GM's please read - RANK IX FOR BLADEMASTER's

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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Astraea - Raging Tide wrote: »
    if BMs were to get GoF claws like sins then would This nirvana claw modified with R9 axe add-ons not be a bit of overkill just like the usual 4.0 R9 sin build with same refine?

    if im right or semi close to it average DPS of each build w/o the GoF proc would be:
    (((((20039+22419) / 2 )*1.20 ) *1.66)* 4.0) = 169152.672
    and
    (((((21207+25239) / 2 )*1.38 )*1.65) * 4.0) = 211515.084

    i know full well how fast 4.0 r9 sins can rip through an instance but adding another broken element into this game is just too much >.< b:surrender

    note: used the (((((min atk+max atk) / 2 )*1.[crit%] ) *1.[atk lv])* APS)

    So many necessary brackets.

    (min+max)/2*1.crit*1.atklevel*aps would do do.
  • OiOOio - Raging Tide
    OiOOio - Raging Tide Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilithPaige - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As a Cleric, given the choice I would have taken the Wizards rank weapon because i consider it superior. But i wasn't given a choice. No offense to any BMs out their, but i don't get a choice so i really don't see why BMs should be given a choice.


    I think since BM's has a skill tree that they can choose from they should be allowed to choose a r9 weapon that matches those skill trees.

    The others no since there is not a skill tree to choose from.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    OiOOio - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I think since BM's has a skill tree that they can choose from they should be allowed to choose a r9 weapon that matches those skill trees.

    The others no since there is not a skill tree to choose from.

    There are, just none that have so many different weapon masteries and that kind of variety and weapon-type specific trees.

    The "well I don't get to choose glaive, pataka, or sword" argument is completely invalid because there are no trees specifically set up for those individual weapon types.
  • OiOOio - Raging Tide
    OiOOio - Raging Tide Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    There are, just none that have so many different weapon masteries and that kind of variety and weapon-type specific trees.

    The "well I don't get to choose glaive, pataka, or sword" argument is completely invalid because there are no trees specifically set up for those individual weapon types.


    agreed except for the sword since there is one.. right???

    EDIT: no just axes/hammers - pole - fists :)
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Look guys, a sin calling another class OP.

    Har Har, hardy har har! Good one, sir!

    b:laughb:laughb:laugh

    On a serious note, BM is the class that got ****ed over the most by rank sale. Then it was followed by taking out cancel casting. Yeah it's a "glitch" but fixing that glitch only puts BM even more behind other classes. So like some said, instead of the class having to rely on glitches to keep up, they need to fix the class the right way. It's only fair that BM gets other R9 weapons.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    As much as I respect Lady Asterelle, her logic that archers should get crossbows and slingshots is wrong, as Archers do not have a separate skill set for those weapons.

    Archers and Clerics *do* have a separate skill set for flying. It's a set of size one, but nonetheless, it's a skill set that is distinct from the ranged weapon skills.

    Thus, by the logic of the opening poster, archers should get Rank IX wings. I suggest the wings be a base speed of 6.0, affected the Flight Mastery skill, and can be used in instances.

    Untamed get Swimming Mastery right? Rank IX should give them something. Maybe bikinis and swimming trunks. That sparkle and glow.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Maybe bikinis and swimming trunks. That sparkle and glow.

    Elaborate, Lady Elena.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    As much as I respect Lady Asterelle, her logic that archers should get crossbows and slingshots is wrong, as Archers do not have a separate skill set for those weapons.

    Archers and Clerics *do* have a separate skill set for flying. It's a set of size one, but nonetheless, it's a skill set that is distinct from the ranged weapon skills.

    Thus, by the logic of the opening poster, archers should get Rank IX wings. I suggest the wings be a base speed of 6.0, affected the Flight Mastery skill, and can be used in instances.

    Untamed get Swimming Mastery right? Rank IX should give them something. Maybe bikinis and swimming trunks. That sparkle and glow.

    what weapon do you use to fly?
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  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    LilithPaige - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As a Cleric, given the choice I would have taken the Wizards rank weapon because i consider it superior. But i wasn't given a choice. No offense to any BMs out their, but i don't get a choice so i really don't see why BMs should be given a choice.

    You think you've got it bad? I won't even bother with rank gear because I get stuck with a freaking pataka. I would take any weapon over that.
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Untamed get Swimming Mastery right? Rank IX should give them something. Maybe bikinis and swimming trunks. That sparkle and glow.

    Well... first they would have to make Swimming Mastery work for venos. It has been broken since I started playing this game. I wasted spirit on it before I noticed it said "not applicable."

    But honestly I believe it should be the same as rank 8 for BMs. All weapons offered, but you get to choose only one. Because I know the majority of BMs these days use fist/claws as their primary weapon, and would be fine with lesser axes. But I do know a couple of axe BMs also. Giving a choice makes sense.
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    With all due respect to everyone we are class designed to use more weapons for more fun and effects. I am sure GM's know how to talk to Dev's, just imagine stocks go up!

    I would be doing my best to get the full set, here is some inspiration:

    http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3724/rankixbmswordb.jpg
    http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9135/rankixbarbclaw.jpg
    http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5744/rankixbmclaw.jpg
    http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9967/rankixbmpole.jpg
    http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1815/rankixbmswords.jpg

    note: this is just a reminder :P

    Nice ideas OP. At least bms should have more than axes for rank9 since there are some skills that require a certain weapon. Too bad pw is blind and deaf.
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    TBH I think we can chalk up the fact that there are only axes for r9 bMs to laziness on the developer's part :|
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    what weapon do you use to fly?

    According to the flavor text of Wingspan and Winged Pledge, archers use wings to attack targets close by.

    I should submit a ticket asking that they alter the damage of those skills to take into account the wings worn, as well as Flight Mastery.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    It's BS how some sins with +range daggers can outrange wing attacks with some of their skills. That doesn't even make sense, wings should obviously have longer reach than daggers, or sins would be flying by waving their daggers.

    I demand that R9 wings have +2 range as well.
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  • yeqweeqwwhje
    yeqweeqwwhje Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    To OP,

    Other classes don't have choices either. Archers can only choose bows, not x-bows or slingshots. Venos only get the pataka, not glaives, or swords, or anything else.

    BMs shouldn't hold a higher place than other classes.
  • Ryuukaze - Sanctuary
    Ryuukaze - Sanctuary Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    yeqweeqwwhje wrote: »
    To OP,

    Other classes don't have choices either. Archers can only choose bows, not x-bows or slingshots. Venos only get the pataka, not glaives, or swords, or anything else.

    BMs shouldn't hold a higher place than other classes.

    Even more, venos have the fox form tree and fist mastery, yet they get nothing for that.
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    yeqweeqwwhje wrote: »
    To OP,

    Other classes don't have choices either. Archers can only choose bows, not x-bows or slingshots. Venos only get the pataka, not glaives, or swords, or anything else.

    BMs shouldn't hold a higher place than other classes.

    BZZZZZZZZZ wrong answer :o
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    yeqweeqwwhje wrote: »
    To OP,

    Other classes don't have choices either. Archers can only choose bows, not x-bows or slingshots. Venos only get the pataka, not glaives, or swords, or anything else.

    BMs shouldn't hold a higher place than other classes.



    Yes, because being able to choose if you want steady damage or riskier-but-more-profitable damage is TOTALLY the same thing as not being able to use 12 of your skills if you use only the r9 weapon provided to you.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    On a technical standpoint I imagine you wouldn't be able to get the rank 9 set bonus with all 4 weapons. That may be why they limited it.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Maybe they're still working on it, but too embarrassed to say anything...lol

    On another note, no -int for BMs but -int for Barbs does not make sense
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    GMs WHERE MY R9 CROSSsBOW!!

    Hmmm... r9 xbow. Should increase my base by 2kish. And my take aim by 3.5-4k damage. Wonder how that'll change things.
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  • Pandaberr - Lost City
    Pandaberr - Lost City Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Maybe they're still working on it, but too embarrassed to say anything...lol

    On another note, no -int for BMs but -int for Barbs does not make sense

    I think -int for barbs and no -int for BM's and Sins was a fail attempt at fixing Barbs not being able to hold aggro against 5 APS'ers in instances.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    This thread is now about -int and APS...Carry on b:avoid
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  • Kreuz - Raging Tide
    Kreuz - Raging Tide Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    So its like totally normal and correct that we can choose one of the R8 weapons (for 72 gold) and noone complains?

    But god beware its totally not fair and unbalancing and gamebreaking if we can choose one of the R9 weapons, for like ~400 gold? Lol.

    Bms have like 18 different skills. These skills are shared among 4 Weapons. Oh well we had this one like 1234 times already.

    Guess people are just tooo scared. I mean imagine R9 Poleblade when a BM shots Farstrike into the enemy line followed by an atomic disaster which erases the whole TW-map.

    Btw. I wont mind if archer could choose between Crossbow and Slingshots etc. Neither i wouldn't mind if Arcane would have the option to choose between Patakas etc.
  • Pandaberr - Lost City
    Pandaberr - Lost City Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    This thread is now about -int and APS...Carry on b:avoid

    I'll change it so its about Cancel Channeling.

    BM's are just finding something else to QQ about since CC'ing got nerfed and they got ignored about it.

    BTW you can't even use the "its a legitimate strategy!" excuse for it. Attain something for nothing, pfft Law of Equivalent Exchange, duh.
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  • Sharuum - Lost City
    Sharuum - Lost City Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Just make a Pole-axe blade that sticks out of your fists. Problem solved b:cool
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Those R9 claws you made look pretty awesome. Not saying i agree with it although i wouldn't complain if they added it :3. Hell i don't agree with R9 full stop, although it would be fair also to give other classes multiple weapons too of course (except those selfish tideborn who like to keep their weapons to themselves -.-)
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yeah because we totally need BMs to have a R9 fist so they can be even more ridiculously powerful.

    Right.
    This was funny to read.
  • yeqweeqwwhje
    yeqweeqwwhje Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yes, because being able to choose if you want steady damage or riskier-but-more-profitable damage is TOTALLY the same thing as not being able to use 12 of your skills if you use only the r9 weapon provided to you.

    Hahaha what a stupid argument to make. HELLO! BMs always have to toggle weapons. All this thread is QQbirds singing the QQ song of woeismewoeisme IhazanamazingaxetopknubswithbutifailtofarmasgoodassinsQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

    Be thankful the devs didn't give you guys poles as your r9 weapon
  • Sharuum - Lost City
    Sharuum - Lost City Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    yeqweeqwwhje wrote: »
    Hahaha what a stupid argument to make. HELLO! BMs always have to toggle weapons. All this thread is QQbirds singing the QQ song of woeismewoeisme IhazanamazingaxetopknubswithbutifailtofarmasgoodassinsQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

    Be thankful the devs didn't give you guys poles as your r9 weapon

    What a troll. They have valid points, and there may be valid points the other way as well. All you are doing is making noise.
  • yeqweeqwwhje
    yeqweeqwwhje Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Sharuum - Lost City wrote: »
    What a troll. They have valid points, and there may be valid points the other way as well. All you are doing is making noise.

    Their points are not valid. No other classes have choices of r9 weapons. They can't use r9 fists to do maximum damage. WHICH, for the record, they wouldn't be using any of their skills anyhow.

    It's just a QQfestthread.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    yeqweeqwwhje wrote: »
    Their points are not valid. No other classes have choices of r9 weapons. They can't use r9 fists to do maximum damage. WHICH, for the record, they wouldn't be using any of their skills anyhow.

    It's just a QQfestthread.

    fist weapon mastery only works with fists.

    of course they cant use them, they dont exist. same reason i drive my car to school instead of riding my unicorn there.
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