Battle Cleric

SaiKun - Harshlands · May 2011

I told a certain class that I was building my cleric to PvP.

Sin : AWWEE that's so cute b:cute
Now, buff me and I promise I won't slaughter your pretty face, mmkay?

Me : b:angry

Is it even worth keeping my cleric and trying to prove them wrong?
Or is it a losing fight?b:surrender

truekossy · May 2011

Sins dominate 1v1 PK, so there's nothing you can do about that.

However a good cleric is still a very deadly force in PvP. Just have to know how to play them well and have some decent gear backing you up.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Whats a battle Cleric? LA,HA,AA? pure?
if its HA...-runs away-

SaiKun - Harshlands · May 2011

Usually AA. Never seen a HA or a LA cleric.

Edit : I did a calc on it and a HA wouldn't be able to hit very hard at all. LA would have the least P.def, M.def, and attack power than a AA. So.... a battle cleric would be AA, me thinks.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · May 2011

SaiKun - Harshlands wrote: »

Usually AA. Never seen a HA or a LA cleric.

Edit : I did a calc on it and a HA wouldn't be able to hit very hard at all. LA would have the least P.def, M.def, and attack power than a AA. So.... a battle cleric would be AA, me thinks.

i think a battle Cleric is a Cleric that can wear both sets. HA and AA. He has basicly low-mid. phys. defense and mid. mag attack.

Since pure AA = Full Attack Cleric = Pure build Cleric = Full support Cleric <--not really battle...

People usually say Battle Clerics wear both sets of armor.

SaiKun - Harshlands · May 2011

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i think a battle Cleric is a Cleric that can wear both sets. HA and AA. He has basicly low-mid. phys. defense and mid. mag attack.

Since pure AA = Full Attack Cleric = Pure build Cleric = Full support Cleric <--not really battle...

People usually say Battle Clerics wear both sets of armor.

Oh ok. But how would that work exactly? Would you use AA on the offense, but when they get close, you just switch to HA? And how would you switch all the pieces in time to protect yourself, along with spamming heal, using genie skills and whatnot?

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · May 2011

http://pwcalc.com/df7951359f7b9ae7

HA gear (str req.) + AA weapon (mag req).

High phys. defense.
Mid. Magic attack
Mid. Magic defense. <--optional due other gear sets.
Base HP of 3, needs good HP shards

Edit: Eh i used a build of HA/AA Veno tho, so ornaments etc is optional. But the basic is same..HA Gear and AA Weapon and what kossy said, if you have money get a second AA Set and place it as Hotkeys.

truekossy · May 2011

SaiKun - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh ok. But how would that work exactly? Would you use AA on the offense, but when they get close, you just switch to HA? And how would you switch all the pieces in time to protect yourself, along with spamming heal, using genie skills and whatnot?

Drag gear to hotkeys -> use hotkeys when the situation warrants?

I do that on my Heavy/Robe veno all the time and for weapons too. Makes life much easier.

Fistol - Raging Tide · May 2011

SaiKun - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh ok. But how would that work exactly? Would you use AA on the offense, but when they get close, you just switch to HA? And how would you switch all the pieces in time to protect yourself, along with spamming heal, using genie skills and whatnot?

http://pwcalc.com/048d8e5025484b11
wear LA.. blast em, when they come close... bring out your deicide and own them with 4aps.b:laughb:laugh

Quinarella - Sanctuary · May 2011

There is No Such Thing as a "Battle Cleric". If you want to do the most damage go Pure. If you want Phys Def for survivability then go Vit Hybrid. As far as a Light Armor Cleric goes if you make a AA Vit Hybrid the right way and shard with Garnet you will have MORE Phys Def than with Light armor. The only thing you gain with Light armor is a little HP, Phys attack (which is Useless on a Cleric) and Crit but you loose Mag def and mag attack.
So you think you are getting More Phys Def cuz you have Light armor but you don't and your heals and attacks are weaker.

PWI Calculator

AA Cleric Lv95
http://pwcalc.com/?char=c5ebf0257b201c47http://

LA Cleric Lv95
http://pwcalc.com/?char=b0cbbee43cebd800

Everything is Exactly the same except for the Armor and Shards

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2011

/facedesk

There is NO such thing as a Full Attack Cleric -.-

Clerics can be all 3 of those builds, depends on what you want but AA/INT is the best for any Cleric.

I know a few HA clerics that have done it right, but it is RARE and very expensive. LA, I have only seen like 2 that pulled it off but they went AA/INT at 100.

Also, HA/AA can be a full AA Cleric with good sharding and decent refines.

Lastly, sins are a pain in the rear regardless

Your best bet for PvP is literally Pure Magic.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Quinarella - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is No Such Thing as a "Battle Cleric".

There is such a thing as battle Cleric, just cause its not sticked to forum, doesnt mean whoever invented it, cant call it the way he wants to (i dont know if he invented it tho, but people call battle clerics HA/AA build. just cause you dont know it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist)

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=4762432

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

/facedesk

There is NO such thing as a Full Attack Cleric -.-

Clerics can be all 3 of those builds, depends on what you want but AA/INT is the best for any Cleric.

I know a few HA clerics that have done it right, but it is RARE and very expensive. LA, I have only seen like 2 that pulled it off but they went AA/INT at 100.

Also, HA/AA can be a full AA Cleric with good sharding and decent refines.

Lastly, sins are a pain in the rear regardless

Your best bet for PvP is literally Pure Magic.

1. i used the merely different and common designations for one build. i rather prefer to call it Full Support Clerics tho
2. and who are you exactly to say that there is NO such a thing as a full attack cleric?

If you read before she is Magic Cleric with AA gear, noone told her to go the HA/AA way, just explained her what it is.

Quinarella - Sanctuary · May 2011

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There is such a thing as battle Cleric, just cause its not sticked to forum, doesnt mean whoever invented it, cant call it the way he wants to (i dont know if he invented it tho, but people call battle clerics HA/AA build. just cause you dont know it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist)

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=4762432

Ok I Stand Corrected.

Any and Every Cleric IS a so called "Battle Cleric". As long as your Cleric Does any of the Following: Attacks and kills mobs DD's and Tanks Bosses, PK and TW's then you are a "Battle Cleric"

I also Just Invented the "Mage Barb" I used the PWI Calculator to make a Lv 100 Barb with Arcane Armor For Tanking Magic mobs and Bosses. So there ya go the "Magic Barb" Exists, Therefore It Is !!!

I Made a "Fist Cleric" Too, With Light Armor and Interval Gear. So we now have a "Fist Cleric" to go with our "Battle Cleric" and "Mage Barb" It Exists Therefore It is !!!

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Quinarella - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok I Stand Corrected.

Any and Every Cleric IS a so called "Battle Cleric". As long as your Cleric Does any of the Following: Attacks and kills mobs DD's and Tanks Bosses, PK and TW's then you are a "Battle Cleric"

I also Just Invented the "Mage Barb" I used the PWI Calculator to make a Lv 100 Barb with Arcane Armor For Tanking Magic mobs and Bosses. So there ya go the "Magic Barb" Exists, Therefore It Is !!!

I Made a "Fist Cleric" Too, With Light Armor and Interval Gear. So we now have a "Fist Cleric" to go with our "Battle Cleric" and "Mage Barb" It Exists Therefore It is !!!

Yes so, what you trying to tell me? Veno fists exist as well, Mage Barbs exist as well..who the banana cares, its not like you playing the chars. Their build, their way..if they call it Sammitch Build, i care less as long they do their job.

i said it before as well. if someone calls himself a battle cleric people usually asume its a HA/AA build. It does exist and i saw few using it.

Thistle_grey - Sanctuary · May 2011

I think I'll go 'Full Support Cleric' and just hang out at my faction's base and buff people. I wonder if I can restat for this? I guess I'd have to max out all my healing and buffs. Oh, wait, I forgot, ALL of my spells, DD/Healing/Buff/Seals ARE at their max right now. Heck everything's even Sage that's available at my level (92nd) . . . So am I an 'Attack Cleric'? A 'Support Cleric'? Or am I a 'Hybrid Cleric'? Quin, can you help me figure out how to become a 'Fist Cleric'?

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Quinarella - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is No Such Thing as a "Battle Cleric". If you want to do the most damage go Pure. If you want Phys Def for survivability then go Vit Hybrid. As far as a Light Armor Cleric goes if you make a AA Vit Hybrid the right way and shard with Garnet you will have MORE Phys Def than with Light armor. The only thing you gain with Light armor is a little HP, Phys attack (which is Useless on a Cleric) and Crit but you loose Mag def and mag attack.
So you think you are getting More Phys Def cuz you have Light armor but you don't and your heals and attacks are weaker.

PWI Calculator

AA Cleric Lv95
http://pwcalc.com/?char=c5ebf0257b201c47http://

LA Cleric Lv95
http://pwcalc.com/?char=b0cbbee43cebd800

Everything is Exactly the same except for the Armor and Shards

Ok....so you're comparing two lvl 95 clerics LA vs AA and I totally agree with the vit/hybird AA cleric comment. However, I'm a bit confused as to why in the world you would use channeling neck and belt. Most clerics (including my lvl 100 one) run a pdef neck and belt and can swap out to a channeling neck and belt. Any cleric that PvPs or TWs has a pdef neck and belt and will run that vs channeling in those situations.

Also .... why if they're lvl 95 are you using the lvl 85 Auspicious Ring: Order. It would be better to go for the Lunar Ring which also has neg 6% channeling, crit, and +250 pdef to it. Both rings (ie Auspicious Order and Lunar) are going to cost to get and you might as well save up for them.

If you have the money or can save up for it....go for the Warsong pdef neck and Warsong pdef belt (lvl 80 I think can wear).

I had to do more of a vit hybrid build on my cleric because at lvl 100 she borrows all my veno's gear except tome, cape and weapon. Full sage buffs she runs ~8.3k hp, 12k mdef and 11.5k pdef, max attack is over 13k. That's with the Lunar Ring x2, Warsong neck/belt, TT99 wrists, chest, boots, Nirvana stage 2 legs (all with garnet pdef shards), Warsoul of Heaven w/+10 vit shards, Cloud charger cape w/garnet shards. So a bit lower hp, but with the amt of pdef she runs....doesn't really affect her. When you have multiple chars that can use the same gear, might as well work your butt off to get exactly what you want for your char(s). Oh, and my cleric still runs over 33% channeling with full pdef gear on. So she's not losing out there.

Quinarella - Sanctuary · May 2011

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok....so you're comparing two lvl 95 clerics LA vs AA and I totally agree with the vit/hybird AA cleric comment. However, I'm a bit confused as to why in the world you would use channeling neck and belt. Most clerics (including my lvl 100 one) run a pdef neck and belt and can swap out to a channeling neck and belt. Any cleric that PvPs or TWs has a pdef neck and belt and will run that vs channeling in those situations.

Also .... why if they're lvl 95 are you using the lvl 85 Auspicious Ring: Order. It would be better to go for the Lunar Ring which also has neg 6% channeling, crit, and +250 pdef to it. Both rings (ie Auspicious Order and Lunar) are going to cost to get and you might as well save up for them.

If you have the money or can save up for it....go for the Warsong pdef neck and Warsong pdef belt (lvl 80 I think can wear).

I had to do more of a vit hybrid build on my cleric because at lvl 100 she borrows all my veno's gear except tome, cape and weapon. Full sage buffs she runs ~8.3k hp, 12k mdef and 11.5k pdef, max attack is over 13k. That's with the Lunar Ring x2, Warsong neck/belt, TT99 wrists, chest, boots, Nirvana stage 2 legs (all with garnet pdef shards), Warsoul of Heaven w/+10 vit shards, Cloud charger cape w/garnet shards. So a bit lower hp, but with the amt of pdef she runs....doesn't really affect her. When you have multiple chars that can use the same gear, might as well work your butt off to get exactly what you want for your char(s). Oh, and my cleric still runs over 33% channeling with full pdef gear on. So she's not losing out there.

Yes I know and you make great points. For one though I do not PvP so I like the chaneling for Healing and I am Married to a Barb so I'm never without my Big Protector. Also the Clerics that I know that use ornaments for Phys Def are pure and shard with Citrine. I get My Phys Def from Garnets so I can use channeling ornaments. As far as the Auspicious Ring: Order's I just used those for this example cuz it was easier than tabbing in and out of the game to copy my gear. I just wanted to make 2 Clerics that were exactly alike except for the Armor and the shards. you can put any ornaments on that you want as long as the 2 have the same exact thing and the results will be the same. I actually did this to win a bet with my Son who insisted that a LA cleric was better because it had more Phys Def. but as you can see the AA Vit Hybrid actually has more. I have also compared a Pure Mag Cleric to the Vit Hybrid and the Vit Hybrid actually has more HP and Phys Def. The Pure Mag Build Has to Shard with Citrine for HP but you don't get any Phys Def from the shards. You would have to use ornaments and then you can't have Channeling gear. But the Pure Mag Cleric obviously hits harder and heals stronger. Again I did this to win a bet with my Son who Swore that I needed to Shard my gear with Citrine to get more HP. The test was the same way. Both Clerics have the came Exact hear and ornaments I only changed the build and shards.

Pure Mag Build w/Citrines
http://pwcalc.com/d736975e5e634f15

Vit Hybrid w/Garnets
http://pwcalc.com/cce8e83bc7030153

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Quinarella - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes I know and you make great points. For one though I do not PvP so I like the channeling for Healing and I am Married to a Barb so I'm never without my Big Protector. Also the Clerics that I know that use ornaments for Phys Def are pure and shard with Citrine. I get My Phys Def from Garnets so I can use channeling ornaments. As far as the Auspicious Ring: Order's I just used those for this example cuz it was easier than tabbing in and out of the game to copy my gear. I just wanted to make 2 Clerics that were exactly alike except for the Armor and the shards. you can put any ornaments on that you want as long as the 2 have the same exact thing and the results will be the same. I actually did this to win a bet with my Son who insisted that a LA cleric was better because it had more Phys Def. but as you can see the AA Vit Hybrid actually has more. I have also compared a Pure Mag Cleric to the Vit Hybrid and the Vit Hybrid actually has more HP and Phys Def. The Pure Mag Build Has to Shard with Citrine for HP but you don't get any Phys Def from the shards. You would have to use ornaments and then you can't have Channeling gear. But the Pure Mag Cleric obviously hits harder and heals stronger. Again I did this to win a bet with my Son who Swore that I needed to Shard my gear with Citrine to get more HP. The test was the same way. Both Clerics have the came Exact hear and ornaments I only changed the build and shards.

Pure Mag Build w/Citrines
http://pwcalc.com/d736975e5e634f15

Vit Hybrid w/Garnets
http://pwcalc.com/cce8e83bc7030153

Thanks for your response. I think part of my surprise was based on the OP saying they were going to PvP then seeing the use of channeling gear in the comparison. My cleric runs my veno's hubby's BM so I have my own protector as well which is why I like to be able to swap the gear. As we sometimes duo BH99 I have a preference for the pdef due to aoes of the bosses. Which is also helpful in the higher TTs as well. Nice thing is you can hot key your pdef/channeling gear and do fast swaps as necessary.

SaiKun - Harshlands · May 2011

Thank you to all the one's who helped with this. I'll see what I can do with Vit/Garnet shard build.

And to the flamers, I simply asked for help. No need to bite my head off.

Haters gonna hate b:surrender

ReMakaBo - Archosaur · May 2011

VIT hybrid... AA gears, and decent p-def fully buffed.. to me is an ideal "battle cleric" Survivabilty is what makes a good PvP cleric shine..

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2011

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. i used the merely different and common designations for one build. i rather prefer to call it Full Support Clerics tho
2. and who are you exactly to say that there is NO such a thing as a full attack cleric?

If you read before she is Magic Cleric with AA gear, noone told her to go the HA/AA way, just explained her what it is.

A "Full Attack Cleric" is a a Wizard with Heals. Now, what are the odds that ANY Cleric in ANY situation will be 100% Attack and not throw 1 heal or 1 buff? Therefore, there is no such this...A "Full Attack Cleric" is basically a full Magic (AA/INT) build Cleric and back in the day (1 year + ago) is was a build in which buffs and revive was NOT leveled, only attack skills. Meaning their idea was no never buff and never revive because all they wanted to do was pew-pew = Wizard with the opportunity to have heals and buffs. Maybe it is just an "old school" way of thinking but FAC has and still sends shivers when I here people use it in the below ways versus: I am a Full AA/INT cleric...Besides IF someone wanted to be a FULL 100% FAC (-.-) that would level nothing but attacks.

Here

A bunch here....

Also, before you got all defensive, I never said go one way or the other, just what I thought was a "best" build. I also noted that I have seen various builds that HAVE worked but as a disclaimer they are not easy and are expensive to pull off. You also have to have a GREAT knowledge of your Cleric before even considering these alternate builds. I know Ahira (from the link you posted) and he is one of only 2 HA Clerics that I have seen 100% able to pull this build off. Does not mean other's can't but I am skeptical with the way the game is now and how people level and play. Ahira has been playing since around Closed Beta.

I thinkk you need to not get so defensive and take other people's opinion's in before you push YOUR idea onto other's. No one said right or wrong, just that the term's used are not the right one's in this poster/player's opinion and as such it was stated.

Just for **** and giggles...An AMAZING HA Cleric that I had the pleasure of playing with:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=626492

Never said it could not be done or shouldn't. All these nick-names though drive me nuts. ANY Cleric can pew-pew and be "so-n-so" build. Why does the different builds have to be labeled "Battle" or "Full Attack" or "Full Support" etc, etc...I would probably be considered "Full Support" because that is my play style but do not think for one second that with 3vit and all Mag with 100% garnet sharding, on BOTH my level 102 Clerics, that I cannot pew-pew and "Battle" with the best of them...b:byeb:chuckle

To Poster --> In my opinion (before ppl flip out)...Go full mag and use refines for hp and garnets for sharding, pdef ornaments. Add vit early on if you want to have that extra hp then you can slowly pull the vit out as your refines and hp get higher. Basically a Hybird Built Cleric (vit/mag)...Just please do not forget about some pdef, hp is not everything

Levitamancer - Raging Tide · May 2011

To me, sorry if my ignorance is forthcoming, a Battle Cleric/Support Cleric is simply a matter of preference in what to shard/refine. There are PvP Clerics (heavy armor) of course, but I can only see that sharding preferences leaves the "attack" or "support" preferences open.

What to shard, though, is another thing completely which could be discussed by more experienced players. :P

Edit: I'd show them why Cleric can be a DD as well as a healer. ^_^

SilkWind - Lost City · May 2011

i've seen one once, and he could solo bosses in Lothranisb:shocked

Fistol - Raging Tide · May 2011

just stick to healing all the way till 100,b:laugh

some builds are meant for people who are rich in game and have the resources to back whatever stunt they want to pull.

that HA build being build still doesnt justify the use of it, it is still spending more money to look good.
Plus going HA yet only using a few piece of HA is just meh.

LongWushi - Heavens Tear · May 2011

SaiKun - Harshlands wrote: »

I told a certain class that I was building my cleric to PvP.

Sin : AWWEE that's so cute b:cute
Now, buff me and I promise I won't slaughter your pretty face, mmkay?

Me : b:angry

Is it even worth keeping my cleric and trying to prove them wrong?
Or is it a losing fight?b:surrender

Absolutely worth keeping your cleric! I have fought my way into squads as a DD (and ended up doing the healing job because the other cleric faceplanted so much). Quite a few people seem have a mental wall that when they see or hear "cleric" they automatically think heals and buffs only. They forget about the other skill tree and the fact that all that magic we have makes us almost as good a DD as a wizard. Yes, our skill set is different and we don't have a continuous aoe, but our skills are very strong.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear · May 2011

I dont know how much the Full attack Cleric and Full Suport Cleric Stereotypes continue to exist today. I believe a cleric should max all his/her skills ( with exceptions of course) and be excellent at all roles. At a squad i dont just spam IH and buff , i debuff the bosses (the ones with no AoE that could potentially kill me) AoE mobs or simple DD 1vs1.

After all, with the mild competition mystics pose , a cleric need to be useful 100% to squad in all roles ( = mystic can easily heal a tank at simple bosses like the Fb 59s or 39 while dealing DD and debuffing at same time).

now since u want to do PVP with ur cleric , ur choice of armor should be Arcane robes as for shards depends

1) if u are rich , follow a pure magic build (9 mag 1 str every 2 lvls) , use strictly phys def ornaments and combine with citrines. If u give high refines to ur armor ( endgame mostly) do a mixed sharding with citrines and garnets.

2) if u are poor , a base vit of 40 is nice to have , maybe 50 but not more , ull decrease ur dmg potential. as for shards , garnets mostly , and citrines too if u dont have high refines.

TigerLily - Lost City · May 2011

What the hell is a full support cleric anyway? Someone with level 1 Plume Shot and level 11 Heals? Someone that refuses to DD when asked to? Sounds like a lazy person and not a build.

Only full support cleric you will ever find is an alt, a char that you use when you multi client. Put it on follow and activate Ironheart + Wellspring macro <_<

Any cleric thats a main char and knows his class will play both offensive and supportive, depending on situation. Having most spare stat points into vitality doesn't make you more support either really. You just heal for less and get more hp.

There has never been such a thing as a Full attack/Full Support Cleric unless you count people around level 40-60. Its like lowbie BMs saying they're pure Spear build or something stupid. Once they reach 90+ they understand that they have to explore all weapons paths unless they wanna be terrible.

Decus - Dreamweaver · May 2011

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i said it before as well. if someone calls himself a battle cleric people usually asume its a HA/AA build. It does exist and i saw few using it.

Levitamancer - Raging Tide wrote: »

There are PvP Clerics (heavy armor) of course...

This game must have significantly changed since I quit because I have never heard this before.

HA clerics had AA robes (at least the few I ever saw) and still only called themselves HA clerics...

I agree entirely with what Rose (one of the best PvP clerics in this game) said in her post. If you want to PvP, then good gear is a must and there is no option other than Full INT. Keeping the "full attack" label alive just serves to confuse new players. You will use all your skills to stay alive in PK, no doubt about it.

Hiemus - Raging Tide · May 2011

I'm not sure how related this questions is, but what exactly does Cleric gain from each Vit attribute other than some extra HP points? It's supposed to up Phy.Def. as well but I've no idea how much or where to find out. I'm assuming, for the same amount of +xxxHP, it's better if that comes from a +Vit equip rather than a +HP equip, because of the ambiguous +Phy.Def. somewhere in that +Vit?

Zvyn - Heavens Tear · May 2011

People say the +HP equips are better because you can get more HP that way than with +VIT gears. I think you should have an equally easy time finding gears that offer (decent) +Phys Res or -% damage reduction. I've never really looked into the physical resistance of my own cleric because she handles well, has my veno's hand-me-down TT90, and with buffs it's pretty decent anyway.

Ahira - Lost City · May 2011

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This game must have significantly changed since I quit because I have never heard this before.

HA clerics had AA robes (at least the few I ever saw) and still only called themselves HA clerics...

I agree entirely with what Rose (one of the best PvP clerics in this game) said in her post. If you want to PvP, then good gear is a must and there is no option other than Full INT. Keeping the "full attack" label alive just serves to confuse new players. You will use all your skills to stay alive in PK, no doubt about it.

Dont really play much these days but I can also add that pvp balance is considerably weighted towards offence now. Upgrading your armor/accessories in order to try to counter this is far more expensive than increasing your chances by maxing your damage (as well as using a well thought out genie).

EEk! When did Rose become a pvp cleric?! =O !!

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