Pdef or Hp shards?

If your gear is decent you shouldn't be dying to any equal lvl magic aoes even without refines, at least not for anything below lvl 100 as far as I know. And yes, adding pdef shards will increase the defense of your summons, since it is added to gear and their stats are effected directly from gear. Same with citrines, but also noteworthy is that base vit effects your summon's hp, even though it's not part of gear. Right now I have all of my TT90 armor pieces sharded with garnets, and my hat and cape sharded with citrines. And my hp and pdef are almost the exact same self buffed. (pure mag) But at 100 I'm going to shard full citrines, cause dying in three shots whenever a psy catches me off guard and I'm not using sally isn't fun lol

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Oh, well yeah that thing hurts really bad when its hp gets low, but it one shots a lot of people besides the tank at that point. You could use sally's second skill, martydom on yourself, and set her outside of the aoe range, that should help. But he'll one shot summons and healing plants unfortunately.

Remember that pdef has diminishing returns as you get more. It's about % reduction, not number for pdef, while getting more HP does not decrease effectiveness as you do so. I made the mistake of originally doing full pdef shards on this character and strongly regretted doing so. I would say if you have nice ornaments--90 gold, lunar gold, or cube neck, and 4th map, ws, or demonal belt--with refines +5 or better, you shouldn't need pdef shards, especially not with a pdef selfbuff and if you get a decent cape, since all the good one except chan cape have pdef adds. If you do use any, I suggest two pieces of gear be sharded with it at most, and the rest HP.

There aren't that many factor aoes either really, and even then, as long as you have decent pdef, hp will help you survive them better. The only seriously dangerous pve physical aoes I've encountered are Ancient Evil: Lethal Vengeance doing his random agro, 3-1 GBA boss, and Legion Marshal in full GV. Most other bosses are magic or close range so that they can be avoided.

which one is cheaper , Hp or pdef?

You need a balance, if you have a ton of HP, but no p. def, then adding a little p. def will help you a lot. If you have a ton of p. def, but no hp, then getting more hp is gonna help you more.

Although, if you always have a cleric and BM buffbot handy, nothing beats p. def.

Marista - Lost City wrote: »

Eh, I beg to differ. Having buffers actually makes pdef shards less worthwhile. With all G9 citrines and +7-8 orns on a build in calc, I get 10k pdef/72% phys resist with self + bm + cleric. Making those G9 garnets loses over 1k hp and only ends up with 14k pdef/78% resist. 6% less physical damage is not much, and 1k hp is a lot. Pdef gives seriously diminishing returns--as another example, my bm has about 16k/83% normally. In gv, with Lv 6 def aura, it's 35k pdef but only 90% resist. More than doubling it barely added 7%... So the more pdef you have, the less worth it getting more is.

Your logic is a bit off there. >.O

The difference may seem small in terms of numbers on the stat screen, but they translate to rather substantial cuts to damage intake in combat. For example...that 'small' 7% difference your BM experienced meant it was taking about 42% less physical damage than it would have been taking otherwise.

By the same token, the switch from Citrines to Garnets would lessen your Veno's (at least I'm assuming that first example is your veno?) physical damage intake by about 20%+.

Note that these percentages are rough guesstimates, and probably off by a percent or two. But I'm too lazy to open up a calculator and check atm.

Regardless, at the end of the day preference of shards should be determined by personal need/experience. In other words what he said *points to Burnout's post*. XD;

Marista - Lost City wrote: »

No, first example was future mystic build for 10x--she's only 9x right now in actuality so I prefer using veno avatar on here. Veno was where I actually sharded pdef and was very disatisfied. And I suppose I see what you mean there--I was only considering the total damage. I've never been good with %s, so that would be my mistake. Even so, though, there are still diminishing returns. I mean, supposing a bm can punch you for 1000 per hit at 3.33 with +5 deicide (reasonable estimate; just tested it with a bm friend). So he hits 3330 damage if he gets to hit you for a second. With the 10k pdef, he'll be doing 932 damage, and with the 14k, 733. While you're right that that's 22% less damage, it's also only 200 less damage which isn't really a lot per second.

All of that said, I'll admit that my logic was a bit off in the initial post. Thank you for pointing this out, and I'll try to take greater care with it. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that it's a matter of preference, just with saying nothing beats pdef.

Do you have at least 3700 base hp? In your example, anyone with at least 3700 hp or more would survive longer by sharding all p. def. I'd assume if someone had 10k p. def w/ arcane gears, they'd have at least that much HP. But yeah my example was talking about arcane armors. If you're a HA mystic then obv. sharding p. def is stupid even w/ cleric and BM buffbots.

I suppose I'll have to admit my defeat here, heh. It's always hard to give up convictions, even when they're wrong, but even so thank you for your insight. Of course, if you have barb buff and a charm, there's still a lot to be said for more hp, but in light of this I might give my own mystic sharding plans a second look-over for endgame...

I think that the question has an simple answer:

You intend to refine to more than +5 your set? then pdef
No? Hp then

i do not know~i do not know~! i wounder the same thing myself! i have pretty much EVERY class on this game (no high level, but a lot of low-level and some mid-levels), and, so far, i have only imbued stones on physical classes (but i'll imbue stones on my magic classes as well). The stones i chosed were citrines (hp) for armor and garnets (physical attack) on weapons. i have refined my main's gear to an average of roughly +3 and i used every socket i had for the gems i mentioned above.
I can defeat most of the people i duel with (they are usually around my level). of course, i lose some duels, but hey, who doesn't?
I can't reccomend you a certain gem, because i am not interelly sure, but i am satisfied with my current gems.

Both HP and Pdef have constant returns in that the amount of marginal benefit from adding a certain amount doesn't decrease. They are only diminishing in the sense that at higher values a constant increase corresponds to a lower overall percentage increase.

For example increasing the value 5 by +10 is 200% gain while increasing the value 100 by +10 is 10% gain, the % gain goes down but the +10 is constant.

Mystic's actually receive quite a large benefit from Pdef due to verdant shell. With sage verdant, cleric buffs, and bell, you can easily have around +200% pdef. You can type in that +200% pdef into the buff field in the socket calc tool in my sig to figure out which sharding is best.

lol @ male mystic

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I'm like this atm

http://pwcalc.com/21a4d2b17d64af41

Don't ask about the tome, it's from my archer and I'm still farming a pro one

According to calc I should put G9 citrines on all my sockets o.o but that sounds scary QQQQQQQQ

in full buffed squad we mystic have 3 p.def buff (cleric,bm,mystic) b:victory
just keep ur hp to safe level b:pleased then add p.def shard if ur hp is good enough

The answer is a mix of both, both shards are around the same price, at least on the server I'm on they are