Petition against disban of sex

stalker69s
stalker69s Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2011 in Off-Topic Discussion
The low down:
PWI is trying to make us disban a level 3 faction named "SEX." We have a petition start on another website for our faction at pwisex.clan.su
To many ppl were saying that i was trying to phising so im moving it here.
I need ur help in trying to make a petition to not allow this faction to get banned. Its a lil 3 faction and i ton of nice 18+ year old players in it. All i hear is "Nice fac" and mostly people approving it. PWI will not refund any of the coins of the faction also.

Reasons y it should say:
Other faction names such as:
HighTimez (Dealing with smoking weed)
Foreplay icon includes boobies (sexually suggestive)
BootyCamp (When you plan to have a booty call spend the night.)


*I dont not hate any of these factions nor do i want to see them get banned. Im just trying to help my own faction our because all of our members enjoy being inside our faction*

Im also trying to speak to a senior rep on this issue.
I know most of u might QQ over this but my faction members love the name and im not causing any harm to other players.

Also this game is rated T for "Suggestive Themes" and "Fantasy Violence"

Thank you all and have a nice day.
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  • Kagalee - Dreamweaver
    Kagalee - Dreamweaver Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I agree that this faction should not be disbanded.

    If PWI did not want such a name, why did they allow it to be created in the first place?
    Also, the word "sex" is not censored in any of the chats, so why is it so much worse as a faction name?

    The fact that they won't return the coins to the leader of the faction is also troubling. He paid 12.1 million coins to create the faction. To not refund the coins or gold that was turned into coins is theft, for PWI did not stop the creation of this faction in the first place.

    We would really appreciate any help towards keeping our faction alive and running. After all, this game is all about fun, and this faction is no exception.

    Thanks for the support.
    Kagalee ---
  • xxxxtriciaxxxx
    xxxxtriciaxxxx Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    this faction should not be disbanned what so ever we make sure everyone is aged 18+ when we recruit and everyone in it loves the faction.. we should be able to keep it
  • krittycat
    krittycat Posts: 4,187 Community Moderator
    edited May 2011
    Just to give you an idea of what good this will do, PWI can cause a forced disband. Also, they can ban players. This is their game, their property, their rules. You could have "signatures" from every single player in their vast database, and their decision will remain the same. Sorry...
  • Jellytoast - Sanctuary
    Jellytoast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Lol, the word sex is not a bad word. You could even be talking about genders, who knows. Anyone who finds the word "sex" offensive needs to get a life.

    Cause as a person, being created by sex is sooo offensive, xD
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  • stalker69s
    stalker69s Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    KrittyCat wrote: »
    Just to give you an idea of what good this will do, PWI can cause a forced disband. Also, they can ban players. This is their game, their property, their rules. You could have "signatures" from every single player in their vast database, and their decision will remain the same. Sorry...

    U pretty much work for PWI. U dont see the side of the players and u also think that ur greater then ur the players. You do not see the logic and reasoning behind this because u have blind eyes.



    Jellytoast - Thank you ^^ i completely agree with u there. Ive been trying to actually speak to a pwi senior rep (ofc they wont let me talk to them) to settle all of this. Anyways thank you again
  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    OP - We're volunteers, we don't work for PWE and first and foremost we are players just like you. You did however sign the ToS to be able to play the game and allowed PWE to do what ever they like to your in game experience. Inappropriate guild and character names aren't allowed and when creating a faction at the NPC you are asked to avoid from doing that. b:thanks
  • ColdAsLife - Dreamweaver
    ColdAsLife - Dreamweaver Posts: 432 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    stalker69s wrote: »
    Regenesis icon pot plant (suggests smoking)

    Regenesis's icon has nothing to do with smoking, better delete that.
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  • stalker69s
    stalker69s Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    OP - We're volunteers, we don't work for PWE and first and foremost we are players just like you. You did however sign the ToS to be able to play the game and allowed PWE to do what ever they like to your in game experience. Inappropriate guild and character names aren't allowed and when creating a faction at the NPC you are asked to avoid from doing that. b:thanks

    Then please explain to me why these other factions
    "HighTimez (Dealing with smoking weed)
    Foreplay icon includes boobies (sexually suggestive)
    BootyCamp (When you plan to have a booty call spend the night.)"

    Are still being able to be made and continue?
    Regenesis's icon has nothing to do with smoking, better delete that.

    I did but the is a small weed plant beginning to grow. Can find the links if u like
  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    stalker69s wrote: »
    Then please explain to me why these other factions
    "HighTimez (Dealing with smoking weed)
    Foreplay icon includes boobies (sexually suggestive)
    BootyCamp (When you plan to have a booty call spend the night.)"

    Are still being able to be made and continue?

    It only means they have no been reported yet. Sex is a little too much out there compared to them so you shouldn't be surprised it was brought the the attention of the GMs by a player.
  • Larkray - Dreamweaver
    Larkray - Dreamweaver Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Actually they have been reported several times (not by me but by someone else not to be named) The GM response was the game offers the ability to do so, so there is nothing bannable being done.... *sniffs* i smell something fishy here :o
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  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Larkray - If the person reported to get them banned, I understand why the GM would say its not bannable. Its true it isn't bannable, however factions whose name is inappropriate are usually requested to disband - failing to do so usually takes different measures though. The GM stance on this is pretty clear.
  • RoriBelham - Lost City
    RoriBelham - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Shelly you seem to be going back and forth with your answers.

    there is nothing wrong with the word 'sex'. it's not specifily announcing a type or form of description on the word.

    and if i'm not mistaken Ellusives icon was a potleaf and i specifly reported that and nothing.

    GMs should stop worrying about little stuff like this, leave the guy with his guild.

    Hell run through all the LC guilds i'm sure you can find tons that should be disband.

    you can't pick the word 'sex' out of all the stuff out there. i mean what about player Nopeenis? or the guild T-bag? >.>

    how about shortbus? you guy promoting making fun of mentally challenged people?
  • Lesthar - Heavens Tear
    Lesthar - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,045 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I agree that this faction should not be disbanded.

    If PWI did not want such a name, why did they allow it to be created in the first place?
    Also, the word "sex" is not censored in any of the chats, so why is it so much worse as a faction name?

    Thanks for the support.
    Kagalee ---

    This is something that always amused me. The word 'sex' indeed can mean different things, but I don't think that some people in PWI would create a faction to talk about equality gender, right and the beauty of life in general. Even the mainstream use of the word is monitored and euphemized into 'gender'.

    As for being allowed, I do think it is an automatic process. I do believe that in-game GMs should not allow factions to be put into game directly and thus be only approved after a limbo period of a few days (if of course they are accepted). I am sure you would agree to this?

    I even suggested that faction, player and pet names should be de facto but also retroactively looked at (as in GMs going to databases and filtering carefully) and censoring/banning/renaming with cute and ridiculous terms all of those that are undoubtly offensive... But again, after a careful warning and dicussion with the concerned ones).

    This game has a community that can really go out of control. I wish rules were really stricter.
    Lol, the word sex is not a bad word. You could even be talking about genders, who knows. Anyone who finds the word "sex" offensive needs to get a life.

    Note: This thread contains lots of naming and shaming... Well done guys. This proves there is a lot to do for the community and that you could help it too.
    Note 2: After reading my responses, you may think I am a stuck-up guy who wants to always be right and a tad radical in his suggestions. It's part true, because I desperately want to enjoy gaming in a clean community, which is not so much the case nowadays. I then am absolutely not closed to adversary arguments (if you troll me, I will return the favor in kind). Just be objective and to the point and I will be glad to reply. Thanks.

    Cause as a person, being created by sex is sooo offensive, xD

    The word itself is not offensive, it's its use and meaning that has been used stupidly over the generations and totally corrupted. If you look at words concerning the poor, the blind, the elderly, ethnicities and groups of people depending on variation of skin color ( I refuse to use the term 'race' when referring to Humanity, the shady groups of people (criminals and so on) and thousands of examples of the same kind, it is the same, it's all about politically correct words because the original words were tainted beyond recognition.

    Besides that, the term 'sex' in the sense you are talking about has always been a taboo... So no, it is not a light matter. Does that affect me much though? Not really. But again, all of this supposedly mature talk is just perverted conversation in a game that should not contain such topics. I always found this kind of role-playing and interaction in general, ludicrous and pointless to say the least.

    Those people are better in other kind of games, which would be designed for that purpose (or at least legitimately contain it).



    P.S.: This thread contains a lot of naming and shaming... Well done guys... At least there is lots to do for a better community, and you people can work for it too. But again, if it's about pointing at the door of others' and not seeing one own's faults... Especially OP, who I guess would want the game to be rated M... *shrugs*

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  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    It only means they have no been reported yet. Sex is a little too much out there compared to them so you shouldn't be surprised it was brought the the attention of the GMs by a player.

    Shelly if your saying that the only reason that the faction is going to get disbanned is because one person reported it then that makes this whole situation really messed up. If only one person reports something and i have to disban the faction for such a simple name as "SEX" and there are other names like Foreplay, which is more subjective to sexual incentives. Also PWI allowed them to have an icon. Thus, this means they are able to submit it thru PWI and have there "GM and staff" so call "look" (now i dont even think they look at what people post or submit) at their icon.

    Shelly what is wrong with the word sex?
    According to Dictionary. com <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sex&gt; the primary definition of "sex" is either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated with reference to the reproductive functions.
  • TreeHugs - Harshlands
    TreeHugs - Harshlands Posts: 368 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    i find nothing wrong with the faction name. like stated above the word sex isnt even filtered in game or on forum. if it was filtered then i would agree with pwi. but they obviously didnt think it was a bad word enough to filter.
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  • krittycat
    krittycat Posts: 4,187 Community Moderator
    edited May 2011
    I'll try to get frankie to come in here and give an official response, just so this issue can be settled.
  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    KrittyCat wrote: »
    I'll try to get frankie to come in here and give an official response, just so this issue can be settled.

    Im trying to speak to a senior rep. I dont want another mod. I want a senior rep. The least PWI can do is give me 12.1m so i can remake my a level three faction but they wont even do that.
  • Tygurr - Sanctuary
    Tygurr - Sanctuary Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Petitions for online games never work. Anyone with common sense knows that.
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  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Petitions for online games never work. Anyone with common sense knows that.

    Dont care now if it will work or not (well i do because our faction loves the name and everyone in the fac loves each other) they also dont want to see this fac get disban)
    This is also showing how PWI will be insensitive about their players and how they actually filter game content now. There are a lot more names that is worse then just SEX.
    Bring back my point that SEX has more then one meaning...
  • krittycat
    krittycat Posts: 4,187 Community Moderator
    edited May 2011
    Im trying to speak to a senior rep. I dont want another mod. I want a senior rep. The least PWI can do is give me 12.1m so i can remake my a level three faction but they wont even do that.

    In case you didn't realize it, frankie is the Community Manager, not "another mod". He works for the company, at the offices, and is probably your best chance for an official answer.
  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    KrittyCat wrote: »
    In case you didn't realize it, frankie is the Community Manager, not "another mod". He works for the company, at the offices, and is probably your best chance for an official answer.

    Cat is this Frankie Manager someone that also answers tickets? If so, than he is not someone i would like to speak to. On the ticket, the person said that the ticket has been viewed by a senior rep. So i would like to speak with a senior rep.
  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Cat is this Frankie Manager someone that also answers tickets? If so, than he is not someone i would like to speak to. On the ticket, the person said that the ticket has been viewed by a senior rep. So i would like to speak with a senior rep.

    Frankie is a community manager - you couldn't get more 'senior' than him over the forums. GMs (game masters) are the ones who usually reply to the tickets, or the staff in charge of the specific ticket categories. If you'd like to speak to them, send a ticket here: http://support.perfectworld.com/
  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Frankie is a community manager - you couldn't get more 'senior' than him over the forums. GMs (game masters) are the ones who usually reply to the tickets, or the staff in charge of the specific ticket categories. If you'd like to speak to them, send a ticket here: http://support.perfectworld.com/

    Yeah i know i submitted a ticket and a GM said they spoke to a senior rep (must have been a lie) but i guess Frankie will have to do. If he does talk i would like to talk in a chat which will allow this process to happen faster and more private.
  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I wouldn't hold my breath for a 1 on 1 chat with Frankie since his title isn't dealing with these type of in-game issues. I'll ask him to have a look and maybe he'll reply - but again, your best chance is discussing this though the ticketing system with a representative of PWE. If that had already happened and you are still requested to disban, I'm not sure what else can be done in the meantime.
  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I wouldn't hold my breath for a 1 on 1 chat with Frankie since his title isn't dealing with these type of in-game issues. I'll ask him to have a look and maybe he'll reply - but again, your best chance is discussing this though the ticketing system with a representative of PWE. If that had already happened and you are still requested to disban, I'm not sure what else can be done in the meantime.

    Requesting to speak to a senior rep like the GM has said has happened. If GMs are starting to lie to there players this also might start a bad rep to PWI.
  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I personally don't understand what's so offensive about that faction name...
    It isn't a censored word in game, it's not an offensive word in a different language... and by all means... it's not really a taboo anymore either...

    I'm not really seeing any reason to disband the faction....
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  • Demien - Dreamweaver
    Demien - Dreamweaver Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I personally don't understand what's so offensive about that faction name...
    It isn't a censored word in game, it's not an offensive word in a different language... and by all means... it's not really a taboo anymore either...

    I'm not really seeing any reason to disband the faction....

    Thank you! <3
  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    stalker69 (b:puzzled),


    While your faction may have good intentions, it still remains that PWI is played by people of all ages, as well as their families in many cases. While they can't stop everything (world chat comes to mind) the GM's are just doing what they can to keep things as family friendly as possible.

    About the other factions you believed to be offensive, you can definitely report them, but as for your own faction's situation, any further action would have to be taken via the ticket system, not the forums.
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