Decides

Posts: 88 Arc User
edited June 2011 in Assassin
i heard some fishies get decides :o i dont think im going to get the tome cause is damn expensive but ill getting my R8 and nirvane leggings/daggers. oh and i was thinking about going pure so i really dont know about putting that amnt of str on my sexi sin.

on the other hand i know its going to take some time to farm my nirvana gear so...idk lol

suggestions needed
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  • Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    from what i have read, i am pretty sure your dps will be better with daggers, even if your aps will get increased with deicides

    also, you cant use any of your skills without daggers
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  • Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/8baad3e524fb9d01
    133259 DPS

    http://pwcalc.com/8fe7c909b1d8fb8d
    111359 DPS

    Draw your own conclusions from that. Personally, I wouldn't bother with them.
  • Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    thats what u thought but i did the same with an archer and the 85 gold fists and i was pretty much tanking the fc. no skills needed :o just auto attack and spamming spark im aiming for 1.82 (2.5 sparked) from 90 till 99.

    with decided (sparked)
    phy attck: 4135-5355
    attck rate: 3.33 /sec

    with hook and thorn (sparked)
    phy attck: 5396-7365
    attck rate: 2.5 /sec

    w/o refined and shards ofc. i kno i kno G13 refines way better but meh lets say im just going to make em +5.

    worth it?
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  • Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/8baad3e524fb9d01
    133259 DPS

    http://pwcalc.com/8fe7c909b1d8fb8d
    111359 DPS

    Draw your own conclusions from that. Personally, I wouldn't bother with them.

    gotcha!

    i wont be making any +12 daggers >_< i was wondering if it was worth to get the decides untill i farm my nirvana gear ;D

    thanx for your help
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  • Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    btw

    sorry for all the nab questions but i only have 1 week with my sin b:cute
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  • Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Personally, I'd stick to R8. Sin can permaspark at around 2.86, plus the fact that you'd be using minimal str on the claws compared to max dex on the daggers, and such just makes Deicides not worth the investment.

    The only reason I'd even consider them is to advertise as 5.0 for nirvana if you don't have a regular group to go with and have to get squads over WC.
  • Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    yeah thats what i was thinking.
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  • Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    unless your gonna restat is not worth it... h&t will out damage them and once you get r8, the damage at 2.86 is huge compare to claws at 5.0...

    I'm around 8k per hit vs 1200 with claws.
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  • Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    A Big No! Never Use Fists/claws In Sins
  • Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Why does nobody seem to get that they're called Deicide, not Decide.... just curious.
  • Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Why does nobody seem to get that they're called Deicide, not Decide.... just curious.

    Because we are used to the word decide meaning to come to a resolution in the mind as a result of consideration. Versus PWI throwing in a random 'i' to **** with us??b:question
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  • Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Why does nobody seem to get that they're called Deicide, not Decide.... just curious.

    Because most of the people who have questions about them don't actually read the name closely.

    Meanwhile, those of us who do know it's Deicides rarely, if ever, have any questions involving them.
  • Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    A Big No! Never Use Fists/claws In Sins

    I strongly disagree.

    What you meant to say was, "never shot for an end game build using fist/claws for a sin."

    Event that build does have an exception if you have a hell of a geared BM using G15 claws with revenge.
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  • Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Well I think is time for peanut butter jelly time. ;)
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  • Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I very much recommend against deicides except in special cases. I used them but thats because I already had +8 2 socket garnet sharded ones from my bm. I had statted 117 strength for Warsoul Helm already and had a high refined HA Lunar helm at 100 to replace it for 153 str and Deicides 143 Str req fell right in the middle.

    Unsparked my +4 H&Ts at 2.22 did more dmg than my +8 deicides at 3.33. Sparked my Deicides did more dmg at 5.0 than my 2.86 H&T. So I would only use my Deicides when sparked and was very quick on my hotkeys back to daggers for skills. At 100 I got rank 8 daggers and 2.86 rank 8 beats the hell out of 5.0 Deicides, even with lower refines, sparked and unsparked. I just used my Deicides because they were 15 levels higher, had four more refines levels and better gems, and had a whole -.2 int over my daggers but only for the 5 level period of 95-100. Beyond that, fists suck for sins.
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  • Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    thank you for all the replies guys >D
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  • Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Because we are used to the word decide meaning to come to a resolution in the mind as a result of consideration. Versus PWI throwing in a random 'i' to **** with us??b:question

    Its a perfectly good word: Deus is latin for "god" and Cide is the "elimination or killing of" like homicide is the killing of each other, or insecticide is killing insects. Deicide is the term for killing a god.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    all theese calculation are made asuming that one will put just enough STR to equip thr Deicides.
    now if we are looking at HA strenght based assassin, the damage will be diferent.
    this toon will have something like 350STR and the DMG will rise.
    obviusly this is farmer :)

    also exuse my poor english
  • Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    all theese calculation are made asuming that one will put just enough STR to equip thr Deicides.
    now if we are looking at HA strenght based assassin, the damage will be diferent.
    this toon will have something like 350STR and the DMG will rise.
    obviusly this is farmer :)

    also exuse my poor english

    And any sin stupid enough to stat for pure HA will not only be doing **** damage compared to one that goes for straight up LA and daggers... but they'll also have to spend a good deal of coin to get their 5 APS fists compared to one that uses minimum str for the claws.

    Plus, with the lack of mastery or constant elemental damage without an Apoth pot (condensed thorn doesn't count for **** here. Especially since cast cancel was removed), they'd be better off just using a BM.
  • Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Its a perfectly good word: Deus is latin for "god" and Cide is the "elimination or killing of" like homicide is the killing of each other, or insecticide is killing insects. Deicide is the term for killing a god.

    Fun fact to know b:thanks Learn something new everyday :P
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  • Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Deicides on sin eh? i Don't agree !! Equally refined a 2.86 sin deals more (or same ) damage of a "Deicided" blademaster....if u wanna put Deicide to write in WC "5 APS sin LF nirvana " well get ready to be kicked as soon as they'll see ur weapon.

    Just get R8 and farm to reach 5 APS with daggers. Yes it's hard, but farming for it it's possible.
    I've never merchanted, but during a X2 event i farmed my nirvana pants. Now i'm 3.33 and already farmed 48 Raptures. So go and stick with ur daggers :)
  • Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    And any sin stupid enough to stat for pure HA will not only be doing **** damage compared to one that goes for straight up LA and daggers... but they'll also have to spend a good deal of coin to get their 5 APS fists compared to one that uses minimum str for the claws.

    Plus, with the lack of mastery or constant elemental damage without an Apoth pot (condensed thorn doesn't count for **** here. Especially since cast cancel was removed), they'd be better off just using a BM.

    You're saying my barb with 19k standing HP and claws shouldn't transfer gear to my sin to also do nirvana runs to quickly gather all the stuff I need to make it a much better LA sin?

    ^That's the only thing that sounds stupid to me^

    People have more then one toon, ijs

    PS Using all my barbs gear and keeping on chill for 30 attack levels while staying 5.0 isn't **** damage. b:bye
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    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    You're saying my barb with 19k standing HP and claws shouldn't transfer gear to my sin to also do nirvana runs to quickly gather all the stuff I need to make it a much better LA sin?

    ^That's the only thing that sounds stupid to me^
    .... May I ask why the hell you'd need to do that when you can just run it on your Barb? Heck, if you're just trying to farm for LA, you could easily use a BM for the same purpose and not have to spend the extra on restatting your sin when you were finished... plus have the benefit of having another character for farming Nirvana or whatever.
    People have more then one toon, ijs
    If you had actually read my post instead of jumping on the offense, you'd notice I was also considering the cost involved to go for a pure HA sin compared to a sin that goes minimum str and wears LA instead. This immediately implies that since there's a cost factor being discussed, that it isn't including the use of an account stash. So even bringing up multiple characters is redundant and irrelevant. If you have multiple chars and wanna transfer gear then feel free to go for whatever build you want since you should also have groups of people willing to baby you til you're a high enough level to actually be useful.
    PS Using all my barbs gear and keeping on chill for 30 attack levels while staying 5.0 isn't **** damage. b:bye
    Learn to read. I said it was **** damage compared to a regular sin that goes pure dex and uses daggers.



    tl;dr Your post is full of stupid and fail from not reading or taking what's most efficient into consideration. If you don't want to do what's best, fine. But supporting something that basically advises stupidity isn't all that useful for the people who come here looking for information.... and this is coming from one of the people who was displaying the potential of a HA 5.0+chill sin back when people weren't even aware it was possible. b:bye
  • Posts: 490 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    what about perma sparking with chill of the deep and claws? is it worth it at all?
  • Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    .... May I ask why the hell you'd need to do that when you can just run it on your Barb? Heck, if you're just trying to farm for LA, you could easily use a BM for the same purpose and not have to spend the extra on restatting your sin when you were finished... plus have the benefit of having another character for farming Nirvana or whatever.


    If you had actually read my post instead of jumping on the offense, you'd notice I was also considering the cost involved to go for a pure HA sin compared to a sin that goes minimum str and wears LA instead. This immediately implies that since there's a cost factor being discussed, that it isn't including the use of an account stash. So even bringing up multiple characters is redundant and irrelevant. If you have multiple chars and wanna transfer gear then feel free to go for whatever build you want since you should also have groups of people willing to baby you til you're a high enough level to actually be useful.


    Learn to read. I said it was **** damage compared to a regular sin that goes pure dex and uses daggers.



    tl;dr Your post is full of stupid and fail from not reading or taking what's most efficient into consideration. If you don't want to do what's best, fine. But supporting something that basically advises stupidity isn't all that useful for the people who come here looking for information.... and this is coming from one of the people who was displaying the potential of a HA 5.0+chill sin back when people weren't even aware it was possible. b:bye

    I know 3 of them with G15 claws and have squaded with them using chill vs my sins +12 G13 daggers, have you? I don't need lectures from anyone about the damage comparisons.

    what about perma sparking with chill of the deep and claws? is it worth it at all?

    It can be very worth it as a starting point until you can farm G15 daggers and go pure dex. It just depends on what you have to start with.
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    "Also I don't think actually playing through the game helps your skill either."

    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute

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