Advice on Fists

RamArch - Lost City
RamArch - Lost City Posts: 218 Arc User
edited July 2011 in Archer
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16108 or
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/16110

Which is better, and how much aps cube gets with proc!!b:shocked
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Berserk is a suicidal proc for archers. You're LA, you don't get bloodpaint heals, and you don't have the survival skills of a sin. Having an almost constant damage amp on you is no help at all in that regards.
  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Gorenox.

    And since i'm in a fist thread...

    Fist of fecalius for pvp?

    Would the rip proc on g6 make up for the loss of the heal/dmg proc on gorenox, as well as the 20% dmg difference resulting from losing 1 aps?

    Does it stack?

    Does anyone have any info on this?
  • XDeath$trike - Dreamweaver
    XDeath$trike - Dreamweaver Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Gorenox Vanity is by far better.You only get -0.05 from berserk which you get from gorenox vanity without the suicidal chance and also gorenox vanity has heal and damage increase.
    Also at same aps gorenox vanity is better than deicide (more damage+heal).:P
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Real question is, who are you fisting in PvP and why?
  • Karjala__ - Sanctuary
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Real question is, who are you fisting in PvP and why?

    Real question is how would he get Bm rank fist on archer?....-refering to Sint-
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Real question is how would he get Bm rank fist on archer?....-refering to Sint-

    Pretty sure R6 fists don't have class requirement other than EGs b:shocked
  • Karjala__ - Sanctuary
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Pretty sure R6 fists don't have class requirement other than EGs b:shocked

    Yea but, no rank stuff is tradeable. If they were all bm's and barbs and everyone would be running with -0,10 int chests xD
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yea but, no rank stuff is tradeable. If they were all bm's and barbs and everyone would be running with -0,10 int chests xD

    Account stash b:bye
  • Karjala__ - Sanctuary
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Account stash b:bye

    Troll more pls
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Account stash b:bye

    Can't Account Stash rank gear...

    Unless the sage weapons are stashable, which may very well be, but I doubt it :o
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Can't Account Stash rank gear...

    Unless the sage weapons are stashable, which may very well be, but I doubt it :o

    Weapon of sages are not really rank gear. They don't even need R6 to use, just need R6 to obtain. If I got a R6 veno, I can get the WoS there and stash in to my non-rank wizard if I wanted to.

    @Kraja fail more please b:bye
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Weapon of Sages are account stashable, have no reputation requirement, and no class requirement (outside of the few class specific weapon types). It kinda annoys me when people call them rank 6 weapons.
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  • Karjala__ - Sanctuary
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Weapon of sages are not really rank gear. They don't even need R6 to use, just need R6 to obtain. If I got a R6 veno, I can get the WoS there and stash in to my non-rank wizard if I wanted to.

    @Kraja fail more please b:bye

    Alright i was wrong but at my earlier post i mentioned rank8 chests and u didn't say anything but account stash so... yea b:laugh
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    The new Soaring Spirit sword is seeker only for some reason...BMs aren't allowed to use it b:chuckle
  • RamArch - Lost City
    RamArch - Lost City Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Still is the damage better, and i think i might buy it cause it looks fun. If a 5 aps sin or 4 can hold my agro from it, then it may over damage ☆Gorenox Vanity
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  • RamArch - Lost City
    RamArch - Lost City Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/ec5811d34da857e0

    I find it looks good, (i put 0.1 in cape cause of the proc on the fists and the barb buff damage for proc also, i'm not sure how much damage or even more than barb buffs) compared to

    http://pwcalc.com/8268f2cce93629f1

    I was thinking of buying it today and try it, if it not worth it (damage wise) can always sell it back i guess ( or is it hard to find a seller lol)

    What you say??b:surrender
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    RamArch - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/ec5811d34da857e0

    I find it looks good, (i put 0.1 in cape cause of the proc on the fists and the barb buff damage for proc also, i'm not sure how much damage or even more than barb buffs) compared to

    http://pwcalc.com/8268f2cce93629f1

    I was thinking of buying it today and try it, if it not worth it (damage wise) can always sell it back i guess ( or is it hard to find a seller lol)

    What you say??b:surrender

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  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Question. Why use fists if you can use Decides made from the same item as the Cube CV fists, with a better proc, better damage AND with them you would be 5.0 demon sparked versus 4.0 demon sparked.

    Its a no-brainer really.... b:surrender
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  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Real question is how would he get Bm rank fist on archer?....-refering to Sint-
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yea but, no rank stuff is tradeable. If they were all bm's and barbs and everyone would be running with -0,10 int chests xD
    Karjala__ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Troll more pls

    Oh god.

    You are so dumb.

    R6 stuff is account stashable, except for 1 weapon?

    Edit: Although you know that now. Congratulations.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Thanks for clarifying that bit about the sage weapons. I blame inactivity and my own personal mental retardation on not knowing that little tidbit.
    RamArch - Lost City wrote: »
    if it not worth it (damage wise) can always sell it back i guess

    In my experience, this is a bad idea. b:surrender
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Since my Archer will be primarily for TW and sometimes maybe open PK, should I even bother stat enough STR for FC fists if I don't ever need to farm with Archer? I don't have a problem with switch weapons mid fight since I'm a BM, but I don't see myself pulling out fists on a melee target like a Sin.
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Since my Archer will be primarily for TW and sometimes maybe open PK, should I even bother stat enough STR for FC fists if I don't ever need to farm with Archer? I don't have a problem with switch weapons mid fight since I'm a BM, but I don't see myself pulling out fists on a melee target like a Sin.

    who would you fist though.. any melee will stun you and you cant spam skills with fist o.o

    I mean.. i have seen people done it before, but i doubt is that viable b:chuckle
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    who would you fist though.. any melee will stun you and you cant spam skills with fist o.o

    I mean.. i have seen people done it before, but i doubt is that viable b:chuckle

    I have no idea lol, that's why I'm asking if there are any other reason for Archer to use fists if I don't need to farm on it.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    If you aren't farming, fists have only two semi-practical uses on an archer.

    1: Getting chi without burning genie stam/chi pots/15minute cooldown level 100 skill
    2: Nerfing your damage to let someone else tank because with a good bow and use of your melee/metal skills, close range penalty won't matter.

    Neither use requires you to add extra str for the fists.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    No don't stat that much strength if your archer is mainly only for TW. You can even still wear fists just by getting ornaments with added strength and strength tome etc.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Since my Archer will be primarily for TW and sometimes maybe open PK, should I even bother stat enough STR for FC fists if I don't ever need to farm with Archer? I don't have a problem with switch weapons mid fight since I'm a BM, but I don't see myself pulling out fists on a melee target like a Sin.

    mages who blink into your face to get away from rank 8 bow damage will get a nice suprise

    aside from that nada
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    mages who blink into your face to get away from rank 8 bow damage will get a nice suprise

    aside from that nada

    Why wouldn't you wingspan and pledge the **** out of them?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Why wouldn't you wingspan and pledge the **** out of them?

    because 5 aps base with highly refined fists is hilarious and does a bit more damage unless one of them hax rank 9's
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I'm interested in using fists for the few things they are better at. And also because it makes bms cry when i kill them with fists. Same with archers. It's also good for killing tards who get in my face, since i'm going for an aps build on my archer anyway.

    If you're 4/5 aps base, demon wingspan is still nice for the shield, but if you count the time you waste casting skills, the dmg comparison (fists vs. bow, using winged pledge and wingspan only, in case of, say, mages, or fists vs bow, using metal attacks in case of heavy classes) fists come out on top. Unless your bow is far better than your fists. In THAT case, your fists are useless in pvp. Seeing how the question concerns using a sage fist for pvp, lets assume that's not the case.

    Does anyone know what the proc rate for Rip is, and wether it stacks? I'm trying to figure out wether it would be better than gorenox vanity for pvp, taking into account i should be reaching 5 aps with the latter, and i already know the unsparked dmg on gorenox is probably one of the best in the game (on fists, when used by an archer, at 5aps).
  • SinFulGodX - Sanctuary
    SinFulGodX - Sanctuary Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Lulznotwar - Lost City wrote: »
    Question. Why use fists if you can use Decides made from the same item as the Cube CV fists, with a better proc, better damage AND with them you would be 5.0 demon sparked versus 4.0 demon sparked.

    Its a no-brainer really.... b:surrender

    This

    as i read through the thread it was scaring me that no one thought of Deicide

    b:shutup

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