What is this cancelling cast thing?

The abliity to start a skill then cancel it to gain the buff it gives but without consuming sparks.

Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »

maybe i am crazy, but that sounds like a pretty bad glitch
i can see it can make bm's angry that they can no longer do it, but i find it hard to criticize a reduction in the glitches in this game, even if their focus is in the wrong place

Its a glitch that has been around for YEARS and on various versions of PW. Most old school BMs built their PvP skills based on the CC ability of certain skills, to even be a viable PvP class.

Cyclone heel wasn't game breaking to use CC on, it granted a small speed increase to auto attack, the full skill version gave some lame AoE.

DBB, added a fire damage, the full version of the skill cost 2 sparks, and did some lame damage, nothing super special.

Glacial gave you 100% crit proc rate for a very short duration, cost you 2 sparks to use the full version, which did an AoE with a armor damage. Most BMs hardley even use the full version in PvP.

Some of the most skilled PvP BMs were able to do all three in one stunlock session on hard-to-kill classes like other BMs, and Barbs, but for most part not many could even pull off the first CC.

Jellytoast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ah, so it was a glitch then. I was about to worry if no one could cancel skills ever. >.<


Also, clerics don't have anything like that I don't think, so I had no idea about it.

Wasn't really a glitch. It was in the programming for a reason. Skills like demon Wield Thunder proc and then hit, that way when the hit lands the mob is debuffed. Demon Sunder gives you 100% crit for 5 seconds. It procs before Sunder hits so that Sunder is always 100% crit. Skills like Drakes Breath Bash proced during channeling so that when the attack landed it had fire damage added to it. Glacial Spike used to proc 50% of the time so when it landed 1/2 the time you'd get a crit Glacial Spike. Powerdash used to proc before it landed so when the attack landed it has a 25-40% higher chance of critting.

They left almost every class alone but removed it changed the programing so that BM skills no longer proc before the attack but after, essentially breaking the game. The real glitch is that our skills no longer proc until after the attack. Clerics do, Barbs do, just not BM's Sins, Seekers...

And yes, clerics can CC their self buffs. I used to carry lvl 1 fists for building chi in duels. I found out you could channel a self buff, switch to fists and you'd get the buff. No point really except saving 1/2 of a second off your channeling time. CCing skills still used mana, but because they never attacked they never used chi.

In my opinion they added new glitches by changing when a proc occurs on only a few skills. Nothing was broken before because things worked exactly as they were designed to, just people learned how to use that to improve their gameplay.

Jellytoast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Okay, that actually makes more sense then. So it wasn't really that bad then I guess, just too many people taking advantage of it for their liking. Seems kind of crappy now for the people who weren't even using their skills like that.

lol i dont think youre graping this properly. it actually doesnt effect the people that "who werent useing thier skills that way" at all

Tested this a ton when I first got Demon Wield Thunder...in the past, the debuff has never applied to the Wield itself You can test it a number of ways:

Cyclone, check damage.
Wield, Cyclone, compare damage to previous Cyclone.

or

Wield, then Wield again (it cools down just in time). 2nd wield always does more damage. Interestingly, there seems to be another glitch here where the 2nd Wield also cancels the debuff

Jellytoast - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's what I was referring to. If you don't get the bonus anymore for that attack like it was before, then yeah it does affect everyone. >.<

Ahh my bad. Doesnt seem like that much of a set back. But I've never played a BM. Sorry dudes, thats a real downer and im not being sarcastic. I'm still sad that I can't get a free tele from my seeker >.> I really needed that!

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

What was happening was that people would use a skill and then cancel it by switching weapons. If you do it right you are able to get the buff of the skill without using any sparks and without putting the skill into cool down.

This now appears to be fixed and to get the buff for the skill you have to fully cast the skill and put it into cool down. People who weren't abusing the bug won't notice any difference.

edit: NM it seems like you were talking about something else.

No there is a small difference. Most likely hard to notice but for example the skill Powerdash will have the same chance to crit as the the player has before the skill and it's not untill after its used does the crit rate become increased. Not a big deal with that skill but I can imagine for some other skills it might be a huge problem. I'm guessing sage BIDs won't have th added chance to crit either.