This world has become imperfect for me quickly.

sk3y3 · June 2011

** Newbie whiner thread **

I don't intend to be a "troll" by any means but I need to express my n00b frustration with Perfect World.

I have successfully avoided the trap of MMPORGs up until I ran into a mention of Perfect World a few weeks ago. I started out on what turned out to be the "English" version of the Malaysian Perfect World. Almost immediately I realized here was finally a game that really clicked with me. I spent some real money there before I figured out there was this other Perfect World with regional servers, with English that really was English and understandable, and with a ping rate below 1500. It was inevitable that I had to come to PWI for ping rates alone, and I must say that being able to actually read NPC text and menus that are formatted correctly and are intelligible makes all the difference in the world.

I have went ahead and spent a new round of real-life money on my re-created character here on PWI. However, after reaching level 30 the game has become unplayable.

I can hardly do anything anymore because the second I ever leave a safe zone I am killed instantly by other players. There are many quest NPCs that I can't even talk to or get through the quest completion text before I am executed by all the players that seem to get off on this sort of thing.

Obviously the PvE server is for me, but there was no big warning or indication of that when I first started, and nothing in the beginner's guide pointing out the importance of which server you choose when you first launch the software. The Malaysian server just has a choice of English or Malaysian.

So after finding that I had spent money on a game I can't ever seem play without the frustration of having everything I'm trying to do ruined, I started digging around and found that I made the horrible misfortunate mistake of choosing the Lost City server when I first started, which I now understand is the main PK server.

That's just not my thing and it's not what I enjoy. I enjoy cooperative play and I just running the quests and, well, everything that is PvE. But now I would have to start a new character yet again and I already spent my gold on the necessary safe/inventory slot upgrades on this other server.

I'm pretty disgusted with the whole thing at this point. The information is out there, with forum searching. But you need to know what you are searching for in the first place to find it. A huge warning about choosing your server would be good for new players to avoid the problems such as I'm having, which discourages me from wanting to put any more time or money into this.

This is a complex game, it takes a while to learn how everything works in it. Adding to that complexity is that there are different versions of the game such as Malaysian English and PWI, and different servers within. A person would have to do a lot of research beforehand to understand these things, and the fact is that a game doesn't draw in you because you read an encyclopedia about it first. It draws you in for more immediate reasons, and you learn as you go.

While you can call me a whiner, and a n00b and that "the information was out there", and while I would accept being called a whiner and a n00b and also agree that the information is "out there", it is not nearly as prominent as it needs to be. The PvP vs PvE should have come up as a big message or warning box when first starting the game, so a person could choose carefully from the get go.

I'm not going to rant about the people that sit around by the Celestial Recluse and kill everyone as they come to talk to the NPCs, or sit on the edge of the city killing everyone who comes and goes, because apparently that's the name of the game of the Lost City server. I just hate it, and would never have spent my time on money on it if it had been made clear from the beginning what the difference was because that's not my idea of fun.
My impression from reading the beginning guide was that PK was on after level 30 for all servers, which is true, but the guide doesn't say if you choose certain servers it can't be opted-out of.

So I may be a whiner and a n00b but I am also a paying customer who is feeling a sense of being cheated.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · June 2011

I read a few words of that and basically got 'QQ QQ omg I can't **** it on a PVP server QQ QQ'. Roll on a PVE server, or just deal with it.

SeaBass - Lost City · June 2011

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Evict - Heavens Tear · June 2011

If you bothered to read about this game for <9 seconds you'd know that PK enabled servers means you're going to get PKed.

GreatGatsby - Heavens Tear · June 2011

SeaBass - Lost City wrote: »

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This just made my freaking day....
Thank you

Gigglesnort - Lost City · June 2011

The curious player would have noticed the PvP/PvE next to each server while at the choose server screen and googled it.
PvP
PvE

Oh, and it tends to get better after you get used to getting killed for fun and someone elses +1

sk3y3 · June 2011

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I read a few words of that and basically got 'QQ QQ omg I can't **** it on a PVP server QQ QQ'. Roll on a PVE server, or just deal with it.

It's ridiculous to spend your time responding to a post that you admit not having bothered to read, then arriving at a conclusion as to what my message is wholly about, diluting it into an infantile whine and dismissing it. If you were not interested in reading it, your reply is irrelevant.

The purpose of words, and writing is to communicate ideas, experiences and concepts. I am relating a complex personal experience that has occupied a great deal of my time an money. This has been a very frustrating experience for me and I wish to relate it, and others may relate, and perhaps a new player will not make the same mistakes.

Developers want to keep making money. They need to keep players interested, and attracted. Hearing about a human being's experience with the way it's set up, and how they became frustrated could help them make more money by making it less likely to frustrate people. A simply message window pop-up when you first choose a server indicating the difference between the server choices would have prevented this situation from occurring for me personally.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · June 2011

Sorry, OP that really sucks. I have to say though, I think this is one of those "it's my first mmo blues," things. When I first started gaming, I made some pretty uninformed decisions as well. However, the main reason that it's not so prominent is that PWE isn't as widely publicized as other MMOs. So many of the people who play are not new to MMOs in general. For future reference here are some terms you will find is the same in every MMO, not just perfect world.

Player vs Environment=PVE -This means that player doesn't fight other players, although many games allow you to opt into doing so at your discretion. Instead, players fight the environment.

Player vs Player= PVP-This means that players fight other players and that farming newbies is something that is an option in many games. This has obvious drawbacks as a newbie, but it can also serve to put you into the competitive part of the game pretty quickly.

Troll= A person who starts a thread purposefully for the sole reason of upsetting other players. or gives misinformation, or responds in a way solely for the purpose of upsetting others.

QQ=Cry, when a player makes a thread complaining about something that other players view to either be insignificant, whiney, or found in mass supply that another thread for the thousandth time even on a legitimate issue is seen as annoying or taking up space.

Quest= A predetermined series of events players go through in order to get some kind of reward

Level= usually a numeric system that tracks player progression throughout a game

cash shop= a store where players can get virtual items for real life cash

Skills/Spells/techniques/etc= Moves that players can learn to aid them in completing the game or defeating certain enemies.

Mana/MP= Standardly measured by a blue bar (though this varies from game to game) this is usually the resource pool players most spend to activate aforementioned skills.

Vitality/Health/hit points= A measure of the amount of points of damage a persons character can take before they die/get knocked unconscious

Gank=When a player (or several players) jumps another player unsuspectingly for the purpose of taking advantage of the fact that they are in currently not in a position to fight back or aren't powerful enough to do so. In other words attacking another player when they can't really defend themselves

PWN= Completely dominate some aspect of the game or offer a crushing defeat to another player

These are just some I can think of at the top of my head. Might add more later. I know it sucks but please don't be ripped off. It's jsut standard practice with all MMOs really. My suggestion since you sound low enough level to reroll is to go to a PVE server and this time don't spend money until you're that it is what you really want.

Happy Gaming!

sk3y3 · June 2011

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you bothered to read about this game for <9 seconds you'd know that PK enabled servers means you're going to get PKed.

From a perspective of knowing everything about the game, it's easy to fault others and make suggestions that I did not spent even 10 seconds reading about it.

I first came from the Malaysian server where there is no PvE or PVP server options. It's just English server or Malaysian server. My understanding from what I read was that PK was a part of all servers after level 30, which is true. I did get from the reading that on certain servers the PvP could be opted out of, and others not. This is a very important distinction between the servers.

I have already acknowledged it is my mistake, but I have expressed a frustrating experience and I feel that since choosing a server at first is so permanent and so important that there ought to be an in-game box, or even a tool-tip pop up when you are selecting a server that shows the meaning of PvE vs. PvP for these servers.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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Thank you for your thoughtful reply, VenusArmani, and taking the time to acknowledge me in an intelligent way. I am familiar with those things for the most part.

Getting into Perfect World was pretty confusing because of the different servers and operations running them in different parts of the Earth. I ran into a mention of it on an online game blog that I stumbled across, and it got my attention. The link they provided there took me to the English Malaysian site, and that's where I downloaded and started the game. I made it to level 23 there, struggling with impossible to decipher dialogue and game-killing lag (the kind where a monster kills you before you even know you were attacked). Still, I had spent money on stones and kits there. Though I was reading and researching all the time I was playing, I was ending up at these different web sites and through that realized there was actually this whole other PWI operation that was distinct from the PW "MY" operation, but I had been sort of intermingled between all of them without having put that all together.

I thought I finally had it right this time and was getting into my upper 30's so I spent some money on it, again.

Some people in my thread have replied in a manner which is disappointing but expected, yet my point is missed. I know that PvE is the gameplay style that I enjoy. It's not a matter of hacking anything or what not, I just don't like the whole mass-PvP scene. Perfect World is a beautiful game and environment to me, and I just enjoy being in it, crafting and doing the quests and such. That's what I enjoy and I know that, and would have chosen it from the start if that had been made clear. When I chose the server, I chose it for ping. I didn't realize the game worked different on different servers. Although when I saw the PvP vs PvE next to the names I remember thinking that PvP meant players could attack each other individually in an arena, and maybe PvE meant players can attack Everyone. In hindsight, funny thought, but at the confusing moment of newbness I thought I did my best to choose right.

What makes it so painful is this will be the 3rd time I will have to restart in Perfect World to be, hopefully this time, where I want to be. That is, if I do restart at all. I think I probably will though because this PvP thing is just a bothersome inconvenience that makes it unfun for what I like to do.

Thanks for the encouragement, though, I appreciate it.

Kagusa - Sanctuary · June 2011

Hey, don't worry about those people. There are always some idiots who bash people whom are just saying their opinion. Coming to the topic, yeah you're right. Pwi is my first and only mmorg as well, and I also made many mistakes cause of it.

sk3y3 · June 2011

Kagusa - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hey, don't worry about those people. There are always some idiots who bash people whom are just saying their opinion. Coming to the topic, yeah you're right. Pwi is my first and only mmorg as well, and I also made many mistakes cause of it.

Thanks, Kagusa. Do you have any suggestions for which west coast PvE server is best?

Flyingkea - Dreamweaver · June 2011

Yea PWI is my first and only MMO as well. I play on Dreamweaver which I think is an East coast server (dont think it matters too much as I play from the middle of nowhere). I've made afew mistakers too, now I usually pursue the guides for advice, they've seriously helped me so much. There will be a server list at the login page that you can select - they list whether they are PVP or PVE

DarkBalls - Harshlands · June 2011

^ this. I have to say I started on a PK server fully knowing what to expect, and I wasn't disappointed. Indeed, once you get to level 30, you get pked. But, as Aizza said, it gets less frequent quickly.

I also found, ironically, that PK is an opportunity to make friends. The other day, near tusk town, I had an assassin trying to kill me while I was fighting a mob, so I ran to save zone. When I came back out, he tried again. Somehow I seem to be tough to kill, I have a high pdef and lots of hp. So while we are fighting, I ask him "care to help me with quillhog king?", we stop fighting, he comes back on a level 100 barb and helps me kill a boss I couldn't have killed on my own. We had a lengthy talk afterwards and he's on my friends list now.

If you try not to take it too serious, it suddenly gets all friendly and relaxed.

sk3y3 · June 2011

Thanks to all three of you last posters for the thoughtful responses. It makes for the initial few responders that had me questioning the character of this community.

I do want to clarify that I am not bothered by being killed in the way that you may think. I'm not bent out of shape about the PKing itself at all, it doesn't personally get me irat. If I lost EXP points over it that would be a different story, and so far I haven't even dropped anything.

Certain things are just taking the fun out of it because you can only spend so much free time playing the game, and I like to do the quests. Yesterday I spent the whole day just trying to talk to the Celestial Recluse. The same guy sat there all day waiting for me and others and not letting anyone talk to the NPC. The guy had nothing better to do then just sit there killing. And following me around as well, sending name calling to my chat window. I never responded to him so I wasn't egging him on or any such thing. But behavior like this just seems pointless. He has not been the only one doing this to me so it's just kind of a drag to spend hours and hours and money traveling just to get pummeled over and over. The fact that I can be killed with one hit (I'm a low HP fishie) by pretty much everyone means I'm dead before I knew what hit me most of the time.

I just want to do the quests and stuff. I think should have all NPCs have at least a small safe zone around them so you can't be killed in the middle of the dialogues.

I can imagine that it could get boring if there is an eventual end to the game and there are no more quests left. Then I guess the only thing left will be player battles.

It just seems like this server is overrun with the video game equivalent of trolls who are just trying to be mean, and it's kind of strange because there are so many better multiplayer games if battling other players is all you want to do.

So did I pretty much have the bad luck of choosing the most infamous PWI server where pretty much everyone is there to just pound each other constantly and not actually interested in the questing/story, etc?

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · June 2011

Lol if you can just bear with it awhile you will be able to make progress, also if the other players are really obstructing you getting things done, you can report them. But if you do plan on spending money, I'd stay on a pvp server if I were you.

TBH, you should have read the server info at least before you picked one, they say Pve or PvP.

Purge - Raging Tide · June 2011

I had the same kind of experience as the OP. Although landing on Harshlands server came about because some friends of mine from another game had started playing this game and that's where they chose to start. Once I hit 30 I found that as soon as I wanted to get out into the world to quest, I was getting ganked. The higher level members of my faction there said to tell them the names of the people that killed me and they'd get revenge. Of course, the chances of them catching up to the miscreants was minimal and never happened.

I struggled through and managed to get my BM to level 43 but was still getting ganked on a regular basis. It's so frustrating to build up your HP/MP ready to go and kill a few mobs only to get ganked, sent back to town and have to wait for the regen all over again b:cry

Then the tideborn expansion arrived and with it the RT server. I decided that would be a good time to start on a new server...and haven't looked back.

It seems to me that the PvPers are the first to QQ about wanting a new server because theirs are "dying". I wonder if they've stopped to think that the stupid actions of a few of their high levels are making their servers unwelcoming for new players?

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · June 2011

sk3y3 wrote: »

Thanks, Kagusa. Do you have any suggestions for which west coast PvE server is best?

Sanctuary is a pretty decent server - very populated. The Arch server used to be horribly empty, but it has picked up quite a bit in the last few months. Both are west coast and pve.

If you like pve stuff, I would still recommend Sanctuary however. More people = more people to play with.

Arch is becomming more populated, but for the most part i imagine it would still be difficult to find people with whom to do low level quests. There is a quirky kinda small town atmosphere to it though which I like as a nice change from sanctuary. Everyone knows just about everyone once they reach lvl 100. And when a new person shows up who is good or has good gear, its like total Mayberry ("who is that? where did she come from? what gear does he have? is he any good? Is that someone's alt? you see he married HER? they got divorced in game last week. gossip gossip gossip gossip, lol)

And while every server has them, they dont' have nearly as many a holes as lost city. Not even close.

OiOOio - Raging Tide · June 2011

sk3y3 wrote: »

It's ridiculous to spend your time responding to a post that you admit not having bothered to read, then arriving at a conclusion as to what my message is wholly about, diluting it into an infantile whine and dismissing it. If you were not interested in reading it, your reply is irrelevant.

The purpose of words, and writing is to communicate ideas, experiences and concepts. I am relating a complex personal experience that has occupied a great deal of my time an money. This has been a very frustrating experience for me and I wish to relate it, and others may relate, and perhaps a new player will not make the same mistakes.

Developers want to keep making money. They need to keep players interested, and attracted. Hearing about a human being's experience with the way it's set up, and how they became frustrated could help them make more money by making it less likely to frustrate people. A simply message window pop-up when you first choose a server indicating the difference between the server choices would have prevented this situation from occurring for me personally.

I hear your pain. I did it the same as you did. I chose the lost city server and realized that it was the most pked server.

I am still on it and have been on it for a while now. You get used to it, learn how to avoid them, where the main pk places are and @ what times NOT to go there, etc. etc.

However if you still do not want to continue, sell ur stuff and transfer the coin u get into gold. Then create a ticket to have your gold xfred back to Zen.

Then get on a PVE server, xfr the Zen to that server, then spend the gold. Win Win for every1. b:laughb:victory

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · June 2011

sk3y3 wrote: »

** Newbie whiner thread **

I don't intend to be a "troll" by any means but I need to express my n00b frustration with Perfect World.

I have successfully avoided the trap of MMPORGs up until I ran into a mention of Perfect World a few weeks ago. I started out on what turned out to be the "English" version of the Malaysian Perfect World. Almost immediately I realized here was finally a game that really clicked with me. I spent some real money there before I figured out there was this other Perfect World with regional servers, with English that really was English and understandable, and with a ping rate below 1500. It was inevitable that I had to come to PWI for ping rates alone, and I must say that being able to actually read NPC text and menus that are formatted correctly and are intelligible makes all the difference in the world.

I have went ahead and spent a new round of real-life money on my re-created character here on PWI. However, after reaching level 30 the game has become unplayable.
....

That's how far I got. I did the same when I started playing way back when. Re-rolled on a PvE server and am enjoying it. I still go back and play my PvP toon every now and then on the Lost City server.

It all boils down to, know what you're getting into. If you roll PvP on a server that's been around for 2+ years, you're going to need to make a lot of friends fast to survive.

EDIT: I went back and read the rest after reading the above quoted response.... Reading the rest didn't change my conclusion. In fact, reading the rest of the response just showed that my previous opinion on what the rest of the post said was exactly on the money. AND it showed that the OP is aware of his mistake, but rather than dealing with it as I did, has decided to QQ publicly instead.

With ANY MMO, when you pick a PvP server, you've got to know what you're getting into. I had originally chosen Lost because of the ping, not because of PvP/PvE, and later decided to switch servers simply because I wanted a more casual gaming experience.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · June 2011

I hear where you are coming from there, as I did the exact same thing. My roommate got me into the game but it is my first MMO, and I did not even know the terms "PvP" and "PvE" when I was setting up. The Lost server was pre-selected, and so, not understanding the differences between the servers, I went with it. If my roommate had not come in and looked at my game shortly after due to me having a question, the archer I have still sitting on Lost would be beyond level 1 lol. I just got lucky.

So I agree, that when you have to choose a server there should be some kind of message or just larger indicator. Even if they just have a little message above the server box explaining the difference or something.

GhostDuck - Harshlands · June 2011

I'd stick it out if i were you if you enjoy this place. Really after lvl 40 you will never have this problem again. People camp the silver pool area because it is a pk hot spot. After that you won't encounter any in your questing and with all the new dunegeons quests for exp, along with crazy stone, you will have no issues.

I did not get rpk'd once between 40-85 till i started fc then not once from 85-100 and i was praying every day that someone would come and do it, so i could have a good old fashioned showdown. The days of hitting T every 5 seconds to see the new green dot on the map is over. Game is mostly instanced from 40+ on

Just deal with the levels till 40 and you will be fine

RADD_RATT - Harshlands · June 2011

Dear Original Post,
Get out while you still can. as a player for around 2 and a half years ill tell you that the PvEside of this game is boreing at end game. i had a lot of fun back in the day when a lvl 90 character was feared but those times have come and gone. PvP is raly all this game has to offer, which is what you are not into. On top of that if you did decide to get into PvP you would have to put up with the developers of this game which are scam artists btw and very good a ****** thier customers over. i highly advie you to cut your losses while they are still small and find a new game. its to late for most of s and 1000's of dollars have been spent and people dont like to walk away from that. so for the love of god. GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!!

OiOOio - Raging Tide · June 2011

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

... The Lost server was pre-selected, and so, not understanding the differences between the servers, I went with it...

At least they should not preselect the lost server & give users a chance to decide... or are they no longer doing this??

If it was like this with me I would have read about pve, pvp since I would question what each was.

This world has become imperfect for me quickly.

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