An experimental build

Myujishan - Raging Tide
Myujishan - Raging Tide Posts: 47 Arc User
edited May 2011 in Psychic
I don't want to post the build right now, but this entire time I've been using the psychic, it's been an experiment with the skill set and what the psychic is capable of. I won't be posting my stats or gear for 2 reasons. One being I need to upgrade my gear, second being that people always laugh at the build. However on the other side, people who see me in action are rather surprised

I want to compare it silently so I can perfect my build. I am not aiming for any uber pro awesomeness, just a unique one on the server that can do different things. If it doesn't work out, I'll buy some resets, however I want to compare it to how it is doing in comparison to others.

I'll state the basics. I have slightly more than minimal str on my psy, a shocking amount of vit for my class, and still a solid and majority magic base, and I haven't put a single stat on dex. I really don't want to hear anyone tell me about "Vit being useless on a psy" If you say that, I can promise now, I won't read it because all I really want to do is inform you of my situation, and ask questions. I am 100% aware of my build potentially being hardcore fail when I hit 80+, that's why I'm asking these questions, I want a better grasp on how I am doing by comparison...






So here are the questions I want others to answer, please answer them as if you were in my level range:

How much was your average DD output with the two basic spells to mobs your level? (Aqua Impact and Spirit Blast)

How well did you work in a group?

Did you ever take much aggro? If so, against what classes?

How well was your survivability?

What instances could you solo?

How well did you hold your own on physical mobs in Black Voodoo and no psychic will?

Thanks in advance for your answers, and remember I will not read or reply to anyone who claims that I am fail or that I am doing it wrong, I'm aware of what I am doing and how potentially stupid it is, but I just felt like experimenting. Bare with me here.
I am a proud member of the glorious tideborn master race.
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  • pyroatheist
    pyroatheist Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I have a 72, full mag psychic right now

    Both my spam skills are level 10, and the aqua and earth spirit masteries are level 6-7 I believe. Assuming the mob I'm fighting has no special weaknesses/resistances to earth and water, using black voodoo, and no jones blessing, i usually do around 5.8-6.2k with each of the skills.

    In a group, I'm simply a massive conduit for DD and aoe crowd control (earth vector followed by hiding in psychic will) in sticky situations. Occasionally a tank will want soul of vengeance or silence, and in that case, silence tends to go off pretty frequently with 8500 soulforce. Bubble of life is a nice supplemental heal, but not good enough for anything serious by itself.

    I have stolen aggro from every single class in every single situation. I don't doublespark burst on bosses anymore, preferring to use red tide for the bleed chance, because doublespark pulled aggro 100% of the time while using jones blessing, and about 70% of the time without jones blessing, even with higher level barbs as the tank.

    survivability vs magic mobs is very good, black voodoo is usually possible, though white voodoo makes it easy. Against physical mobs, black voodoo gets me killed. Fast. White voodoo makes it possible for you to tank the mobs, provided you have a good cleric. However, with a barb paying attention, and a quick finger on psychic will, you can survive pretty much anything.

    You cant solo a whole ton...mainly you are lacking in healing ability. Bubble of life lasts 15 seconds with a 30 second cooldown, and thats not good enough for most instances. However, accompanied by a good cleric, you can duo pretty much anything you put your mind to, as long as you don't have a bad pull or something.

    Physical mobs + black voodoo without psychic will gets me killed very very fast, usually 1-3 hits. I have nearly 0 physical defense, (491 atm) with all the shards I have socketed are for hp, bringing me to about 2500 hp.

    As far as the basic concept of your build goes, it sounds very feasible especially for pvm, and when things go wrong in an instance or w/e. Where it might fall flat is the lost damage at higher level pvp, because having a lot more vit still probably wont allow you to survive a sin or bm hammering on you without psychic will, especially if you are in black voodoo.
  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Sounds like you're going for something similar to this:
    http://pwcalc.com/e409153ce45dd1ff

    Lvl: 75

    Dmg with Aqua and Spirit: 10k [on FB59 mobs with Black Voodoo & Jone's Blessing], 7k without Jone's Blessing

    Group benefits: Back-up AOE heals, Vigor, Soulburn

    Aggro: Yes, if I spark or constantly DD. I space my attacks apart or have White Voodoo to prevent this.

    Survivability: Good against Magic, **** against Physical

    Solo Instances: None so far, haven't tried.
  • Myujishan - Raging Tide
    Myujishan - Raging Tide Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I_Snipe - Lost City wrote: »
    Sounds like you're going for something similar to this:
    http://pwcalc.com/e409153ce45dd1ff

    Lvl: 75

    Dmg with Aqua and Spirit: 10k [on FB59 mobs with Black Voodoo & Jone's Blessing], 7k without Jone's Blessing

    Group benefits: Back-up AOE heals, Vigor, Soulburn

    Aggro: Yes, if I spark or constantly DD. I space my attacks apart or have White Voodoo to prevent this.

    Survivability: Good against Magic, **** against Physical

    Solo Instances: None so far, haven't tried.

    That's close, and you're right, very similar, but not what I am aiming for When I hit 80 or 90 I'll share all of the info if it works.
    I am a proud member of the glorious tideborn master race.
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  • Lurani - Raging Tide
    Lurani - Raging Tide Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Hmm you are on my server i might have to stalk around and look at your build. b:surrender Jk.


    How much was your average DD output with the two basic spells to mobs your level? Honestly i don't remember... Atm at lvl 80 i do about 8k-9k on mobs my lvl or 10k. Crit at around 15k - 17k. And hm, double spark hits at most are around 35k.

    How well did you work in a group? Pretty well, tank in bh59's, at times end up tanking things in TT's i have a friend who tanks FC bosses when barb goes down. In his 80's. If a cleric went down i always came up as the back up healer with BoL/Vigor. Keeping tank and main DD's alive to my best ability. And at most i'm usually the main DD.

    Did you ever take much aggro? If so, against what classes? I steal aggro ALL the time...it's ridiculous lol. Unless i nerf myself. I stole aggro from tanks 10 lvls above. b:sweat Stole aggro from sins/bms/anything and everything. Unless i go to white voodoo then i hardly ever pull aggro. On black voodoo how ever....one crit and aggro is jacked.

    How well was your survivability? Well...good against magical mobs, pretty darned bad against physical ones. Since of the low pdef. Tho if i vigor and BoL every time it comes off cool down i do fairly well most times with out ever having to pot or crab.

    What instances could you solo? Uhh i never really bothered soloing instances around 70's...tho i was able to solo bh29. Now i can solo bh39 and probably bh51 but i haven't bothered to try yet. Since no one in my faction has yet to need it/ needed help with it. I could tho take down bosses in bh59 with a clerics help.

    How well did you hold your own on physical mobs in Black Voodoo and no psychic will? Well for me on physical mobs it's get in kill fast and gtfo. And if there is more then one then aoe them all then holy path a bit away and BoL. Kinda all about killing them fast so less time spent regaining hp later. b:surrender


    And yeah, i'm a fully pure magic build.
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    This is all difficult to judge unless you know the person's gear as well as build. Build is only like 20% of the puzzle.
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  • Myujishan - Raging Tide
    Myujishan - Raging Tide Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is all difficult to judge unless you know the person's gear as well as build. Build is only like 20% of the puzzle.

    If you're referring to my gear, I stand by not showing it yet because it has to be upgraded, my gear is way out of date. I'll share my exact build as soon as my gear is set, but right now, I'm still wearing level 52 leggings. b:surrender So expect to see this build when I get my TT70 gear or if any molds happen to be better, get those.
    I am a proud member of the glorious tideborn master race.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    b:chuckle Not just your gear, but the people whose experience you're asking as well. A full TT70 sharded and refined psy will have an easier time than one still in level 60 rank gear or lower. Maybe you should add a question about how their gear looked?
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  • Fishlips - Harshlands
    Fishlips - Harshlands Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    lower lvl sin kill me to EZ why. str63/mag412/vit119/dex28/ was thinking about take 100 off mag and put to str but dont know i do good damage but cant kill sin if you cant see them untell you stun and its all over.dead meat .ps. its all geen add too i do mag atk at 8548/12058
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fishlips - Harshlands wrote: »
    lower lvl sin kill me to EZ why. str63/mag412/vit119/dex28/ was thinking about take 100 off mag and put to str but dont know i do good damage but cant kill sin if you cant see them untell you stun and its all over.dead meat

    i can't tell if this is a troll or not. i sincerely hope so though.
  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fishlips - Harshlands wrote: »
    lower lvl sin kill me to EZ why. str63/mag412/vit119/dex28/ was thinking about take 100 off mag and put to str but dont know i do good damage but cant kill sin if you cant see them untell you stun and its all over.dead meat .ps. its all geen add too i do mag atk at 8548/12058

    ...........that has to be one of the worst psy builds iv seen yet....i mean i got 50 extra str but at least its to war a +10 warsong of earth.... and if u survive long enough for sin to stun u, pop a domain or expel lol..... and wtf u talkin aobut takin an additonal 100 points from mag to put in str? wtf is that gonna accomplsih???


    @MageFizban, dont think he teollin, he made another fail comment sayin black voodoo was worthless in another psy subforum.


    @op, cant really rember those levels to well, i know that at 8x i was able to do every pull and tank every boss in frost thoguh, but i was la at that time (switched AA at 9x and could still do it)
    full 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D
  • Lurani - Raging Tide
    Lurani - Raging Tide Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fishlips - Harshlands wrote: »
    lower lvl sin kill me to EZ why. str63/mag412/vit119/dex28/ was thinking about take 100 off mag and put to str but dont know i do good damage but cant kill sin if you cant see them untell you stun and its all over.dead meat .ps. its all geen add too i do mag atk at 8548/12058


    You have got to be kidding me. b:surprised
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  • Fishlips - Harshlands
    Fishlips - Harshlands Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i just think we need to go longer when sin's atk us it dont help if you us black voodoo. that put you at a big - on defense i take longer to kill things yes but can take more of a hit . we PSYCHIN we need better stealth detection dont you think. there lots more sin pvp then other class. so why we cant see at lest 5 to 10 lvl lower sin.and was asking if i put more to str to beef up my Physical def. if it wood help make it pass the sin stun. as is i dont . i dont care if it takes long to kill just like to take the phy hits more to give time to go from black voodoo to white. for phy atk.its ok if you down me i can take that . so down me away.
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Psy, like other arcane users, gain 3 pdef per 10 strength points. It's entirely an inefficient way to gain pdef to deal with sins.
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  • Lurani - Raging Tide
    Lurani - Raging Tide Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fishlips - Harshlands wrote: »
    i just think we need to go longer when sin's atk us it dont help if you us black voodoo. that put you at a big - on defense i take longer to kill things yes but can take more of a hit . we PSYCHIN we need better stealth detection dont you think. there lots more sin pvp then other class. so why we cant see at lest 5 to 10 lvl lower sin.and was asking if i put more to str to beef up my Physical def. if it wood help make it pass the sin stun. as is i dont . i dont care if it takes long to kill just like to take the phy hits more to give time to go from black voodoo to white. for phy atk.its ok if you down me i can take that . so down me away.

    Okay so i face desked at that anyone else?
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    OK.
    This is in no way near my build but I tried to make the cheapest way to address his problem. Of course, gear can do nothing if you don't know what you're doing with it b:bye

    http://pwcalc.com./aa97e44dda1fb2b3
    As much pdef and HP that I could eek out of a moderate tank psy build on the cheap. Feel free to update/correct if you have better idea.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Myujishan - Raging Tide
    Myujishan - Raging Tide Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    OK.
    This is in no way near my build but I tried to make the cheapest way to address his problem. Of course, gear can do nothing if you don't know what you're doing with it b:bye

    http://pwcalc.com./aa97e44dda1fb2b3
    As much pdef and HP that I could eek out of a moderate tank psy build on the cheap. Feel free to update/correct if you have better idea.

    This build is shockingly close to the build I was aiming for. So far, it absolutely sucks in PvP but kicks all sorts of *** in PvE, so it's good for people wanting to do great in PvP, but on PvP servers or in PK, I don't advise it...Which also makes it bad for TW.

    My entire build will be posted in this thread when I can be arsed to get on PW and the forums at the same time
    I am a proud member of the glorious tideborn master race.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Cathyz - Dreamweaver
    Cathyz - Dreamweaver Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Myujishan - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I don't want to post the build right now, but this entire time I've been using the psychic, it's been an experiment with the skill set and what the psychic is capable of. I won't be posting my stats or gear for 2 reasons. One being I need to upgrade my gear, second being that people always laugh at the build. However on the other side, people who see me in action are rather surprised

    I want to compare it silently so I can perfect my build. I am not aiming for any uber pro awesomeness, just a unique one on the server that can do different things. If it doesn't work out, I'll buy some resets, however I want to compare it to how it is doing in comparison to others.

    I'll state the basics. I have slightly more than minimal str on my psy, a shocking amount of vit for my class, and still a solid and majority magic base, and I haven't put a single stat on dex. I really don't want to hear anyone tell me about "Vit being useless on a psy" If you say that, I can promise now, I won't read it because all I really want to do is inform you of my situation, and ask questions. I am 100% aware of my build potentially being hardcore fail when I hit 80+, that's why I'm asking these questions, I want a better grasp on how I am doing by comparison...






    So here are the questions I want others to answer, please answer them as if you were in my level range:

    How much was your average DD output with the two basic spells to mobs your level? (Aqua Impact and Spirit Blast)

    How well did you work in a group?

    Did you ever take much aggro? If so, against what classes?

    How well was your survivability?

    What instances could you solo?

    How well did you hold your own on physical mobs in Black Voodoo and no psychic will?

    Thanks in advance for your answers, and remember I will not read or reply to anyone who claims that I am fail or that I am doing it wrong, I'm aware of what I am doing and how potentially stupid it is, but I just felt like experimenting. Bare with me here.


    My average DD output is about 4700-4980 (just tested) crit is just 8k >
    In group i are in back and hit from there and do spells etc stuff and in levels 40-50 i dyed alot... but in lvl 55 it started change now i die only in once in day or not even once mostly my dying happens in dungeons and because i dont focus my playing sometimes XD
    I didnt try solo any instances yet

    And this level 56 char is my alt then just let you know :D
  • lizrau
    lizrau Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    1str 9mag every level FTW!



    /+1tomyposts
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    Sig credits to Myra :D
  • winrocks
    winrocks Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    OK.
    This is in no way near my build but I tried to make the cheapest way to address his problem. Of course, gear can do nothing if you don't know what you're doing with it b:bye

    http://pwcalc.com./aa97e44dda1fb2b3
    As much pdef and HP that I could eek out of a moderate tank psy build on the cheap. Feel free to update/correct if you have better idea.

    http://pwcalc.com/433508f5d2d7b213
    pliss kill this monster b:surrenderb:surrenderb:surrender

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