Sage or Demon? >.<

RainL - Raging Tide
RainL - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
edited May 2011 in Blademaster
Alright so I know in the BMs forum there's this mind set where it's Demon or GTFO fail. I understand that Demon skills are just so much better but listening to my friend who so happens to be a a lvl 100 Sage BM is changing my view. Seriously I don't know which to pick I mean my friend says he can do so much things better than a Demon BM and he's just as wanted and with aps gear and genie skills he doesn't need Demon spark to hit 5aps. He also says Sage is godly for PvP because according to him he can beat a Demon BM in a duel or just PKing. Don't tell me to read the forums and faq's and all that because I spend at least 1-2hrs a day looking at this forum and still can't decide which path to go to >.< Please help me make my decision. Thanks for your help.b:victory
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Go Demon. /thread
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    RainL - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I mean my friend says he can do so much things better than a Demon BM
    Such as?
    RainL - Raging Tide wrote: »
    and with aps gear and genie skills he doesn't need Demon spark to hit 5aps.

    You have/will have full interval gears including the tome?
    RainL - Raging Tide wrote: »
    He also says Sage is godly for PvP because according to him he can beat a Demon BM in a duel or just PKing.
    You think he won because he was sage and the other BM was demon? Maybe because he's better than the other BM? My demon BM kills demon BMs all the time, what does that tell you? Demon > demon?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    RainL - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Alright so I know in the BMs forum there's this mind set where it's Demon or GTFO fail. I understand that Demon skills are just so much better but listening to my friend who so happens to be a a lvl 100 Sage BM is changing my view. Seriously I don't know which to pick I mean my friend says he can do so much things better than a Demon BM and he's just as wanted and with aps gear and genie skills he doesn't need Demon spark to hit 5aps. He also says Sage is godly for PvP because according to him he can beat a Demon BM in a duel or just PKing. Don't tell me to read the forums and faq's and all that because I spend at least 1-2hrs a day looking at this forum and still can't decide which path to go to >.< Please help me make my decision. Thanks for your help.b:victory

    Theres your answer

    Demon is better in every possible way for pve and map pvp. Sage gains chi better after dieing in TW. Take your pick.
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  • Blaydewind - Raging Tide
    Blaydewind - Raging Tide Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I have a 4 APS sage BM myself. Many of the other sage BMs and I agree that demon is better overall. If you need some reference to help you pick out the key differences between the two sides, maybe this "great debate" will help you decide: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1059661. You have to REALLY like something about sage over demon to stick with it, but the fact remains that demon is still better overall.
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  • kriviox
    kriviox Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Honestly, the only area where I see being sage is a good or valid choice is for PURE axe users. Because they are not an int build. Other than that you should be demon.

    Demon stuns 100% of the time is AMAZING in FF and group areas, over all, demon just seemed to appear better all around. Sage is more about chi which with genie skill cloud eruption and aps with fists, you're pretty much set with chi. I love demon sparking then HFing. The only thing for sure, noticeably better about sage is Aura of the Golden Bell. That I won't lie.

    I only knew ONE guy who went sage. And he only went sage cause he had a 5.0 demon sin that would farm things for him and he wasn't huge into the aps craze. His BM was pure axe.

    If you do not have a sin to farm for you in nirvana and such do note that you will probably be paying for your nirvana gear because people don't want low aps in their squads. And theyd rather take a low aps sin over a low aps bm because the sin will still out damage the BM. (or you have good friends that will take you)

    If you are fist/multi path: demon
    if you are pure axe: either or

    I went demon and love it to death. I went through the same debate and did hours and hours of research before deciding. I wouldn't go back and change it even if I could. I'd go demon all over again.
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Just look at all the pro pk bms in your server. Even on a not so big server like RT, the superior pker should be demon. If you say sage I will just assume that RT has not pro pkers.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • lizrau
    lizrau Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Demon, or gtfo.
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  • RainL - Raging Tide
    RainL - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Thanks for the replies sorry I was not at the computer to reply earlier
  • Revenge - Raging Tide
    Revenge - Raging Tide Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just look at all the pro pk bms in your server. Even on a not so big server like RT, the superior pker should be demon. If you say sage I will just assume that RT has not pro pkers.

    lawlRTbm'sthatpk..... i think they all quit or rerolled for sins XD but yeah demon is better for multipath/ sage for pure axe imo, sage has some advantages but demon overrall won me over and it was a pretty quick decision lol rotp, hf, spark, marrows, practically every usefull skill a bm has, is better demon (with the exception to one or two)
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just look at all the pro pk bms in your server. Even on a not so big server like RT, the superior pker should be demon. If you say sage I will just assume that RT has not pro pkers.

    Two best bms on LC (skill wise) imo are Calvin and Almon.. both are sage. I'll say it again, sage does have its own perks.. anyone saying otherwise is just ignorant. I'm not a bm, I'm not going to talk about things I don't know about (demon vs sage for bms) but saying sage has nothing to offer is flat out wrong.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »
    lawlRTbm'sthatpk..... i think they all quit or rerolled for sins XD but yeah demon is better for multipath/ sage for pure axe imo, sage has some advantages but demon overrall won me over and it was a pretty quick decision lol rotp, hf, spark, marrows, practically every usefull skill a bm has, is better demon (with the exception to one or two)

    I'm sorry, if 3/4 of the axes skill are better in demon, how is sage for pure axe again?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    Two best bms on LC (skill wise) imo are Calvin and Almon.. both are sage. I'll say it again, sage does have its own perks.. anyone saying otherwise is just ignorant. I'm not a bm, I'm not going to talk about things I don't know about (demon vs sage for bms) but saying sage has nothing to offer is flat out wrong.

    Saw the vids, i've seen better on my old pve server. Calvins kinda special when he bolts a wizzie with blink on cooldown or lawbreakers out of a seal instead of just OIing the wizz while their antis are on CD through the damn thing. They're pretty average skill wise with really high end gear.

    @ okeano: axe bm's suck at chi building w/o apos. and a "pure" axe bm wouldent be able to glitch GS for crit because tis tarded and "pure" and thus could never touch a lower level pole. Also you know 50 chi a minute is just godly
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Saw the vids, i've seen better on my old pve server. Calvins kinda special when he bolts a wizzie with blink on cooldown or lawbreakers out of a seal instead of just OIing the wizz while their antis are on CD through the damn thing. They're pretty average skill wise with really high end gear.

    @ okeano: axe bm's suck at chi building w/o apos. and a "pure" axe bm wouldent be able to glitch GS for crit because tis tarded and "pure" and thus could never touch a lower level pole. Also you know 50 chi a minute is just godly

    coming from a bm that thinks sage has no perks.. I don't think you're really qualified to comment on the subject tbh.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    coming from a bm that thinks sage has no perks.. I don't think you're really qualified to comment on the subject tbh.

    Common sense math and gameplay experiance say that no, there is no advantage whatsoever to going sage over demon unless you really love 50 chi per minute.

    Feel free to argue this with every competent member of the bm forums.
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  • Revenge - Raging Tide
    Revenge - Raging Tide Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm sorry, if 3/4 of the axes skill are better in demon, how is sage for pure axe again?

    uhm what? i said sage is better for axe skills, the ones i listed arent actually axe skills but any weapon useable. with exception to hf thats an axe skill better in demon imo. try reading plox
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »
    uhm what? i said sage is better for axe skills, the ones i listed arent actually axe skills but any weapon useable. with exception to hf thats an axe skill better in demon imo. try reading plox

    he was refering to axe skills, theres 4 of those

    Hf = demon if you have to ask why go shoot yourself

    Drake bash = demon same as above

    fissure = demon same as a above

    highland = sage for the crit proc
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Common sense math and gameplay experiance say that no, there is no advantage whatsoever to going sage over demon unless you really love 50 chi per minute.

    Feel free to argue this with every competent member of the bm forums.

    I can tell you one easy one.. when I fight demon bms.. I can easily kite them till they run out of chi. BMs gain chi through marrows and hitting things, against someone that doesn't get hit much, sage has a noticeable advantage (at least chi wise). To add to that, sage marrow is often times better in 1v1s if the said class you are fighting is mainly physical or magic. Besides fighting archers and maybe seekers, I'd probably prefer sage marrows for most 1v1 situations. You are far too emotionally charged in your cultivation choice to be offering any unbiased advice imho. Again, I'm not advocating choosing one cultivation over another, it's just not as black and white as you like to make it sound.
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    Two best bms on LC (skill wise) imo are Calvin and Almon.. both are sage. I'll say it again, sage does have its own perks.. anyone saying otherwise is just ignorant. I'm not a bm, I'm not going to talk about things I don't know about (demon vs sage for bms) but saying sage has nothing to offer is flat out wrong.

    Calvin? He has +10 everything and he loses to Cheze's bm. Which I can recall that his bm uses an LA chest, LA belt, and and only has two +10 gear. Is it skill wise or is it because Demon is greater then Sage? Pick one.

    Revenge - Raging Tide wrote: »
    uhm what? i said sage is better for axe skills, the ones i listed arent actually axe skills but any weapon useable. with exception to hf thats an axe skill better in demon imo. try reading plox

    Demon Drake Bash > Sage

    Demon HF > Sage

    Fissure and Highland Cleave don't count since it is never used in Pvp, Highland rarely ever procs, and level 11 fissure effect is just bad. (Although you could use Sage Fissure + HF for an omega amp for wizzy BT in TW but even then demon is better for TW)
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Calvin? He has +10 everything and he loses to Cheze's bm. Which I can recall that his bm uses an LA chest, LA belt, and and only has two +10 gear. Is it skill wise or is it because Demon is greater then Sage? Pick one.

    uhmmm cheze has several +12 pieces.. back at the time of the video I think it was just g16 +12 cube neck, +12 4 soc nv pants (la) with josd, +12 4socket nv helm with josd and if memory serves the rest of his gear wasn't half bad either. Calvin is sharded with sapphire gems.. I'm sure cheze had more pdef than Calvin even having several LA pieces.. and definitely gear that was worth more. If anything I should have added cheze to that list of good bms.. but he doesn't play his bm much so I neglected it.

    edit to your edit: I'm not saying sage is better than demon, or the other way around.. I don't really have any experience playing a bm. I'm just tired of n00bs saying go one cultivation because you're **** if you dont go the other. Every cultivation has its perks and it's up to the player to choose which perks they find more valuable. It's not black and white, we aren't comparing faith level 9 with level 10.. where there is literally no reason whatsoever to leave it at level 9.. it's a choice where you pick which you would prefer.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    uhmmm cheze has several +12 pieces.. back at the time of the video I think it was just g16 +12 cube neck, +12 4 soc nv pants (la) with josd, +12 4socket nv helm with josd and if memory serves the rest of his gear wasn't half bad either. Calvin is sharded with sapphire gems.. I'm sure cheze had more pdef than Calvin even having several LA pieces.. and definitely gear that was worth more. If anything I should have added cheze to that list of good bms.. but he doesn't play his bm much so I neglected it.

    edit to your edit: I'm not saying sage is better than demon, or the other way around.. I don't really have any experience playing a bm. I'm just tired of n00bs saying go one cultivation because you're **** if you dont go the other. Every cultivation has its perks and it's up to the player to choose which perks they find more valuable. It's not black and white, we aren't comparing faith level 9 with level 10.. where there is literally no reason whatsoever to leave it at level 9.. it's a choice where you pick which you would prefer.

    his bm at that time had 9.3k hp and 11kish phys def stats were posted in thread

    As a demon BM i dont think i've once run out of chi 1v1 a wiz, however supressing their ultis and sutra forever is easy with demon taunt. Plus the fight tends to last untill demon GS procs then its dead wizzie. Seriously unless they have full buffs and +10 ornies its sad how fast they drop once you stun.

    No you do not have exp on a bm, this is not the wizz forum, there is no sage/demon balance on the blademaster class. At all. Demon gets 100% crit better everythign stun marrow and def wise actual freedom with its build. Sage gets 50 chi a minute.

    No thats not an exageration, its just how it works.
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  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Yeah BM culti paths are horribly unbalanced, there is no yin yang here, it's all yang.
    It's like if you are given a choice between a free silver Sedan and a free red 1990 Accord you choose Accord because you like the color better...it doesn't make sense. b:bye
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    uhmmm cheze has several +12 pieces.. back at the time of the video I think it was just g16 +12 cube neck, +12 4 soc nv pants (la) with josd, +12 4socket nv helm with josd and if memory serves the rest of his gear wasn't half bad either.

    Cheze's Sin and BM are on separate accounts. He's got G16+12 and all the other +12 just for the BM?

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