LA Veno Advantages/Disadvantages?

Talihina - Raging Tide
Talihina - Raging Tide Posts: 104 Arc User
edited May 2011 in General Discussion
b:victory Hi all, I recently rerolled a venomancer to get in nirvana squads since my pure dex archer simply can't keep up with the apsers b:surrender

However, I've played a HA veno on MY, and liked it a great amount, despite the lack of magic that is a result of the equipment requirements. My boyfriend told me that, as I have my TT99 LA gear on my archer, to just stash it and use it on my veno.

Now my question is, what are the advantages and disadvantages of this? While I will have more magic than a HA veno, and more pdef than an AA veno, are there any other things I should know? I've looked high and low for a good LA guide, and haven't found a single thing that helps. b:cry

Thank you all for your time. b:cute

EDIT: Hm...I posted this in the veno discussion...but I had to refresh a few times...now it's in general discussion. Could someone move it please? O.o
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    you still will not be able to DD and get into nirvana squads like you think... you better make a bm or sin if thats your main goal... i could be wrong but i dont think a LA veno or HA veno can out dd a magic veno... unless you used Deicides and had 5 aps... but if thats the case just make your archer 5aps and get in that way... b:victory
  • Talihina - Raging Tide
    Talihina - Raging Tide Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    you still will not be able to DD and get into nirvana squads like you think... you better make a bm or sin if thats your main goal... i could be wrong but i dont think a LA veno or HA veno can out dd a magic veno... unless you used Deicides and had 5 aps... but if thats the case just make your archer 5aps and get in that way... b:victory



    b:chuckle Nah, I have a good nirvana team that I already regularily run with, but they commented on how they'd prefer a veno over a bow archer, so while it's not the squading problem that's the biggest issue, finding PuGs is much harder as a bow archer than a veno.

    Mostly I made the veno for the purge/amp, I was just curious as to whether or not there are any advantages to having a LA veno, instead of simply farming myself some TT99 AA gear.

    To be foreward, current build I have for when my veno is 100 is r8, with warsong belt/cube neck, with LA tt99 wrists/boots and nirvana legs.

    I kinda feel like experimenting with the flexibility of a veno, and haven't met many LA venos. b:chuckle
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    why are you posting on a 68 veno? anyways... if thats your build then no real need to change it b/c your not going to pull from a sin or bm no matter what you do... if you need to stay alive then throw some +10 vit on your gear... the only real advantage i could see in going LA is to get 5aps... if you can even get that on a veno...
  • Pyrostormz - Raging Tide
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide Posts: 956 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    La armor isnt good for much... i wouldnt think it the path you want to go 0.o
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  • Talihina - Raging Tide
    Talihina - Raging Tide Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    why are you posting on a 68 veno? anyways... if thats your build then no real need to change it b/c your not going to pull from a sin or bm no matter what you do... if you need to stay alive then throw some +10 vit on your gear... the only real advantage i could see in going LA is to get 5aps... if you can even get that on a veno...

    I'm posting on a 68 veno, as that is my veno's current level. She is not 100 yet, and I would like to figure out what gear to get her before I spend any money on HA/AA.

    Essentially, I'm not asking about how a LA veno would stand in nirvana, the nirvana part is only about the want for a veno's amp, so we shall digress from that subject.

    The question I was asking was the advantages over a HA veno and an AA that a LA veno has (pdef, attack wise) as I'm considering just stashing my archer's gear to use on her.

    This has absolutely NOTHING to do with getting nirvana squads, I was only mentioning it as a reason for making an alt.
    Pyrostormz - Raging Tide wrote: »
    La armor isnt good for much... i wouldnt think it the path you want to go 0.o


    I'm just cheap as hell.


    Besides, people roll HA venos. More pdef, less mag attack. Doesn't seem too good unless it's for tanking.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    As an LA player, you should already know that it has the crappiest defence out of any of the three armour sets, giving less magic than AA but less physical than HA. Generally, at the start of the game, it's really not so terrible, but by end-game, just about everything can hit you pretty hard if you aren't going to CS yourself some good orns, good refines and good shards.

    But since you state you have plans to hit R8 with some CS gear anyway, this is pretty much a non-issue.

    I still, however, would not recommend an LA veno. While your increased dex will give you a better critical hit rate than most AA or HA or even HA/AA builds, it's going to gimp your damage in both fox and human form considering the fact LA isn't geared towards good magic attack nor physical attack. (The exception here is for Sins, but again much like Archers their damage is based on dex rather than any other stat, so they won't suffer damage gimps for wearing LA.)

    HA/AA venos are great if you know how to play them; they can do well in any PvE situation because of their ability to swap gear and exchange defences depending on the situation and, although their damage is gimped magically, they're still relatively good DDers and they can still debuff. Pure AA venos deal more magic damage, but you have to remember that the venomancer is the weakest caster class in the game anyway. Every other magic class is going to deal more damage than you in terms of spell-casting regardless of what build you take. I'd personally suggest HA/AA or AA simply because the HA/AA build is fun to toy with if you can get it right and offers some good defences (also, get a Herc/Nix if you don't already have them. You sound like you have the cash) and the AA build will let you maximise the potential of your spells.

    LA... is really only good on venos for it's crit rate. There are few other advantages a veno gets from LA unless they're intending to go 5aps, in which case I'd suggest they just make a BM or Sin anyway because they'll solo far easier at endgame.
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  • Talihina - Raging Tide
    Talihina - Raging Tide Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As an LA player, you should already know that it has the crappiest defence out of any of the three armour sets, giving less magic than AA but less physical than HA. Generally, at the start of the game, it's really not so terrible, but by end-game, just about everything can hit you pretty hard if you aren't going to CS yourself some good orns, good refines and good shards.

    But since you state you have plans to hit R8 with some CS gear anyway, this is pretty much a non-issue.

    I still, however, would not recommend an LA veno. While your increased dex will give you a better critical hit rate than most AA or HA or even HA/AA builds, it's going to gimp your damage in both fox and human form considering the fact LA isn't geared towards good magic attack nor physical attack. (The exception here is for Sins, but again much like Archers their damage is based on dex rather than any other stat, so they won't suffer damage gimps for wearing LA.)

    HA/AA venos are great if you know how to play them; they can do well in any PvE situation because of their ability to swap gear and exchange defences depending on the situation and, although their damage is gimped magically, they're still relatively good DDers and they can still debuff. Pure AA venos deal more magic damage, but you have to remember that the venomancer is the weakest caster class in the game anyway. Every other magic class is going to deal more damage than you in terms of spell-casting regardless of what build you take. I'd personally suggest HA/AA or AA simply because the HA/AA build is fun to toy with if you can get it right and offers some good defences (also, get a Herc/Nix if you don't already have them. You sound like you have the cash) and the AA build will let you maximise the potential of your spells.

    LA... is really only good on venos for it's crit rate. There are few other advantages a veno gets from LA unless they're intending to go 5aps, in which case I'd suggest they just make a BM or Sin anyway because they'll solo far easier at endgame.

    FINALLY. Some good advice b:thanks
    Alright, yeah, it does make sense, I was just considering it a step up magic attack wise from a HA, while pdef wise from an AA.

    Thankfully, I'm only using this alt for nirvana farming, so hopefully a good amp will get me by b:chuckle

    Off to go play around on the build calculator I guess b:surrender
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Lets be honest though. You already have the LA gear and you're probably only gonna be using the veno for Nirvana anyway, right? Plus, a veno's main job in there is just purge/amp/pdef break.

    I guess the real question is, how cheap do you want to be?
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  • Talihina - Raging Tide
    Talihina - Raging Tide Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Lets be honest though. You already have the LA gear and you're probably only gonna be using the veno for Nirvana anyway, right? Plus, a veno's main job in there is just purge/amp/pdef break.

    I guess the real question is, how cheap do you want to be?

    b:pleased Pretty cheap, I'd go full nuke if I was going to use it full time.

    I guess I now know why people don't use LA venosb:thanks Was just wondering if there was any build that worked around LA, since I've never seen one. b:laugh
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  • rgog
    rgog Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    It sounds like your LA Veno will do what you need anyways. Pet will cause some decent damage and your purge/amp will be helpfull, you can bramble and DD fine. The part that HA will hurt most is your pet heals and your DD but those probably won't be a big deal in your regular group anyways.
  • LenaKitteh - Dreamweaver
    LenaKitteh - Dreamweaver Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Well for starters you would have gotten more concise answers posting this in the correct forum -> Class -> Venomancer. Those people actually have Venos and have experience with the builds you're discussing.

    HA/AA - Really good for PVP, but not really a huge advantage in PVE. Very Expensive

    LA - Has pretty mediocre physical and magical defence - what is your main focus in going LA? HA armour refines better for HP addition compared to other armours. Considering you have a pet I don't see the huge need for physical defence, especially if you're doing Nirvy. There you won't be pulling off BMs or Sins. Only thing I could think of would be physical AOE.

    AA - Allows you the ability to go full nuke/DD if you want, and still not gimp your pet heals. Granted you aren't doing much but farming - but why not be a DD in between throwing amps and purges? There IS a cooldown on both, in which you can DD for the squad - and doing this lets you pass sparks (LOL as though you'd need to with a 4/5 APS squad) and gain chi for ironwood - either culti Ironwood is a nice addition to throw into the mix for your fellow meleers.

    Going AA despite it only being a farming character might be a bit cheaper overall - you can get away with doing some good NPC or dropped gear and just refining it/sharding with citrines.

    Up to you ultimately, this will probably end up being moved to the Veno forum so you can get more input over there.
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    LA is the BEST armor EVER for levels 50-65, on a Veno. You can tank ranged physical by switching to Fox Form, and letting your pet kill stuff.

    After 65, you'll regret LA. You will wear your weapon out in TT's... Either go HA/4.0, or Arcane/Rank. Either way, you will be able to Amp/Purge and DO MORE DAMAGE than LA.

    I thought the critrate of LA would compensate for the really low MAttack. It... It really, really, really, really doesn't. Your crits are about the normal damage of a regular AA Veno, and glitchy crit rate or not, you aren't gonna get a 100% crit rate.

    So... I suggest you stick with regular old Arcane. LA has advantages if you are going to level the normal way through the 50-65 range, doing quests... But nothing after that.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    LenaKitteh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well for starters you would have gotten more concise answers posting this in the correct forum -> Class -> Venomancer. Those people actually have Venos and have experience with the builds you're discussing.

    You talk as if nobody who has posted here has a venomancer alt, which was the biggest mistake and dumbest thing you said in the entire post. IJS. /goes back to playing on her veno
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  • Talihina - Raging Tide
    Talihina - Raging Tide Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    LenaKitteh - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well for starters you would have gotten more concise answers posting this in the correct forum -> Class -> Venomancer. Those people actually have Venos and have experience with the builds you're discussing.

    b:thanks I even stated at the end of my post that I had placed it in the wrong forum, thanks for coming out though. b:bye


    EDIT: Anyway, thanks all, I've got the repsonses I needed. I'm just gonna be cheap and stash my gear. LOL
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  • LenaKitteh - Dreamweaver
    LenaKitteh - Dreamweaver Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You talk as if nobody who has posted here has a venomancer alt, which was the biggest mistake and dumbest thing you said in the entire post. IJS. /goes back to playing on her veno


    No need to get snippy and all up-in-arms defensive about it - simply saying this forum is also going to get a lot of responses from people who DO NOT have Veno alts but want to weigh in anyway without having played the class in that armour. Everyone at this point has an alt of an alt of an alt - when posting questions about a particular class it's best going in the right forum. b:bye

    Talihina - Raging Tide wrote: »
    b:thanks I even stated at the end of my post that I had placed it in the wrong forum, thanks for coming out though. b:bye

    Yeah I read your whole post, and I was simply stating why it would better have been placed there - not just taking a jab at you for posting somewhere incorrectly.




    I particularly love how two posts have been made (three including my response) on what is basically the smallest portion of anything I wrote in my post - way to jump all over the insignificant stuff IJS.

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