Make FF/FC 80+ Only

Elemental_w - Heavens Tear
Elemental_w - Heavens Tear Posts: 111 Arc User
edited June 2011 in General Discussion
FF/FC has been now turned into the prime PWI "Power leveling" service. The instance was meant to be 80+ and sadly now lvl 1's are going into the instance and turning level 60/70 in a matter of minutes.

If the instance is meant to be 80+ why not make it so 80 - are NOT able to enter the instance.
This would eliminate Plvling on all servers, and make the game how it was supposed to be.

Level and skill obtained through Quests, and time.

Plvling is annoying, was in the past and is now in the present. b:surrender

But sadly it is supported by the thousands of players that can't play the game how it was supposed to be

Why not make the instance 70/80+ so that Plvling is eliminated on the servers?
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  • NiightmareXz - Harshlands
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Why? The majority of the playerbase these days ARE oldtime players. Do you wanna level your next character all the way to xx level again by just quests/dailies?
    Anyway, for new players, they would have to either
    A.) know someone who would take them on FC runs
    B.) have enough coins to cover the cost of hypers/teleporting/entrance fee to buy heads.
    Most AVERAGE new players do not have the coins to do B, and do not know level 100's for A.
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  • S_Swipe - Sanctuary
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »
    Why? The majority of the playerbase these days ARE oldtime players. Do you wanna level your next character all the way to xx level again by just quests/dailies?
    Anyway, for new players, they would have to either
    A.) know someone who would take them on FC runs
    B.) have enough coins to cover the cost of hypers/teleporting/entrance fee to buy heads.
    Most AVERAGE new players do not have the coins to do B, and do not know level 100's for A.

    C.) Not going to happen
  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing. If they choose to powerlevel and skip earlier content, that is their choice. You are free to level as slowly as you like without needing to impose your will on others.
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  • Ermosa - Heavens Tear
    Ermosa - Heavens Tear Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    well plvl zhen at PQ also is pretty popular, but that seems to be easier to fix. remove exp from mobs and give more exp for quest. on archosaur server it was impossible to do PQ because both pits are full with zhenners
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Elemental_w - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The instance was meant to be 80+
    75+, you get FC quests ar 75
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  • S_Swipe - Sanctuary
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    75+, you get FC quests ar 75

    75+ to tele in with stone 85+ to get quests *
  • Cocobelle - Sanctuary
    Cocobelle - Sanctuary Posts: 960 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Most people make money nowadays with FCC by selling heads. Eliminating that would just make it more difficult to buy certain things with the current gold price, ijs.
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  • S_Swipe - Sanctuary
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Cocobelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most people make money nowadays with FCC by selling heads. Eliminating that would just make it more difficult to buy certain things with the current gold price, ijs.

    The higher the better b:bye
  • XSloth - Harshlands
    XSloth - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    75+ to tele in with stone 85+ to get quests *

    nope, there are two FC related quests you get at 75
  • Namari - Dreamweaver
    Namari - Dreamweaver Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    This is character #4 for me that's leveled past 60. While I did quests on all of them, I'll be damned if that's all I'm gonna do for the 4th time around to hit 100+ on this char.

    QQing about powerleveling in fc isn't gonna fix anything. Besides, they will find other ways around it. b:bye
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  • S_Swipe - Sanctuary
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XSloth - Harshlands wrote: »
    nope, there are two FC related quests you get at 75

    was referring to the "open gate quest" the second boss and ofc starting heads quest.
  • QueenOfNukes - Heavens Tear
    QueenOfNukes - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I don't see the problem really. I hated my initial cleric's name, so I deleted her and made a new one. The old toon was level 75. I'm thankful for FF because it gave me a chance to get this toon to 75 before I continued with it.

    I think bottomline, it really depends what a player thinks is best. If the player has the money and wants to plvl it, why not? They have the coins and hypers, so go ahead. I think it's a bigger concern that plvl-ed toons don't learn their characters.

    I went to an instance where the barb did not know how to roar and hold aggro. Epic. But that's for a separate thread. Or else ChaoticShelly will lock this thread! b:shocked
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  • fuzzywuzz
    fuzzywuzz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Stop worrying so much about what other people are doing. If they choose to powerlevel and skip earlier content, that is their choice. You are free to level as slowly as you like without needing to impose your will on others.

    Fuzzy pretty much hasta agree with the above point.

    It matters not what others choose to do. The only impact it may have upon you is when you squad with someone who fc'd from 1-100 in a few weeks and run into a problem during a bh etc as a result. However, if this is the case, just make a note not to squad with said person again. Problem solved.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    FuzzyWuzz wrote: »
    Fuzzy pretty much hasta agree with the above point.

    It matters not what others choose to do. The only impact it may have upon you is when you squad with someone who fc'd from 1-100 in a few weeks and run into a problem during a bh etc as a result. However, if this is the case, just make a note not to squad with said person again. Problem solved.

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  • Forrester - Dreamweaver
    Forrester - Dreamweaver Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    If I understand right then you are wrong. what other players do does affect me an my game play. It affects my ability to get squads an it affects the economy in the game which has to do with me making or loosing coin and time.
  • S_Swipe - Sanctuary
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Forrester - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If I understand right then you are wrong. what other players do does affect me an my game play. It affects my ability to get squads an it affects the economy in the game which has to do with me making or loosing coin and time.

    So you want less 100's to make it harder to do BH's? b:surrender never mind your a cleric, a "high demand" class.
  • __Astarte__ - Dreamweaver
    __Astarte__ - Dreamweaver Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you want less 100's to make it harder to do BH's? b:surrender never mind your a cleric, a "high demand" class.

    ...That's an archer, dood. >.>;;;

    Anyways, yeah. P-leveling is a problem. But it's the players behind the toons that make it a problem, more than the system itself. Stupid people are gonna be stupid regardless of level. It's just more obvious at 100+ is all. b:sweat
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  • WizardCraft - Harshlands
    WizardCraft - Harshlands Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    LoL these people ... complaining about powerleveling , one confused about the level at which you get to start quests in FC , the other one can't tell an archer from cleric. b:chuckle
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    S_Swipe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you want less 100's to make it harder to do BH's? b:surrender never mind your a cleric, a "high demand" class.
    Perfect example of a power-leveled noob...
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  • RosangeIa - Heavens Tear
    RosangeIa - Heavens Tear Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Part of me agrees and part not really.... I've been here a long time so I'm considered an old time player as well. I leveled both of my 100 toons the long and hard way. My very first character I stopped at 50 but if I'd continued with her, I probably would have been the right level to see FF before it was even turned into the exp instance that it is now.

    It was no different than TT. People can use level 1 cleric alts to open TT if they want because there's no level restriction to get into the instance. :shrug: I'm sure they never changed it for FF obviously, since EXP wasn't the original point of FF in the first place.

    I can't see any reason they would change it now. People make coins off services to Plvl people, and possibly PWE makes money from people who are unfortunate enough to buy hypers from CS (lol) or use it to buy coins in order to pay for plvl in the first place. But like most have said these are mostly long time players and it's rare that it's newbies. Though I have seen plenty of genuine newbies who were plvl'd and don't know the game that well at all even by level 40-60. I think we've all had fail squads before due to someone not understanding their class. Can't really blame it on the plvl but more on the person behind the keyboard.

    If you plan to plvl you had better take the time to study your class. Otherwise no one will have any reason to squad you later on at end-game levels. You either make it or break it later on. People wont give you time of day if you don't know what you're doing by level 100. Even 90s. lol.
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  • SoIoDeZero - Archosaur
    SoIoDeZero - Archosaur Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I myself have recently got to lvl 100b:victory but I was a serioud noob and took along time :p pro not all that matter...... powering lvl is up to others I have seen more high lvl noobs then anything lately...I knowing how to save ur squad, what skills to use to prevent more damage....people plvl sin and the reason being is they are going aps right away. Sin use a limited amout of of theur skills in pve but pvp is another story it takes skill to beat someone just as good if not better then you......anyway long rant, if you know the class I don't care if you plvl or but I'm not up for more fail plvl char being added to the mix b:surrenderb....when a barb thinks he can IH himself you know something is wrong
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    SoIoDeZero - Archosaur wrote: »
    when a barb thinks he can IH himself you know something is wrong
    'Scuse me WHHHAAAAA...??!!
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  • SoIoDeZero - Archosaur
    SoIoDeZero - Archosaur Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Was in fc barb said "I should have IH myself" power level for the lose b:surrenderb
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Are you sure he wasn't multi-clienting the cleric?
    Not that I can imagine someone multi-clienting a barb and cleric in FCC...
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  • RosangeIa - Heavens Tear
    RosangeIa - Heavens Tear Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    SoIoDeZero - Archosaur wrote: »
    Was in fc barb said "I should have IH myself" power level for the lose b:surrenderb

    Wow that is just.... sad. :( I could understand if he was dual clienting a cleric or something though lol. Doesn't sound that way from this though lol. It is really quite.. awful.
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  • SoIoDeZero - Archosaur
    SoIoDeZero - Archosaur Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    When a barb thinks he can IH its time to quit the squadb:surrender
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    When a barb thinks he can IH, it's time to alt+f4 and never play againb:beatup
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  • CritCat - Archosaur
    CritCat - Archosaur Posts: 608 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I did an FC with a barb who didn't know fleshream and was in NPC armor. I had to end up tanking it.

    Powerleveled noobs? FML.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    One of the reasons I hate FCCing with other sins. 99.9% of them are power-leveled alts who have no idea how to be squad supportive in anyway...or even use attack skills to gain chi. I facepalm every time I see sins auto-attacking Shocktrooper for chi instead of using TS or Dragon Strike.
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  • Bellarie - Raging Tide
    Bellarie - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    One of the reasons I hate FCCing with other sins. 99.9% of them are power-leveled alts who have no idea how to be squad supportive in anyway...or even use attack skills to gain chi. I facepalm every time I see sins auto-attacking Shocktrooper for chi instead of using TS or Dragon Strike.

    I've not only had a sin in a previous FC squad do this, but one of my recent squads had a fist bm that was doing this despite me having a spark ready, and they knew in advance to tell me if they needed sparks anytime out of the usual(the usual being invoke, bb, hf, etc)

    I've also had sins beg me to pass them sparks.
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