What is R9?

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  • DaichiOni - Dreamweaver
    DaichiOni - Dreamweaver Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    There is this other MMO, sounds like "sift". b:chuckle I'm there and have been having a blast.

    Do yourself a favor and cough up $15/mo to play a game where the devs actually give a damn about the players and the community. PWE works for China, not for us. In "sift", the devs live in Redwood City, CA.

    "Goof Wads 2" and "Dynablo 3" also look promising...

    b:dirtyGoof Wads 2
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hard? You mean expensive no?b:chuckle It's not the same.

    Expensive means that the monetary price of something is high, so you have to pay a lot of coins. To earn coins, u have to do something. Since rank9 is expensive that means u have to do it a lot of work. It's even harder if you have only 3 hours to play at most everyday. So it's hard for many reasons. Because you have to balance your time, and because you have to be patient.
  • NOTREAL - Archosaur
    NOTREAL - Archosaur Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Expensive means that the monetary price of something is high, so you have to pay a lot of coins. To earn coins, u have to do something. Since rank9 is expensive that means u have to do it a lot of work. It's even harder if you have only 3 hours to play at most everyday. So it's hard for many reasons. Because you have to balance your time, and because you have to be patient.

    When someone else can just go "Yo, swipe mah card bro!" and get it all in a few hours, your work means nothing, your goal lost its honour and your "I can only play 3 hours a day" means nothing.

    Noone would care if you grinded rank8 oldschool right now (FBs, 59 stamp farming etc) cos theres just as many poeple who just bought it outright without playing the game for a minute.

    Just because its hard for YOU to get doesnt mean its got any honour attached to it.
  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Expensive means that the monetary price of something is high, so you have to pay a lot of coins. To earn coins, u have to do something. Since rank9 is expensive that means u have to do it a lot of work. It's even harder if you have only 3 hours to play at most everyday. So it's hard for many reasons. Because you have to balance your time, and because you have to be patient.

    because its so hard to ask mommy and daddy for the master card and type in the numbers to charge 2k zen and open all those chip packs. x.x omg then there's the wait to turn them into GST and buying all those medals of glory. then ive got to walk all the way BACK from gen summer to the commander and chief to get my r9 badge. by then i just want to lie down with a good book and sip a glass of wine until i fall asleep from all that "hard work".
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  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Someone is bitter that they don't have r9 gears. Or let me guess... you are one of those who insist on not getting any r9 gear for the principle of things. Seriously... don't make me laugh. Good players will have good gears... regardless of what they are. Those r9 who are kicking *** (now) have long kicked *** before r9 or even r8 became affordable. And those r9s who get laughed at... have long got laughed at.

    Here comes the hypocritical troll Kiyoshi. Do you ever make a post that is not bashing someone or something? Making assumptions about someone because...? I just don't see how someone can get off on this kind of stuff.
  • SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary
    SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Expensive means that the monetary price of something is high, so you have to pay a lot of coins. To earn coins, u have to do something. Since rank9 is expensive that means u have to do it a lot of work. It's even harder if you have only 3 hours to play at most everyday. So it's hard for many reasons. Because you have to balance your time, and because you have to be patient.

    Current r9 isn't expensive... look at how many ppl have it.
  • Lythianaa - Dreamweaver
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Just wondering, isn't rank 9 the rank that's like, supposedly 1400 dollars? b:shocked
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Just wondering, isn't rank 9 the rank that's like, supposedly 1400 dollars? b:shocked

    i suppose if you don't want to work for any of it. personally i don't see the point. sure. i want the r9 daggers but i don't need em. and i only spent 3 gold on rep to get my r8 gear. every other bit of it was farmed in fb/stamps/merchandising coin for tokens to buy badges. its entirely possible to get it for free. if you want to work for it.
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  • _Ghostz_ - Archosaur
    _Ghostz_ - Archosaur Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i suppose if you don't want to work for any of it. personally i don't see the point. sure. i want the r9 daggers but i don't need em. and i only spent 3 gold on rep to get my r8 gear. every other bit of it was farmed in fb/stamps/merchandising coin for tokens to buy badges. its entirely possible to get it for free. if you want to work for it.

    Work for it? In this game? What??! *looks at the 5% that do* Hahahaha
    Just don't. This is your final warning.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    The biggest problem of PWI, that you MUST pay real money to get best gear. No merchandising is not enough. Because these things(medals and Mysterious Chips) has to come from somewhere. Originally medals come from TW and Mysterious Chips come from cube. SO to get only Mysterious Chips for R9, it would take years and years to grind it in cube. Without paying cash is impossible to get these stuff. And it's doesn't matter if you payed cash or some1 else did. This is the biggest failure of PWI.
    There is no WAY to get R9 without paying cash.
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    The biggest problem of PWI, that you MUST pay real money to get best gear. No merchandising is not enough. Because these things(medals and Mysterious Chips) has to come from somewhere. Originally medals come from TW and Mysterious Chips come from cube. SO to get only Mysterious Chips for R9, it would take years and years to grind it in cube. Without paying cash is impossible to get these stuff. And it's doesn't matter if you payed cash or some1 else did. This is the biggest failure of PWI.
    There is no WAY to get R9 without paying cash.

    hmm. ive got enough chips to get every GST i need for the rang nine ring and daggers. and i never spent ONE dime on them. if i wanted to i could sell the hell out of FC and buy the medals that way. but i simply dont want to put that much time into something i dont need. no... the problem with the game is people like you.

    QQ you took our medals away. give em back.

    okay. ill see what i can do.

    (**** and moan the whole time your waiting untill the answer comes out)

    okay. we can put the medals in the cash shop.

    ZOMGWTFBBQBACONWEAVEFLIP!?!?!?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!?!

    um... you asked for em back as quick as possible?

    but i wanted em back this way. not that way.

    oh. sorry. this was all i was alowed to do.

    well QQ **** and moan yipyipyipyip


    you all demand fixes now. but when you get them you **** and moan about it. its no wonder frankie and them cant get the devs to listen to them. christ.
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  • Lythianaa - Dreamweaver
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i suppose if you don't want to work for any of it. personally i don't see the point. sure. i want the r9 daggers but i don't need em. and i only spent 3 gold on rep to get my r8 gear. every other bit of it was farmed in fb/stamps/merchandising coin for tokens to buy badges. its entirely possible to get it for free. if you want to work for it.

    For a casual player like me, I'll probably get it in 10 years....if PWI still exists by then O.o
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    hmm. ive got enough chips to get every GST i need for the rang nine ring and daggers. and i never spent ONE dime on them. if i wanted to i could sell the hell out of FC and buy the medals that way. but i simply dont want to put that much time into something i dont need. no... the problem with the game is people like you.

    QQ you took our medals away. give em back.

    okay. ill see what i can do.

    (**** and moan the whole time your waiting untill the answer comes out)

    okay. we can put the medals in the cash shop.

    ZOMGWTFBBQBACONWEAVEFLIP!?!?!?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!?!

    um... you asked for em back as quick as possible?

    but i wanted em back this way. not that way.

    oh. sorry. this was all i was alowed to do.

    well QQ **** and moan yipyipyipyip


    you all demand fixes now. but when you get them you **** and moan about it. its no wonder frankie and them cant get the devs to listen to them. christ.

    You didn't get it. You could BUY these chips, because they are in cashop. Doesn't matter if you payed with real dollars or merchandising to get coins. The main problem is they are AVAILABLE in cashop. If they wouldn't, then to get them normal way in cube would take hundred years for just one piece. That's why I'm telling that no1 can get R9 without paying real cash. Yea you didn't pay, but some1 did. If he didn't pay, then you have no chance to get it neither.
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    For a casual player like me, I'll probably get it in 10 years....if PWI still exists by then O.o

    yes, i have to admit, a casual player WOULD have a hard time getting r9 without cash shopping :p but that more geared to the hardcore players. lol. b:surrender
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  • Lythianaa - Dreamweaver
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    yes, i have to admit, a casual player WOULD have a hard time getting r9 without cash shopping :p but that more geared to the hardcore players. lol. b:surrender

    haha Thanks for the info though! b:thanks

    I'm just on nowadays to get to 100 and probably hang around, talk to people and that's about it. Hardcore gaming on PWI has died in me 9 months ago b:laugh
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    You didn't get it. You could BUY these chips, because they are in cashop. Doesn't matter if you payed with real dollars or merchandising to get coins. The main problem is they are AVAILABLE in cashop. If they wouldn't, then to get them normal way in cube would take hundred years for just one piece. That's why I'm telling that no1 can get R9 without paying real cash. Yea you didn't pay, but some1 did. If he didn't pay, then you have no chance to get it neither.

    i believe you said it was tottaly impossible to get R9 without buying it all with cash. witch its not. by your point, if i dont spend cash and the other guy doesn't ether then no one in the game will have it.

    and by that logic if no one ever spent cash on anything then all the upper tier TT stuff would be out of reach. we would be stuck with lvl 90 green because there are no high lvl orbs to get the refines we need for the hp to tank GBA boss.

    forget nirvana.

    and then what happens? you come here and **** and moan until frankie cant take it any more and (after a heavy dose of Xanax im assuming) goes to the devs to find out what he can do to ease your hurt bottom. only to come back to see you crying about that too.

    so he goes back and gets another fix, and another, and another, and another and... well you see were im going with that. every one ends up getting there fix, but no one likes any one elses fix. that's what makes a broken game.
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    haha Thanks for the info though! b:thanks

    I'm just on nowadays to get to 100 and probably hang around, talk to people and that's about it. Hardcore gaming on PWI has died in me 9 months ago b:laugh

    i still have fun with it. but thats because i have no life and nothing better to do XD
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i believe you said it was tottaly impossible to get R9 without buying it all with cash. witch its not. by your point, if i dont spend cash and the other guy doesn't ether then no one in the game will have it.

    and by that logic if no one ever spent cash on anything then all the upper tier TT stuff would be out of reach. we would be stuck with lvl 90 green because there are no high lvl orbs to get the refines we need for the hp to tank GBA boss.

    forget nirvana.

    and then what happens? you come here and **** and moan until frankie cant take it any more and (after a heavy dose of Xanax im assuming) goes to the devs to find out what he can do to ease your hurt bottom. only to come back to see you crying about that too.

    so he goes back and gets another fix, and another, and another, and another and... well you see were im going with that. every one ends up getting there fix, but no one likes any one elses fix. that's what makes a broken game.

    Can you get chips without buying them from cashop? No you cannot. Some1 has to buy them first for cash. As I said without some1 who bought it from cashop you wouldn't have it neither. So some1 must payed real money to get these chips.
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Can you get chips without buying them from cashop? No you cannot. Some1 has to buy them first for cash. As I said without some1 who bought it from cashop you wouldn't have it neither. So some1 must payed real money to get these chips.

    BH100 rewards. cube of fate. DQ. tokens. four places other then cash shop chips can be obtained. im sure im missing a few other options. but those were the first that came to mind. need me to prove you wrong on something else now?
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    BH100 rewards. cube of fate. DQ. tokens. four places other then cash shop chips can be obtained. im sure im missing a few other options. but those were the first that came to mind. need me to prove you wrong on something else now?

    Yep I forgot on BH's. Ok then it wouldn't be 100 years to get all chips. It would take just 20-30 years. With all these option just for 1 General Summer's Token you need 10000 chips. And you need 85 tokens for R9 weapon. 85x10000=8500000 chips. IMPOSSIBLE to get without cahshop.
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  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Can you get chips without buying them from cashop? No you cannot. Some1 has to buy them first for cash. As I said without some1 who bought it from cashop you wouldn't have it neither. So some1 must payed real money to get these chips.

    Why do people keep saying this? You wouldn't have a game at all if there wasn't the cash shop. So even if there was no gear in the game obtainable through packs or cash shop items and everything is farmmable, you still wouldn't have it without the cash shop. This is not a valid argument, you can play this game without spending real life money. Real life money isn't necessary. You can merch, you can farm, you can save. You don't need to have Rank 9 either, once one or two factions own the whole tw map only 200-400 people on the entire server can hold land anyway. Sure there is still open map PK but honestly I see plenty of people not in TW factions on open map PK that aren't in full rank 9 so I fail to see why it's 100% necessary anyway. Chances are there is always going to be someone with better gear than you have or someone who is going to get the jump on you or someone who is going to be more skilled than you. There can only be one best person of each class, that's the definition of best. I do want Rank 9, and I am pretty irritated that I have been priced out of it for the time being. I want Rank 9 just as badly as the next person, and I'm also irritated at the dramatic price increase put on it. But there isn't anything in pve that you NEED rank 9 for and there are plenty of people you can still beat without rank 9 that also aren't in it. Just because you can't beat everyone doesn't mean you HAVE to cash shop.
    Yep I forgot on BH's. Ok then it wouldn't be 100 years to get all chips. It would take just 20-30 years. With all these option just for 1 General Summer's Token you need 10000 chips. And you need 85 tokens for R9 weapon. 85x10000=8500000 chips. IMPOSSIBLE to get without cahshop.

    Merchant, roll a sin and solo a lot of fcs, do nirvana. IT takes a heck of a lot more work than it should and you should NOT have to roll another class just to outfit your charcters with gear. That is complete and utter BS, but it isn't impossible.
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  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Yep I forgot on BH's. Ok then it wouldn't be 100 years to get all chips. It would take just 20-30 years. With all these option just for 1 General Summer's Token you need 10000 chips. And you need 85 tokens for R9 weapon. 85x10000=8500000 chips. IMPOSSIBLE to get without cahshop.

    i supose ive done the impossible. i could have sworn i mentioned i have the 1169883 chips needed for the badge and ring. much less then 8.5mill. dont believe me?

    Ring of Trauma (required before buying any other Rank IX gear)
    3 Medals of Glory
    32 General Summer's Tokens
    +
    Rank IX Weapon
    5 Medals of Glory
    85 General Summer's Tokens
    = 117 tokens needed.

    now... at 9999 chips that makes

    9999x117=1169883

    NOT impossible to get without cash shop.

    heres the info i used btw.

    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Rank_and_Reputation/RankIX
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i supose ive done the impossible. i could have sworn i mentioned i have the 1169883 chips needed for the badge and ring. much less then 8.5mill. dont believe me?

    Ring of Trauma (required before buying any other Rank IX gear)
    3 Medals of Glory
    32 General Summer's Tokens
    +
    Rank IX Weapon
    5 Medals of Glory
    85 General Summer's Tokens
    = 117 tokens needed.

    now... at 9999 chips that makes

    9999x117=1169883

    NOT impossible to get without cash shop.

    heres the info i used btw.

    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Rank_and_Reputation/RankIX

    OMG. I have feeling I speak with 6-7 years old kid. You still don't get it? How you want to get chip from? If they wouldn't be in cash shop? Some1 had to buy this pack with chips and then some1 had to sell it to you. So some1 had to use real money. Without real money just from game is impossible to get right amount of chips. And if you buy the gold with coins the principle is the same. Some1 had to buy this gold before you could have chance to buy it.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Why do people keep saying this? You wouldn't have a game at all if there wasn't the cash shop. So even if there was no gear in the game obtainable through packs or cash shop items and everything is farmmable, you still wouldn't have it without the cash shop. This is not a valid argument, you can play this game without spending real life money. Real life money isn't necessary. You can merch, you can farm, you can save. You don't need to have Rank 9 either, once one or two factions own the whole tw map only 200-400 people on the entire server can hold land anyway. Sure there is still open map PK but honestly I see plenty of people not in TW factions on open map PK that aren't in full rank 9 so I fail to see why it's 100% necessary anyway. Chances are there is always going to be someone with better gear than you have or someone who is going to get the jump on you or someone who is going to be more skilled than you. There can only be one best person of each class, that's the definition of best. I do want Rank 9, and I am pretty irritated that I have been priced out of it for the time being. I want Rank 9 just as badly as the next person, and I'm also irritated at the dramatic price increase put on it. But there isn't anything in pve that you NEED rank 9 for and there are plenty of people you can still beat without rank 9 that also aren't in it. Just because you can't beat everyone doesn't mean you HAVE to cash shop.



    Merchant, roll a sin and solo a lot of fcs, do nirvana. IT takes a heck of a lot more work than it should and you should NOT have to roll another class just to outfit your charcters with gear. That is complete and utter BS, but it isn't impossible.

    I have no problem with items in cashshop,BUT there should be option to get them not JUST from cashshop. Just get them from game. Quests for example.
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I have no problem with items in cashshop,BUT there should be option to get them not JUST from cashshop. Just get them from game. Quests for example.

    There are, Chips from cube, rep from fbs/stamps/etc, medals from TW, they just make it ridiculously unlikely that anyone could get r9 with no benefit to the cs \o/
  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    OMG. I have feeling I speak with 6-7 years old kid. You still don't get it? How you want to get chip from? If they wouldn't be in cash shop? Some1 had to buy this pack with chips and then some1 had to sell it to you. So some1 had to use real money. Without real money just from game is impossible to get right amount of chips.

    alright. now the insults come out. are you not reading my whole posts? or are you so fixated on the CS you've never taken the time to look and see how many chips you get from dq points or with tokens? i haven't bought one damn chip from another player. i haven't bought one damn chip from the cash shop. i do the cube EVERY day. i get chips from bh pretty much every other day. i lost track of how many chips i've bought with DQ points. and you don't need a lot of tokens to make a pack with 15 chips in it. ill pick up a few of those when i have spare tokens from over buying for teles or hp food. there's all these other sources for chips yet you keep going back to the cash shop like its the only place in the game to get them. i wonder how people were getting them before they came to cash shop if that was the case? let me spell it out for you. T-H-E-R-E A-R-E O-T-H-E-R P-L-A-C-E-S T-O G-E-T C-H-I-P-S B-E-S-I-D-E-S T-H-E C-A-S-H S-H-O-P!!!!
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  • Nepenthe - Lost City
    Nepenthe - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    OMG. I have feeling I speak with 6-7 years old kid. You still don't get it? How you want to get chip from? If they wouldn't be in cash shop? Some1 had to buy this pack with chips and then some1 had to sell it to you. So some1 had to use real money. Without real money just from game is impossible to get right amount of chips. And if you buy the gold with coins the principle is the same. Some1 had to buy this gold before you could have chance to buy it.

    I direct you to what he said before
    BH100 rewards. cube of fate. DQ. tokens. four places other then cash shop chips can be obtained. im sure im missing a few other options. but those were the first that came to mind. need me to prove you wrong on something else now?

    So yes there are a plethora of other places to get chips from, but the way you're acting makes it seem your to lazy to find/work for those other methods.
  • Sybarine - Sanctuary
    Sybarine - Sanctuary Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    or are you so fixated on the CS you've never taken the time to look and see how many chips you get from dq points or with tokens?

    Tokens are from the cash shop, just sayin
  • XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver
    XLeetSauce - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Tokens are from the cash shop, just sayin
    eh. you got me on that one i supose. lol trolledsoftly.jpeg b:chuckle
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    BH100 rewards. cube of fate. DQ. tokens. four places other then cash shop chips can be obtained. im sure im missing a few other options. but those were the first that came to mind. need me to prove you wrong on something else now?

    BH100 rewards - 50 chips a day. 200 days for 1 G.S.Tkn
    CoF - 25 a day. 400 days for a G.S Tkn
    DQ - lol.
    Tokens - oh wait, where do you get tokens? Oh yeah, packs, which is a cash shop item.
    Buying chips with tokens will make R9 10b rather than the current 1.6b.