Barrier Thorns, Are they any good?

I take it you're referring to Nirvana daggers and yes they are worth it, with current prices they cost about 150-180m and are good if you have no intention of saving up for R9 anytime soon.
Be sure to have R8 top before getting nirvana daggers because R8 daggers are great dph and dps and they only cost 2m once you have the 200k rep, so they serve as great temporary daggers if you're not ready to get barrier thorns.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your best option would be to save up for rank8 on any of the next sales. It will give you great chest part, good daggers and ok leggings for cheap.

Indeed, for the cost, Rank 8 dagger is the best deal you're going to get.

Ultimate daggers would be either r9 or g15 vana. Personally I don't really see the big deal of g13 daggers. From my experience, r8 and g13 vana aren't much damage difference for the 100mil coins. And r8 has the plate and leggings on top of it. G13 vana does have an adventage cause of higher aps figure though.

I can see a few reasons:
1. It's easier to get 5 aps as you won't need a tome for it.
2. It's actually a rather cheap piece of -interval, since it costs less than a tome and has -0.1 and not -0.05 interval.

For most people, I'd guess they just get Barrier Thorn: Nirvana because it's a "cheap" interval piece and then they stop caring because they reach 5 aps. Or they've already refined their Barrier Thorn: Nirvana to a high amount, such as +10-12 and cannot be bothered to wait for a Chienkun sale to transfer it over to a Dark Death Thorn. After all, transfering a Garnet Gem and +10 comes to 266 Chienkuns, which adds a hefty price to the Dark Death Thorn.

If you don't know what to go for yet, I'd suggest to aim for r8 first. You will want that chest part. Then see if you go after r9 or g15 vana. Making g13 vana when going for r9 is kind of a waste imo, since you can't sell them.

Well of course, if your end goal is R9, getting anything between R8 and R9 is silly.

Personally, I might end up going for Barrier Thorn: Nirvana after getting R8.

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

I was talking about the TT99 ones with range, I personally don't know what to aim for.b:surrender

Most only use those to make the "Barrier Thorn : nirvana." If you only going to make them to use those, stick with Hook & Thorn until you can afford/farm the raptures, or go for Rank 8 daggers.

R8 is wayyy better then Guttbreaker.

What to aim for : Try to get Rank 8 (200K rep) , get the daggers, use until you can make the Nirvana daggers to go for more APS OR go for rank 9.

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

How would I get R8 without spending money?b:shocked

Merchanting.

CritCat - Archosaur wrote: »

Cat Shop Merchanting?

Well yes.

You'd definitely want to aim for the first cast Nirvana Barrier Thorns over the TT99 Gutbreaker version.

Though if you haven't much money, Rank 8 should be the first priority over vana daggers.

My main daggers I use is the first cast nirvy dags. +10 with 2 g11 garnets. But after hearing about how great GoF or SS are, I am very tempted to save up for the g15 2nd cast daggers with some hopefully great adds. That or rank 9, if medals come back before I get/afford 150 raptures.

RioNHale - Archosaur wrote: »

AuroraTear uses 2nd cast G15 tt nirvana daggers with 2 -0.05 int and sac strike rofl.

G15 nirv with ss 5aps > g16 r9 gof 4aps?

There's a million reasons why that's never true.
1. R9 has 30 Attack Levels, which alone already covered the APS difference.
2. R9 has a higher grade so it has a higher DPH as well
3. R9 ring is much, much better than any alternative you could have

And since you cannot get both GoF/SS and the +20 Attack Levels on the nirvana dagger, it'll never be even close in terms of DPS.

Also most people dont realise but g13 nirvana daggers at +11/+12 refine like g15, ive used +12 barrier thorns and they are pretty great, especially the consistant 4aps unsparked.

so g14 +12 r8 daggers get pwnd by +12 g13 nirvana.

Um, it's pretty much blatantly obvious that Barrier Thorn: Nirvana is better than Ocean Supreme Dagger. But the true question is whether that is worth the cost? Is the increase in damage really worth the 150,000,000+ coins you'll have to pay for it?

Of course, as I already explained, if you're looking for the cheapest -intervals, they would be:
1. TT99 Wrists + Boots (~41m for -0.15)
2. Rank 8 (~72m for -0.1)
3. TT99 Ornaments (~47m for -0.05)
4. Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade (~50m for -0.05)
5. Barrier Thorn: Nirvana (~170-200m for -0.1)
6. Shadow Ashura Greaves (~150m for -0.05)
7. Pan Gu, Creator (~240m for -0.05)

Of course, that's not really all there is to it. For example:
1. Someone might not consider R8 as -0.1 because of R6 or R4 armor being -0.05
2. Someone might prioritize Pan Gu, Creator over Nirvana because you don't need refines or shards for it
3. Someone might be using Energetic Robe: Wraithgate or might farm the Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade via Trophy Mode so the price would be a lot lower
4. Someone might prioritize TT99 over Rank 8 and Nirvana due to level requirement being lower

Though, it seems that the basic kit for any level 100 Assassin is TT99 ornaments, TT99 wrists and boots and Rank 8.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's a million reasons why that's never true.
1. R9 has 30 Attack Levels, which alone already covered the APS difference.
2. R9 has a higher grade so it has a higher DPH as well
3. R9 ring is much, much better than any alternative you could have

And since you cannot get both GoF/SS and the +20 Attack Levels on the nirvana dagger, it'll never be even close in terms of DPS.



Um, it's pretty much blatantly obvious that Barrier Thorn: Nirvana is better than Ocean Supreme Dagger. But the true question is whether that is worth the cost? Is the increase in damage really worth the 150,000,000+ coins you'll have to pay for it?

Of course, as I already explained, if you're looking for the cheapest -intervals, they would be:
1. TT99 Wrists + Boots (~41m for -0.15)
2. Rank 8 (~72m for -0.1)
3. TT99 Ornaments (~47m for -0.05)
4. Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade (~50m for -0.05)
5. Barrier Thorn: Nirvana (~170-200m for -0.1)
6. Shadow Ashura Greaves (~150m for -0.05)
7. Pan Gu, Creator (~240m for -0.05)

Of course, that's not really all there is to it. For example:
1. Someone might not consider R8 as -0.1 because of R6 or R4 armor being -0.05
2. Someone might prioritize Pan Gu, Creator over Nirvana because you don't need refines or shards for it
3. Someone might be using Energetic Robe: Wraithgate or might farm the Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade via Trophy Mode so the price would be a lot lower
4. Someone might prioritize TT99 over Rank 8 and Nirvana due to level requirement being lower

Though, it seems that the basic kit for any level 100 Assassin is TT99 ornaments, TT99 wrists and boots and Rank 8.

Lost City price 600mil+

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sanctuary Price, 320M, give or take 50m either way.

Um, that's for Love: Up and Down, the one you get from Scroll of Tome.

Pan Gu, Creator, which you make from 3 Scripts of Fate, won't go for more than 270,000,000.