Refine success rate?

krazyphade
krazyphade Posts: 5 Arc User
edited June 2011 in Dungeons & Tactics
Does anyone know, or is there even a refine/upgrade guide that shows the SUCCESS RATE of each time you refine/upgrade a weapon/armor from +1 to +12?

Like for EXAMPLE: is refining to +1 100%, and refining to +2 would be lowered maybe to like 70%, refine +3 50%, and so on, etc...

Can anyone help me out here?

Thank you in advance
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    It does decrease like that, but the numbers seem smaller.


    Tiaque - Sanctuary posted:

    +1 = 95% chance of success
    +2 = 50%
    +3 = 25%
    +4 = 10%
    +5 = 5%
    +6 = 1%
    +7 = .5%
    +8 = .25%
    +9 = .1%
    +10 = .05%
    +11 = .025%
    +12 = .01%
  • TidalFury - Sanctuary
    TidalFury - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I am pissed, if that table is true, which it may be theoretically, then why did i just blow 250 mirages refining a weapon to +3?

    By the way it never made it to +3.

    That table is purely theoretical.

    Yes i am one angry son of a beotch right now.
  • JennyAngel - Dreamweaver
    JennyAngel - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    TidalFury - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am pissed, if that table is true, which it may be theoretically, then why did i just blow 250 mirages refining a weapon to +3?

    By the way it never made it to +3.

    That table is purely theoretical.

    Yes i am one angry son of a beotch right now.

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  • NiightmareXz - Harshlands
    NiightmareXz - Harshlands Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hate to tell you, but if you're so pissed make a new thread instead of necro'ing one from... 09. o_o
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    there's no reason to think that two-year-old table is even correct in the first place. the wiki has a very different table.
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  • Beautynbtch - Heavens Tear
    Beautynbtch - Heavens Tear Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it Does Decrease Like That, But The Numbers Seem Smaller.


    Tiaque - Sanctuary Posted:

    +1 = 95% Chance Of Success
    +2 = 50%
    +3 = 25%
    +4 = 10%
    +5 = 5%
    +6 = 1%
    +7 = .5%
    +8 = .25%
    +9 = .1%
    +10 = .05%
    +11 = .025%
    +12 = .01%
    Lie!!!!
    +1=less Than 30%
    +2=less Than 10%
    +3=never!!!!without Any Refining Aid Items !!!!!
    +4=if U Never Reach +3 U Will Never Reach This!!!!!!!
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Beautynbtch - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lie!!!!
    +1=less Than 30%
    +2=less Than 10%
    +3=never!!!!without Any Refining Aid Items !!!!!
    +4=if U Never Reach +3 U Will Never Reach This!!!!!!!

    +1 does seem to be about a 50% chance, in my experience, just as the wiki says. +2 i can't really say, but i've personally refined a weapon to +3 using mirages alone --- and it didn't even take all that many. i haven't tried for +4 yet.
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  • LunarCainEX - Dreamweaver
    LunarCainEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    -.-
    here is a tip for the highest refine with no need for refine aids
    Join a faction that owns a land
    Use the land officer for refining gears
    They got the highest refine rate then the crappy Elders
    Example I can get +5 on my wep using only 10 Mirages -.-
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  • Kaste - Sanctuary
    Kaste - Sanctuary Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I laughed at the replies.

    Real refine rates with mirages only:

    1: 50%
    2: 30%
    3: 30%
    4: 30%
    5: 30%
    6: 30%
    7: 30%
    8: 30%
    9: 25%
    10: 20%
    11: 12%
    12: 5%

    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Refining
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    LunarCainEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    -.-
    here is a tip for the highest refine with no need for refine aids
    Join a faction that owns a land
    Use the land officer for refining gears
    They got the highest refine rate then the crappy Elders
    Example I can get +5 on my wep using only 10 Mirages -.-

    here's a better tip: don't trust stupid rumors like this, they're all bogus.

    getting to +5 without failing, as you mention, has a probability of 0.00405, or just less than one-half of one percent. that's low, but a lot higher than winning most lotteries, so it'll happen relatively often on a populated server.

    what you can NOT do is reliably get to +5 using mirages alone, without failing, more than a few times in a few hundred tries. no, it flat out doesn't matter where in the game you try it. (if you can, you're exploiting a bug somehow --- or you're using refining aids.)
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  • Innamorata - Harshlands
    Innamorata - Harshlands Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    (if you can, you're exploiting a bug somehow --- or you're using refining aids.)

    Or you should of bought a lottery ticket.
  • SoulRequiem - Sanctuary
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    3 Stories:

    - I once failed +1 Refine 7 times IN A ROW

    - With 50 event gold from DQ points,I burned 30 Tiek. and 10 Tisha,about 250 mirages and couldn't get my weapon to +5

    - It took me 120 mirages to refine a necklace(1 mirage x try) to +3

    ...more horror stories around.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »
    - I once failed +1 Refine 7 times IN A ROW

    p=0.0078125, so a bit more than 3/4ths of one percent probability. not that unlikely, really, considering how often people refine things. you got heads on seven consecutive coin flips --- uncommon, but no miracle.

    i don't have the head for maths to figure out your second story's odds, the refining aids make that scenario much too complex. but:
    - It took me 120 mirages to refine a necklace(1 mirage x try) to +3

    to +3 an item has p = 0.5*0.3*0.3 = 0.045; trying 120 times without getting that sequence of events... is something i should be able to calculate the probability of, but the chained dependencies just got the better of me. given the likelihood of a successful +3, though, i'd guesstimate it's not really that bad of a horror story.
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