Im not one to complain usually...
Deadlife - Lost City
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But how is it possible or even allowable whether on a "pvp" server or not for another to player to engage you in pk, and constantly stun, attack, tick your charm, attack till <300hp sleep you, wait for your charm to tick before starting all over again, then repeating over and over and over again until basically your only options are to force log, and when you do you come back some minutes later and he/she is waiting in that same spot for you...
I dont understand how when I questioned other players about it I got the answer "oh thats just pk" and it seemed completely acceptable.
I dont have a super extensive history of games played online, but in the ones I have manipulating gameplay in that manner constituted as griefing another player and was considered "against the rules".
I couldnt help but feel like totally helpless and I tried to get away, it was like a cruel taunt lol...
It just seems logical in my mind that yea ok its a pk server, sure stun me do whatever u can to kill me, but when u stop attacking on purpose with the sole intention of trying to ruin an item of mine(such as a charm) then that seems like it should not be allowed.
Im just curious if this is not just limited to LC or is a worldwide accepted tactic to **** people off on a personal level and call it normal gameplay/pk
I dont understand how when I questioned other players about it I got the answer "oh thats just pk" and it seemed completely acceptable.
I dont have a super extensive history of games played online, but in the ones I have manipulating gameplay in that manner constituted as griefing another player and was considered "against the rules".
I couldnt help but feel like totally helpless and I tried to get away, it was like a cruel taunt lol...
It just seems logical in my mind that yea ok its a pk server, sure stun me do whatever u can to kill me, but when u stop attacking on purpose with the sole intention of trying to ruin an item of mine(such as a charm) then that seems like it should not be allowed.
Im just curious if this is not just limited to LC or is a worldwide accepted tactic to **** people off on a personal level and call it normal gameplay/pk
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No idea if it's against the ToS to do so... I suggest making a screenie or a small vid and sending in a ticket though...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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isn't this like...the definition of harassment?
solution: what she said ^^0 -
PWE is an evil company and those kind of tactics help them sell more charms as some people will replace their charm once it is empty. They are probably thanking the griefers for making them money.0
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Deadlife - Lost City wrote: »But how is it possible or even allowable whether on a "pvp" server or not for another to player to engage you in pk, and constantly stun, attack, tick your charm, attack till <300hp sleep you, wait for your charm to tick before starting all over again, then repeating over and over and over again until basically your only options are to force log, and when you do you come back some minutes later and he/she is waiting in that same spot for you...
I dont understand how when I questioned other players about it I got the answer "oh thats just pk" and it seemed completely acceptable.
I dont have a super extensive history of games played online, but in the ones I have manipulating gameplay in that manner constituted as griefing another player and was considered "against the rules".
I couldnt help but feel like totally helpless and I tried to get away, it was like a cruel taunt lol...
It just seems logical in my mind that yea ok its a pk server, sure stun me do whatever u can to kill me, but when u stop attacking on purpose with the sole intention of trying to ruin an item of mine(such as a charm) then that seems like it should not be allowed.
Im just curious if this is not just limited to LC or is a worldwide accepted tactic to **** people off on a personal level and call it normal gameplay/pk
Forrest Gump much?
1) Leave the area.
2) Fight back.
3) If you can't kill them, ask in faction "anyone up for PK?"
4) World chat and beg for help?
5) Reroll PvE.
Why you would cry about this, or bother submitting a ticket is beyond me. It's a PvP server. Either run away and hide, fight back or play a different server.
b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
The only way someone can keep you there like that without either accidentally killing you, or giving you the gap to run away is a skilled Sin.
Sucks that you picked a class with a nearly unuseable anti stun skill. *shurgs*0 -
What Dan said.
Go pve server, I myself like to charm **** barbs...stun dem dd wait for charm to tick, repeat process until they end up leaving XD. Sometimes we just get bored.0 -
Lol PvP on this game, mega fail.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Deadlife - Lost City wrote: »But how is it possible or even allowable whether on a "pvp" server or not for another to player to engage you in pk, and constantly stun, attack, tick your charm, attack till <300hp sleep you, wait for your charm to tick before starting all over again, then repeating over and over and over again until basically your only options are to force log, and when you do you come back some minutes later and he/she is waiting in that same spot for you...
I dont understand how when I questioned other players about it I got the answer "oh thats just pk" and it seemed completely acceptable.
I dont have a super extensive history of games played online, but in the ones I have manipulating gameplay in that manner constituted as griefing another player and was considered "against the rules".
I couldnt help but feel like totally helpless and I tried to get away, it was like a cruel taunt lol...
It just seems logical in my mind that yea ok its a pk server, sure stun me do whatever u can to kill me, but when u stop attacking on purpose with the sole intention of trying to ruin an item of mine(such as a charm) then that seems like it should not be allowed.
Im just curious if this is not just limited to LC or is a worldwide accepted tactic to **** people off on a personal level and call it normal gameplay/pk
Remove all your gear maybe? Than he will kill you without even realizing whats going on and get a red name.
Use anti stun skill/genie/pot and run away?
Stun/seal/paralyze him and run away?
Attack him back?
Ask someone in guild/friends to come help?
Force log than go on another char and scout to make sure he is gone?
I cant see any reason why you would let someone tick your charms that many times unless you're afk. He was probably just trying to get you to fight back, thats why he stopped as soon as the charm ticked. If he keeps showing up every time you grind and pulls the same move over and over than yes do write a ticket and take SS, than its harassment. But this was a one time thing so he really didn't do anything wrong beside an *** and thats not against ToS.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »Forrest Gump much?
1) Leave the area.
2) Fight back.
3) If you can't kill them, ask in faction "anyone up for PK?"
4) World chat and beg for help?
5) Reroll PvE.
Why you would cry about this, or bother submitting a ticket is beyond me. It's a PvP server. Either run away and hide, fight back or play a different server.
b:bye
1) as stated and ill repeat in english this time, I tried, sorry I dont have an anti-stun like you, or am as great and godly in pvp as you.
2)fight back? lol I was asleep for 80% of the fight, the other 20% i was froze and in that time...that short time I was trying to run hoping to get holy path to hit right when that very very short gap of not being slept or froze.
3) noone was on, it was late, really late...but i suppose your cute and smart reply will be "join a different faction"....
4) I did, and again I do beleive that was answered and the general concensus was that its ok to do that cause "hey its pk"
5) why reroll pve? it was a one time thing, ive played this server almost a year, one time in a year something that really technically should be against a rule I should just up and quit?
Id love to have fought back, truly, in the off chance i could have zerk critted I would have totally one shot him and that would have been the ONLY hope I could have had....otherwise sins are just too tactically better advanced in 1v1 pvp than a seeker, especially when hes 100+ with +10 or better endgame gear, and im sitting at 91....
but again it was futile, say i would have hit him back, then what, it still would not have changed the fact that what he was doing to intentionally keep me engaged whether to tick my charm, or PREVENT me from doing anything else completely is harrassment/griefing.
whats the point of pk/pvp? death right? a kill count? victory?0 -
Deadlife - Lost City wrote: ».
whats the point of pk/pvp? death right? a kill count? victory?
i find the point of pk/pvp is to make people QQ on the forums b:shutup[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=35659754004&dateline=1307964376[/SIGPIC]
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just take all your gear off... he will end up kiling you before your charm can tick again... i mean ppl... and if he cant kill you then FIGHT HIM BACK...0
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Deadlife - Lost City wrote: »1) as stated and ill repeat in english this time, I tried, sorry I dont have an anti-stun like you, or am as great and godly in pvp as you.
2)fight back? lol I was asleep for 80% of the fight, the other 20% i was froze and in that time...that short time I was trying to run hoping to get holy path to hit right when that very very short gap of not being slept or froze.
3) noone was on, it was late, really late...but i suppose your cute and smart reply will be "join a different faction"....
4) I did, and again I do beleive that was answered and the general concensus was that its ok to do that cause "hey its pk"
5) why reroll pve? it was a one time thing, ive played this server almost a year, one time in a year something that really technically should be against a rule I should just up and quit?
Id love to have fought back, truly, in the off chance i could have zerk critted I would have totally one shot him and that would have been the ONLY hope I could have had....otherwise sins are just too tactically better advanced in 1v1 pvp than a seeker, especially when hes 100+ with +10 or better endgame gear, and im sitting at 91....
but again it was futile, say i would have hit him back, then what, it still would not have changed the fact that what he was doing to intentionally keep me engaged whether to tick my charm, or PREVENT me from doing anything else completely is harrassment/griefing.
whats the point of pk/pvp? death right? a kill count? victory?
1) How about you repeat it again in proper English? b:chuckle
2-5) /yawn
It sounds like he was trying to get you to turn pink so he could kill you in hopes of getting you to drop something from your inventory.
Or he could have actually been harassing you. Maybe he was just trying to see how long he could attack you before you tried to fight back. Bullies are like that sometimes.
If you tried to fight back and died, you would have gone to town and this wouldn't have been an issue.
It's altogether possible you couldn't kill a sin higher level than you, why not try?
When I was grinding my way up the levels, I often got attacked by higher level players. I fought back. Sometimes they would die, but usually I would. PvP is part of the game and it's one of the reasons why many play.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
You guys never heard of something called Genie =? or rather more Absolute Domain or Expel, even Fortify =? No one in this ****** game could stun lock me forever, no one. Don't act like stupid and use your brains, there is no such thing as unbreakable stunlock or something, just unprepared players =P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I am really honered, ty b:victory
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Vacuity's power, Absolute Domain, Edged Blur, Last Stand... Forever stunlock has ways to be defended lol
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yea to be honest this really wasnt to be intended as a learn how to pvp, why u didnt do this or that, facts are facts, whether i didnt do something is besides the point. what if I did not have any pots, or genie, what if I was broke and couldnt afford them or chi. this seems to be turning into a why didnt "i" do something about it thread when the only answer I truly care about is from someone who knows 100% sure whether this is normal and allowable gameplay. do I have screenshots? do i have a video, no, do I plan to turn the guy in? how? no proof....other than what I have written.
you wanna put me down? call me names, whiner, wuss, doesnt matter
I do honestly beleive it was totally a case of the fact I was a seeker(edit:who was unprepared), I do not beleive that that whole series of events could have continued that long if I wasnt a class with no "homeade" antistun/sleep, the fact I had a **** zeal for pve luring/lvling equipped, and no pots...but it doesnt change the fact that HE EXPLOITED THAT TO PERSONALLY CAUSE GRIEF BY NOT LETTING ME LEAVE( OR KILLING ME) AND USING IT TO RUIN AN ITEM...thats the point, now whether theres anything wrong with that is obviously up for debate
but for sh*ts and giggles heres what happened to the best recall of my knowledge
headhunt, tackling slash, 5aps intervals(with +10 barrier thorns this i know for sure had plenty of time to player info as i sat helpless) then after a tick and i was down to 300-500 hp (this is the skill part, being able to stop before killing me) and then using deepsting to sleep me, then it just kept alternating between headhunt and occult ice as the starter but the rest was always the same, or a teleport stun after i got away the one time....
now yes had i had say a vac powder or sage unfetter I most likely could have gotten away, not disputing this, and you can garuntee they are a priority. And yea I could have hit back, should have, but again I was just totally dumbfounded, doubt it was to turn me pink tho I gather it was much more fun when he realized how in control of the situation and Im sure my complaints about what he was actually doing instead of just killing me didnt help.
but whatever I would say im done with talking about it but truth is I cant leave an argument alone and Im sure someone will have something else to say about what i say so I guess Ill be back later0 -
IMO if this happened only one time, it's hardly harassment.
In your case, I'd stalk him till I could catch him unprepared, then I'd go for him ( win or lose )
If you stand down, he'll just step on you more and more.
This is not a PvP tactics, it's a life lesson... if you don't stand tall and fight back, you get b:fatb 'd on0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »Forrest Gump much?
1) Leave the area.
2) Fight back.
3) If you can't kill them, ask in faction "anyone up for PK?"
4) World chat and beg for help?
5) Reroll PvE.
Why you would cry about this, or bother submitting a ticket is beyond me. It's a PvP server. Either run away and hide, fight back or play a different server.
b:bye
I disagree with the fact that you should have to change servers to avoid this grief. In most games when you intentionally just ** with people and make the game unplayable it is against the rules.
However, what Michael_Dark matches PW's views. If you get on Live Chat with them they'll tell you it's a PvP server so deal with it.0 -
Step 1) Open 2nd client
Step 2) Create a veno with maximum bust.
Step 3) Run said veno by pker.
Step 4) PROFIT
The assaulter will be so hypnotized by the "assets" he will let his guard down thus letting you kill him!
No I don't think a lot when I post on the forums b:sweat xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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+1 to Lu$t.. She always has the best ideas..lol.
Of course my thought would be.. If your gonna sleep and your on a pvp or in pk mode.. Use the safe zones.. thats what they are there for..0 -
He meant he got slept by an assassin skill, not he went to sleep with his eyes open and watched his charm get ticked.
Really take-off-armor is a pretty valid solution there lol...Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
those r sad ppl begging for attention, ppl like this exists in real life as well, u notice them for 15 min and that will brighten their unnoticed existance.
Go grind/quest in other area dont let them spoil u fun from game.
i would not submit a ticket, cose thats what they want, they would brag for weeks about geting banned for pk on pvp server0 -
Aizza - Harshlands wrote: »You can be on either end of this - the victim or the aggressor. Being the aggressor is not always a bad thing if YOU choose when and if to be. And this simply means, just because you can kill, does not mean you choose to.
Best thing to do is to take control of this situation. Check your FL when he attacks, notice if anyone logs, then logs out on it and *poof* he appears. One reason I delete from my FL often. A FL is for friends, people that got your back no matter what. I have 4 on mine. If you dont got my back, why the hell do I want you privvy to all of my movements on the map able to pm me at all times. Whisper is for acquaintances... Can't remember how to spell my name right? No wonder your not on my FL...
Learn to fight or die alone. Accept it. If you do not, it leads to great frustration.
Use this anger you feel to drive you. Set goals. Remember, time is the great equalizer.
Learn to PVP, understand gear and go Rocky on em. Train, Train, Train.....
And watch how they get soft, stand around holding up walls ....
As far as grinding > learn to move using FB entrances/exits, learn to use the big wolf to move to ADC, learn to not say in GC where you are heading and what you are doing. You never know who is whose bud.
I know how you feel... but until they invent a butt-hole bomb, there will be bullies and people that harass.
And btw.. if he does find you, give it one hell of a fight w/o saying a word. Most times bullies like to pick on weak victims - not victims that will leave them with bruises too.
Do you wear a tin foil hat so "that darn govament" cant read your thoughts too?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Just so we're all understanding correctly...
PvP does NOT mean that its free to PK. PK is very different from PvP. PvP is consentual. Akin to dueling. PK is to be killed unexpected and is often done with malicious intent, most often to ruin another player's gameplay or to steal something the unprepared character drops.
And those who lie in wait for you to relog so that they can resume the assault definitely have malicious intentions, IMO.
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dirtycar74 wrote: »PK is to be killed unexpected and is often done with malicious intent, most often to ruin another player's gameplay or to steal something the unprepared character drops.
Hm no, PK is simply Player Killing, unexpected or not, malicious or not.Madness?
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dirtycar74 wrote: »PvP does NOT mean that its free to PK
Actually, in the case of PW servers, yes. That is EXACTLY what it means.
Also, what Zap said.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ZAPATON - Sanctuary wrote: »Hm no, PK is simply Player Killing, unexpected or not, malicious or not.
The point I was trying to make is that it is a PVP server, not a PK server. But I can't argue those points as I am not ever going to play on one of those servers. I only have knowledge of generalities and experience from other (very similar) games.0 -
In an old game I used to play, people used to ask if you wanted to PvP/PK verse them. So much calmer I must say b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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As a occasional PKer
I will grief someone if they QQ about me killing them ( i would usually not kill the same person twice in 1 day)
But when they QQ its fun to PK them over and over and over again. Afterall it is a PK server
But on the otherhand the moment the person fights back. I will have more resoect for them for trying and leave them alone.
In your case i think the PKer was just being a real @SS I am sure if you World chat you would get help.
I know of a few ppl that sit and wait for cries for PK help in world chat or faction Chat.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nizari_ - Harshlands wrote: »As a occasional PKer
I will grief someone if they QQ about me killing them ( i would usually not kill the same person twice in 1 day)
But when they QQ its fun to PK them over and over and over again. Afterall it is a PK server
But on the otherhand the moment the person fights back. I will have more resoect for them for trying and leave them alone.
In your case i think the PKer was just being a real @SS I am sure if you World chat you would get help.
I know of a few ppl that sit and wait for cries for PK help in world chat or faction Chat.
Grief someone is against the rules btw0
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