic is way too much of a mana drain to be useful for anything other than emergencies. SoR is in this category for me as well, usually I'll only throw it on if my stacked IH is not doing the job and needs an extra push that wellspring just would not satisfy.

I'm not as skilled in using BB though, as a lot has changed since I was here. Being asked to BB on Farren in bh39 I can understand, but asked to BB on EVERY boss there? <_<''' What are you people nuts? lol I do need more practice for when it's proper to use BB now a days, I know that much.

Spamming the hour buffs more than necessary can really drain on mana, I'd only buff once everyone's there and when they expire, and give those that missed it the 30min buffs. I'm also aware of people that may use powders/apoth to buff themselves, so while a macro would make buffing easier, I'd rather keep them separate just in case someone doesn't warn me first

Yes, I do currently have low hp. I'm saving up on mirages and shards so that when I get my lvl60 gears I can be properly refined. I'm hoping to have more than 4.6k hp by then so I can survive those not so fun AoEs in TT and other instances.

Of course, I'm not really a new cleric. =P I have played one since '08. I've just been on vacation for a while, and decided to start anew. I've already been asked by a few people to be their personal cleric, one of which plays a lvl101 cleric as their main. *.* The fact that clerics have gotten this bad is rather new to me. I saw one the other day, while I was grinding on Hexweb Kings, that didn't purify at all, and used pureheart to heal...>__o Needless to say, he died. A lot. Poor guy.

apex1predator wrote: »

What do you call high hp? a BM with 12k hp or a barb with 16k?
While SoR does give a massive boost its also 3,5 times the manacost of a wellspring. Id rather do 2 wellspring and save my charmtick than SoR with tick to get the same result. Barb/Bm wont die in either situation and that gives me a few secs to save the sins hide because hes gone rambo on us :P

A decent stream heals over 8K (both mine and my wife's). My wife's wellspring hits for 3.5-4.5K. If that 1 second makes the difference between charm tick and not, one needs to ask what they're doing to allow a charm tick in the first place. High HP = more HP than a decent cleric's stream would heal for. My standards are low.

Anyhow, just did FF and BH69 on my Mystic and the cleric in both instances sucked. I spam healed the **** out of the barb in Fragrance and Polearm because two different clerics didn't know or want to purify. The cleric on Fragrance was busy typing while the cleric doing Polearm didn't purify a single time. Thankfully I had rez buffs on everyone because the cleric stunk.

Not healing at all.

Meditating mid boss.

What is Plume Shell?

BB has to be used always.

CHB even if only one person being hit.

Lack of aggro mechanics.

Using Blessing of Purehearted -.-

Never learned Revive.

Lack of common sense.

Dependant on OTHER Clerics to heal or be in squad.

Lack of instance knowledge (TT/HH).

MP QQ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Blames other's for their deaths when their fault.

Spoiled with free wine, etc (similar to Barb's in this)

Lack of RB knowledge/mechanics.

Wait, they need to heal?

I need to level Purify over level 1?

Feeling of entitlement.


I could go on and on and on and on....b:surrenderb:cry

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It doesn't help when the DDs (usually the stupid ones) mouth off at the cleric like it's their fault when they die. It also doesn't help that today's clerics are usually very soft-hearted, generous folks who genuinely don't like to see their squadmates die, which means they'll start to believe the idiot DDs who yell at them. Thus it just becomes a cycle of encouraging bad tactics.

I am that cleric o_o Sorry if i dont want anybody to die! O_O Bah if you dont even try to play on funny mode and let everyone who aggros a bit more dieing.. why did u make a cleric ? ^^ To Pull, Heal One *Only one*, oh someone took aggro.. no im too lazy to heal him. Oh yay 1 mob's dead! Ok now let's ress everyone i got dead.....
Ahahahaah xD
Anyway I think, and that's my modest opinion, you HAVE TO heal every jerks and try to keep them alive. If they die because of their being.. jerks, well that's not your fault. But if they die and you didnt even try to heal them.. well that's another thing..
Of course there are certain situation you can see far from 1km they're gonna die and it's not worth an ih xD