Damage Per Second

RamArch - Lost City
RamArch - Lost City Posts: 218 Arc User
edited May 2011 in Archer
I wanna no if any one has some kinda of calculation of damage per second, cause i wanna see some kinda graph that fists out damage my r8 bow at +7 in the long/short run
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Sounds like it would have to be made into a spreadsheet or something.
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I think full interval nirvana sling with .05 .05 and a genie with cloud eruption (lots of energy regen).

    Would be available to compete in Pve against 5.0 fist.. I think its pretty easy to constant spark as demon with that gear n genie.

    What make it useless compare to fist.. is that Nirvana has random aggro.. You wont be at exact range to do full damage n most of the time will take more time killing the boss cause is moving like a ****.. Same goes with random aggro in HH n other instances.

    I also doubt anyone gets a nirvana sling with double interval just to farm. Fist just becomes the easiest way to farm overall.. Its not expensive as an archer to get 5.0


    Rank8 bow wont be close to 5.0 damage.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    RamArch - Lost City wrote: »
    I wanna no if any one has some kinda of calculation of damage per second, cause i wanna see some kinda graph that fists out damage my r8 bow at +7 in the long/short run

    +7 Rank 8 Bow: 21,216 dps
    +7 Gorenox: Vanity: 58,814 dps

    Also, the fact that the Rank 8 bow wins when you're not sparked is kinda moot since it takes you a grand total of 12 seconds to get enough chi for Demon Spark.

    Well, if you really want, here's the cumulative DPS per second from start to a point where fists are superior:

    1. 21216 vs 16804
    2. 42432 vs 33608
    3. 63648 vs 50412
    4. 84864 vs 67216
    5. 106080 vs 84020
    6. 127296 vs 100824
    7. 158512 vs 117628
    8. 169728 vs 134432
    9. 190944 vs 151236
    10. 212160 vs 168040
    11. 233376 vs 184844
    12. 254592 vs 201648
    13. 275808 vs 201648
    14. 297024 vs 201648
    15. 318240 vs 201648
    16. 339456 vs 260462
    17. 360672 vs 319276
    18. 381888 vs 378090
    19. 403104 vs 436904

    Do note that the 3 second idle time for sparking is already taken into account.

    In summary:
    If you're whacking at something for less than 19 seconds and have no chi to start with, the Rank 8 bow wins. This is pretty much only true when talking about grinding mobs or in PvP/TW.

    Also, obviously, if you start the comparison with maxed chi, the Rank 8 bow loses from the start because it has pretty much pathetic DPS.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Also, obviously, if you start the comparison with maxed chi, the Rank 8 bow loses from the start because it has pretty much pathetic DPS.

    Yes, I think you are right, except if you have to hit a ranged target, your dps from fists will be 0 during time you need to reach target. Also, if you spark with that rank 8 bow your temporary dps would exceed temporary dps from fists (but then you would not be building chi from fists -- but depending on how fast your target dies and how long you need until you reach your next target, that might not be an issue and might even favor bow use).
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I remember triple sparking with +5 claws yielded some 7k avg base damage, which would be 35k raw DPS at 5/s

    35k...was incidentally my avg base damage triple sparked with Ast's +12 Jaden...

    the only reason the Jaden was more DPS triple sparked was because it attacked faster than 1/s, and we're talking about +5 Lunar claws vs +12 Nirvana 2nd cast bow...but ya, I don't think +7 R8 sparked can beat +7 fists sparked for those 15s unless the fist user has to run to the target first or something.
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  • Keirslyana - Heavens Tear
    Keirslyana - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    i have been noodling this for the past week myself: i am R8/+6. while i am not discounting oblaze's calculations, there are other factors involved. to begin with, i have some int gear. also by having demon mastery/winged blessing/QS and STA i have advantages over the claw user with extra crit and bonus attack speed other than by demon spark that the claw user gives up in order to use his claw. so 12 seconds or 19 hits is not the true measure.

    while not completely discounting the advantage for a 5.0 user, i strongly believe that with int gear and spells, i do more avg damage than a 4.0 user. the reason you would need a spreadsheet is to calculate AVERAGE and not base damage. the damage range for an r8 bow is much more than any claw, by over 5 thousand in my case, which lessens the advantage of aps. during spark, the r8 would easily overtake the claw user, then fall behind again as chi is built.

    of course the problem with this is that even if i am right, the culture of game say APS, APS, APS. no one wants to strain their brain and actually think about it for a second. i have no intention of res-tatting and buying gear only to farm and not have the best ARCHER i can be in TW. TY for the thread.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Keirslyana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i have been noodling this for the past week myself: i am R8/+6. while i am not discounting oblaze's calculations, there are other factors involved. to begin with, i have some int gear. also by having demon mastery/winged blessing/QS and STA i have advantages over the claw user with extra crit and bonus attack speed other than by demon spark that the claw user gives up in order to use his claw. so 12 seconds or 19 hits is not the true measure.

    I already included Demon Mastery and Demon Blessing in it.
    while not completely discounting the advantage for a 5.0 user, i strongly believe that with int gear and spells, i do more avg damage than a 4.0 user. the reason you would need a spreadsheet is to calculate AVERAGE and not base damage. the damage range for an r8 bow is much more than any claw, by over 5 thousand in my case, which lessens the advantage of aps. during spark, the r8 would easily overtake the claw user, then fall behind again as chi is built.

    R8 being better only when you can spark is kinda meaningless if the bosses you're fighting die before you can spark again.
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  • Keirslyana - Heavens Tear
    Keirslyana - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    R8 being better only when you can spark is kinda meaningless if the bosses you're fighting die before you can spark again.

    while i still did not do the number crunching for average damage....your reply above truly strikes to the heart of the matter about the aps culture of the game. if a boss dies that fast, are we only talking about an extra 5 minutes for a nirvana run? seriously.... TY for the feedback thread is dead/
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    R8 being better only when you can spark is kinda meaningless if the bosses you're fighting die before you can spark again.

    Though that does leave you with the issue of how much chi you have when you face the next boss.
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Though that does leave you with the issue of how much chi you have when you face the next boss.

    No it doesn't. Such words are the desperate attempt to salvage the usefulness of Bows in PvE.

    You have all the time in the world to whack-a-NPC for chi. Everyone does this.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    angellicdeity wrote: »
    No it doesn't. Such words are the desperate attempt to salvage the usefulness of Bows in PvE.

    You have all the time in the world to whack-a-NPC for chi. Everyone does this.

    (Unless your name is blue... but, ok, if no one minds an extra half minute between bosses and you do not mind the name color issue I could see this working.)
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    (Unless your name is blue... but, ok, if no one minds an extra half minute between bosses and you do not mind the name color issue I could see this working.)

    This. Unless a person is on a PvP server or is often in PK mode, punching NPCs isn't viable.

    Cloud Eruption would have been a better counter to Fleuri's question but then you'd be using your genie purely to try and regain chi while those using fists/laws could be using... say... frenzy to increase their damage during the actual boss fight.

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