APS and Nirvana
SilverMinx - Lost City
Posts: 452 Arc User
Just had to get this off my mind...
Those who are Nirvana Snobs and only run Nirvana with 5.0's - get your heads outta your assets!
Remember that wizards, clerics and archers are very, very important in full GV (for your culti's). If you are in a TW'ing faction they are crucial for a success war.
I find it utterly disgusting that some classes are ACTIVELY excluded in Nirvana. I would suggest that the shunned classes REFUSE to help in GV's and TW's of those that have snubbed you.
I laugh when I see Nirvana Snobs search for 1/2 hr for a 10min run when they can get a party in 5mins but have a 15mins run. But obviously some are too stupid to do the math.
Cheers!
Those who are Nirvana Snobs and only run Nirvana with 5.0's - get your heads outta your assets!
Remember that wizards, clerics and archers are very, very important in full GV (for your culti's). If you are in a TW'ing faction they are crucial for a success war.
I find it utterly disgusting that some classes are ACTIVELY excluded in Nirvana. I would suggest that the shunned classes REFUSE to help in GV's and TW's of those that have snubbed you.
I laugh when I see Nirvana Snobs search for 1/2 hr for a 10min run when they can get a party in 5mins but have a 15mins run. But obviously some are too stupid to do the math.
Cheers!
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No classes are excluded from Nirvana. They are perfectly free to make their own squads. That's like saying your mini-van is excluded from the highway just because sports cars don't want to take road trips with you. They have their choice of not taking a less DPS DD with them just as you have a choice of not taking a Sin to GV because they have sht AoEs. No 5 APS is stopping you from running Nirvana.0
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Think she means people should be nicer and let others leech more ^_^
Like bringing a sin to Rebirth over a Seeker/Archer/Wiz even tho it will make the run more difficult and costly. Having a sin in Rebirth really sucks btw cuz crappiest AOE ever and the other DDs will have a harder time staying alive.
Same with low APS chars in NV, it brings down the effectiveness of the squad drastically and the others will have higher repairs and more charm ticks + used hp pots than if they invited someone useful.
But i do agree with OP that you should at least give friends and guildies a break and not exclude them from instances, even tho their chars aren't perfectly suitable for it. Of course you cant care for all those random 200 people you happen to share factionlogo with, but you can at least throw a NV invite to longterm and loyal guildies that you been playing with for a while.
Expecting people in general to bring your caster (or any char with low APS) to NV is just weird tho, why the hell would they let you leech they dont even know you or care that you need coins or uncannies. Running NV with casters and bow users gives me a severe headache and makes my strain injury worse as well so i usually avoid it unless im in a very good mood.0 -
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SilverMinx - Lost City wrote: »Just had to get this off my mind...
Those who are Nirvana Snobs and only run Nirvana with 5.0's - get your heads outta your assets!
Remember that wizards, clerics and archers are very, very important in full GV (for your culti's). If you are in a TW'ing faction they are crucial for a success war.
I find it utterly disgusting that some classes are ACTIVELY excluded in Nirvana. I would suggest that the shunned classes REFUSE to help in GV's and TW's of those that have snubbed you.
I laugh when I see Nirvana Snobs search for 1/2 hr for a 10min run when they can get a party in 5mins but have a 15mins run. But obviously some are too stupid to do the math.
Cheers!
Those Nirvana snobs, are usually the assassins who never get brought into a GV, the ones who get bi-passed every single time that BH100 comes up. Yes there important in TW and GV, guess why most assassins rolled an archer on the same account or most archers rolled a sin? I agree waiting 30 mins for one DD is dumb, I'll lower my standards and get a lower aps class. Most of my runs involve 2 BM's 3 sins and either a veno or a barb. I like the run's i go in, I'm also to impatient to spend 15+ minutes in a run.
If you feel that bad for those people, feel free to invite them to your squad, or have them make there own.Ahira is a spyb:cryb:cryb:cry0 -
b:laugh
Why run nirvana with people.. Its soloable.. Maybe duoable if your lazy to log a cleric.
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WTF is all this exclude non-APS from Nirvana and whatever. That's so silly. Y'all need to start excluding people for being people.
and solo runs like Kedge just said.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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SilverMinx QQing again... Buy claws and interval gear and try ur luck, or just make a int sin or BM...0
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SilverMinx - Lost City wrote: »Just had to get this off my mind...
Those who are Nirvana Snobs and only run Nirvana with 5.0's - get your heads outta your assets!
Remember that wizards, clerics and archers are very, very important in full GV (for your culti's). If you are in a TW'ing faction they are crucial for a success war.
I find it utterly disgusting that some classes are ACTIVELY excluded in Nirvana. I would suggest that the shunned classes REFUSE to help in GV's and TW's of those that have snubbed you.
I laugh when I see Nirvana Snobs search for 1/2 hr for a 10min run when they can get a party in 5mins but have a 15mins run. But obviously some are too stupid to do the math.
Cheers!
Didn't you post this on this forum, Spectral, Kami and Vengeful's forum about this issue over and over? If it didn't work/change the first time then what makes you think people might change their minds again...0 -
agro reset -> wizard hit -> boss run -> averyone run after boos + dragon wasted + spark wasted + wizard probably dead
nty, why would i do multiruns and ask someone to just stay in the corner cose its beter when he do nothing?
NV is not fair for caster.
But im up for 99's key for my guild mates wizards.0 -
who cares lol i get skipped over in frost for being a sin i dont QQ about it i just go out and pk b:victory0
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Channman - Lost City wrote: »who cares lol i get skipped over in frost for being a sin i dont QQ about it i just go out and pk b:victory
You get skipped over in frost for being a sin b:shocked your sin must really really fail...0 -
Relax all, Magic only NV is coming next Tuesday. But we archer are NOT a magic class.0
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I've always said they should have separate instances where magic classes excel at, IE mob nirvana. Instead of ? mobs, they kill masses of level 101 mobs. Sure sins can still do that somewhat effectively, but not as effective as a psychic or a wizard. You could still two man but you'd need to learn an effective strategy of luring all the mobs as well as using EPs to NOT die.
Wish I was a dev sometimes :<"Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady." - Nakhimov
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I don't take wizards, archers, psys etc. They suck donkey balls. And when I need GV for my cultis, all my 5.0 APS sin-alt having friends jump on their Wizards, psys, BMs, Barbs to do it. Then we go back to doing 5.0 Sin/BM only Nirvanas without any lame wizards, psys, archers, etc.
b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Still trying to move your cursor, eh?0 -
Amour - Lost City wrote: »I've always said they should have separate instances where magic classes excel at, IE mob nirvana. Instead of ? mobs, they kill masses of level 101 mobs. Sure sins can still do that somewhat effectively, but not as effective as a psychic or a wizard. You could still two man but you'd need to learn an effective strategy of luring all the mobs as well as using EPs to NOT die.
Wish I was a dev sometimes :<
I for one am glad you are not a dev, since this game would fall into a pit of rainbows and everything would become a large pink fleshy tube with two spherical objects attached to the base, spraying white goo over everything from a helmet shaped tip.
Edit:Plus glory holes....glory holes everywhere.0 -
Glory holes are good!0
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I feel bad for people who aren't aps based classes since they do get excluded a lot unless they can find some willing friends to help out, but I guess the whole aps craze has been in the game long enough now and we've endured enough 2x's for people to realise they may need to make a secondary char for effective farming and inclusion in instances like Nirvana. I know not everyone has the time or money to make a farming char, but with the game being 3 years old (almost) and the ability to level quickly with Frost, it's not too much of a stretch to level a char and get a set of Deicide's and some 99 gear to be ~4.0, especially if you're serious about playing the game and succeeding to at least a mild degree.
What's more worrying is that now I keep seeing people shouting for 5.0 aps classes for Nirvana and also wanting the weapons to have a refine of +11 or 12 to be considered for inclusion... xD0 -
Jhalil - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't take wizards, archers, psys etc. They suck donkey balls. And when I need GV for my cultis, all my 5.0 APS sin-alt having friends jump on their Wizards, psys, BMs, Barbs to do it. Then we go back to doing 5.0 Sin/BM only Nirvanas without any lame wizards, psys, archers, etc.
b:victory
Just basically said your friends are lame aswell coz they have wiz psys archers etc.0 -
Make a sin, get 5 aps. Farm nirv. Use profits to fund your crappy class. Or... Form a non-aps squad, it isn't that hard.
I remember I seen a wizard in faction chat ask for an aps DD for nirvana. I was like you seriously asking that? You should be lucky you're even going. But eh, stop crying. Make a sin or do 40 minute runs with other crappy aps classes.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Ashura Tyrant you foul mouthed little boy! I must keel yew nao =30 -
My solution is to have friends. They take my veno with them even if it's 5.0s with us.
If not, well you can still start squads yourself.
I don't see any problem with getting your runs if you try.
Also, if you can make a 'more useful' char with the gear you already got, why not do it.
I'm often enough helping my friends out with my cleric. Connections help lol
Lol at whoever said they don't take casters to vana but gladly help with their 99 keys. Lets **** them over but lets take the profit, eh. Nice attitude...[SIGPIC][SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Scuzeme - Dreamweaver wrote: »Just basically said your friends are lame aswell coz they have wiz psys archers etc.
Nu, I said the classes are lame. Bb:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Still trying to move your cursor, eh?0 -
only posting here cuz I saw Jhalil's name
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How can you call 5.0 people selfish... if only you knew ... Make a 5.0 char and find out
how annoying casters are.. and you'd probably be the guy who Q.Q's about not getting in
5.0 squads but when the first chance comes around you grab a 5.0 DDer instead of a
caster b:sad
long story short.. too many people Q.Q about not getting nirvana.... and Q.Q about 5.0
APS squads always sticking together... but those are the same people not squadding with
their fellow non-APS people "cuz it's too slow"..... don't Q.Q about not getting in 5.0 squads...
make your non-APS squads
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You guys seem lost. PVE forums are that-a-way *points*"Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady." - Nakhimov
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But Amour is right here! b:dirtyb:kissb:cuteElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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Amour - Lost City wrote: »You guys seem lost. PVE forums are that-a-way *points*
Their home is already in ruins and they are trying to come here
It's like a group of flies that have already invested one piece of meat and are trying to move to a new one b:cry0 -
well... if you find atleast 3 really good sins, you can include 1 bm, 1barb, 1 veno;
would still be a super fast run especially if those classes are aps and have lvl 11skills... but then again lol
clerics & wizards/psychics still left out though :<
unless friends/guildies help you run from time to time
OR... OR... OR....
If those caster class has more than 1... well.. nvm xD
Let's just say, you dont need a 6man party.0 -
lol...... who says sins dont get GV runs?
i do 2-3 full GVs a day and im a sin :O
bm cleric sin psy wiz wiz
bm= dragon
sin= subsea
psy= NUKE!
wiz= NUKE!
wiz=NUKE!
cleric = bb
once im done with that i go do 5 min nv runs.....
at times i take rank 9 wiz :O coz they soo OP and steal agro from e for 1 sec :Ob:shocked0 -
SilverMinx - Lost City wrote: »Just had to get this off my mind...
Those who are Nirvana Snobs and only run Nirvana with 5.0's - get your heads outta your assets!
Remember that wizards, clerics and archers are very, very important in full GV (for your culti's). If you are in a TW'ing faction they are crucial for a success war.
I find it utterly disgusting that some classes are ACTIVELY excluded in Nirvana. I would suggest that the shunned classes REFUSE to help in GV's and TW's of those that have snubbed you.
I laugh when I see Nirvana Snobs search for 1/2 hr for a 10min run when they can get a party in 5mins but have a 15mins run. But obviously some are too stupid to do the math.
Cheers!
Lol...
lets do the math. I take 30 mins to get a 6 man squad (usually 3 5.0 sins, 2 5.0 BMs, and 1 Veno or Barb)
I then do 5 runs, each run taking 6 minutes. I hve now spent 1 hour and done 5 runs with a repair fee of about 50k on my claws and almost no armor repair because I am not the tanking sin. This has taken me 1 hour.
Alternative. I take 5 minutes to grab some randoms with no rhythm or coordination. Each run takes approximately 15-30mins with bonus dangers/tasks such as more wing spawns because of slower killed boss, having to kill gargoyles/foxes, having to run from timed boss, having to run chests, having to purge second boss, having to run to old man's red circle etc...
usually, I do one run, maybe 2 with second squad option as it has been approximately an hour (little more) after 2 runs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
Alternative. I take 5 minutes to grab some randoms with no rhythm or coordination. Each run takes approximately 15-30mins with bonus dangers/tasks such as more wing spawns because of slower killed boss, having to kill gargoyles/foxes, having to run from timed boss, having to run chests, having to purge second boss, having to run to old man's red circle etc...
usually, I do one run, maybe 2 with second squad option as it has been approximately an hour (little more) after 2 runs.
Thats exactly why people only wanna do full 5.0 runs, to avoid all those extra tasks you have to do if you cant kill bosses in 30-45 sec <_<
Nirvana is already boring and annoying to run, if you have to do something else than spark macro, amp + debuff and resist seals, the instance is pretty much unbearable.
If it takes 5 minutes or 50 minutes to find a good squad doesn't really matter, as long as i dont have to do bs activities like running, digging and killing adds once im in there. My poor nervous system cant handle running around and playing with the stupid chicken for 5 minutes to avoid fire spawns. I cant endure the frustration of failing to kill the stupid foxies while mp is perma drained either.
Never understood why people wanna run NV on casters/archers/any low aps char so badly in the first place. Its not very profitable and its definitely not fun with 15-20 min runs. Blame developers for not balancing classes in PVP and PVE individually, blame them for setting the difficult level in NV and TT 3-X based on APS, blame them for not making instances where casters are useful. Dont **** on other players for picking the most suitable party, they just wanna make coins without getting a massive headache.
Anyway dont you need like 5.0 +11/12 to get NV squads now lol. Haven't played in ages.0 -
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