Better Duo for TT???

Mystics can indeed heal venomancer pets, and they can also heal the veno themself; which is very nice for AOE bosses. The healing works the same as for venomancers - you have to target the pet you wish to heal, if you target anything else, you'll heal your own pet.

But. The cleric does a better job of that, has better buffs and it's rare that you find a boss that your pet can survive a top-end hit from but which you can't keep healed enough.

It's not impossible. Did a very very nice run with oteher veno's and a mystic yesterday, taking out bosses people thought required a barb+cleric.

But still, in general, I'd recommend either a cleric or a second venomancer (if you're going with heal pets, go with GOOD heal pets).

Well, the best advantage of the mystic is instant res (the cleric can't res you if the cleric dies too)
And mystic heals are more than good enough for most boss AOEs. (Though not all)

I keep meaning to level up my minicleric high enough to buff me before I go in and rescue me afterwards. To get useful enough to actually come in with me would need a lot of levels. And would be helpful on a very few bosses (the ones with the AOE that mystic+leechlife can't keep up with.)

A second veno gets better pet heals than the mystic, and also lets you have a backup-tank-pet that you can both still heal if the main one goes down. Mystic pets appear, from short experience, to be unbelievably squishy.

However, veno's can heal mystic pets too - so a mystic isn't a bad choice.

And there's my thoughts. All of which may change as I try higher TTs and with different squads, of course

But TT22 wurlord without a cleric or real-tank worked. Which surprised the heck outta me. So don't feel you can't give it a try.

Mystic-Veno combo can be quite fun. I did an FC run a few hours ago that was three venomancers and three Mystics. We tore through the bosses quickly and with ease, and even managed to get Shocktrooper to be Weak instead of Frenzied or Tough. It was also the first time I did not die in FC at some point.

Of course, Cleric would also be a great addition. Or better yet, Venomancer-Mystic-Cleric combo, FTW.

I've done 3-1 runs with a cleric buddy of mine, and it worked quite well with me tanking and my pet DDing.(I actually tank instead of my pet most of the time since my physical defense is a few K higher)

Hi,

Veno Pet Heal is 1.0 channel, 0.8 cast (I think).
Mystic Pet heal is 0.5 channel, 0.5 cast (This one I'm sure of).

A mystic has the same base + % values on their heal skills as well, so they do as much as a veno, but they can spam heals much faster than probably even a veno with a lot of -chan. A boss like squad mode Wurlord which kills a lvl92 Herc due to lack of heal speed would be very well healed by a mystic as opposed to a second veno.

A veno with -50% channeling has 0.5 channel, 0.8 cast. Mystic with -50% channel has 0.25 channel, 0.5 cast. Mystic theoretically is the best partner for TT. I have a lvl59 mystic which I was going to level to 70 and gear up with TT70 wep +4 with g8 shards and test this theory out, but I quit the game. Or so I think for now. I'm very angry with Assassins and how PWE just isn't listening to any of our complaints about how irritatingly unfair the game has become for arcanes.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well, the best advantage of the mystic is instant res (the cleric can't res you if the cleric dies too)
And mystic heals are more than good enough for most boss AOEs. (Though not all)

I keep meaning to level up my minicleric high enough to buff me before I go in and rescue me afterwards. To get useful enough to actually come in with me would need a lot of levels. And would be helpful on a very few bosses (the ones with the AOE that mystic+leechlife can't keep up with.)

A second veno gets better pet heals than the mystic, and also lets you have a backup-tank-pet that you can both still heal if the main one goes down. Mystic pets appear, from short experience, to be unbelievably squishy.

However, veno's can heal mystic pets too - so a mystic isn't a bad choice.

And there's my thoughts. All of which may change as I try higher TTs and with different squads, of course

But TT22 wurlord without a cleric or real-tank worked. Which surprised the heck outta me. So don't feel you can't give it a try.

Wait wat? o_O

Veno and Mystic heals have the same basic multipliers at max level: 30% Magic Attack + 540. However Mystic maxes at 52, while Veno has to wait until 93.

Not to mention Veno heal has 1.5 second channel/1 second cast, while Mystic has 0.5 second channel/cast before any -channeling. Also, the Veno has a larger cooldown on their heal until maxed (2.8 at level 1, and getting .2 seconds shorter each skill level), while Mystic only has a 1 second cooldown the whole way through.

Also worth noting is that, unless Chi gain increases with skill level, Venos only gain 8 chi per heal as opposed to Mystics gaining 10. Which makes sparked healing a much more readily available option.

We even get an extra meter of range. ;X

In fact the only thing that's flat out better about a Veno's heals are the fact they're so much cheaper MP wise.

/rambling

You shouldn't need help healing your pet for anything. Take that 30 points out of vit and put it in mag. A single refine can get you that much HP.

A wiz for healing would be sufficient for most things (can stand back out of AoE to heal a veno), but a Cleric would be best for reasons already stated and then some. A sage cleric can use a repeatable macro that includes things like a pdef +100% (vanguard spirit), -20%ch buff (magic shell), Purify, and a strong HoT Ironheart w/o running out of MP (using Spirit's Gift). -Set it and forget it. I've used macros using these skills for bosses like the second one in FFC and Wurlord in TT and saved a lot on MP charm. Then there's the 40m revive. You'll get tired of buffing every 1/2 hour to hour just to avoid xp loss.

gjfgjkfgkgfjkgfjkgfjkgf wrote: »

no my pet heals are fine thats not what i was getting at, i was just assuming if i duo tt id be able to more than i can solo, not due to pet heals though.

If pet heals aren't the issue, just pick a good alt class that you'd like to play. All classes can contribute in some way or another.

BM - Heaven's Flame
Wiz - DD/minor heals
Archer - Sharptooth Arrow
Cleric - Buffs/Heals/Debuff/DD
Mystic - See cleric
Seeker - Debuffs/DD
Assassin - Rib Strike
Psychic - DD/minor heals
Barb - Buffs/Debuffs/DD

(Not by any means an exhaustive list, but you get the point.)

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's possible it's just that the mystics I've run with have cast less often to conserve MP.

Or maybe they just have a significantly lower magic attack than I do. (Which is unlikely, since I'm a hybrid vit veno)

But I certainly see my pets hp go up more slowly when they take over the healing.

Interesting about the range though, that has possibilities.

Skimping on heals to save MP is probably it. After all 275 MP a pop is pretty steep compared to a Veno's 95 MP (assuming both heals at max level). Granted...it's not an excuse for slacking, but still. b:cry

__Astarte__ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Skimping on heals to save MP is probably it. After all 275 MP a pop is pretty steep compared to a Veno's 95 MP (assuming both heals at max level). Granted...it's not an excuse for slacking, but still. b:cry

You're addressing someone who's admittedly skimped on matk:

"since I'm a hybrid vit veno"