Feedback on 79 skill - Last Stand.
Procc - Lost City
Posts: 3 Arc User
To be fair, I'm utterly dissappointed with this skill, it is - to say the least, useless...
1)The skill can only be cast 40 percent health or below - which in a duel, or pvp - is too late. With the amount of stuns the other classes have, you're dead before the 1.0 second channeling time, and 9/10 times can't cast it anyway..
Solution:- Make the skill castable through stuns.. For the price in mana (all of it..) and the short duration of it's positive effect, it should be castable through everything; silence the only pheasible exception..
2)The skill costs all of your mana, and seems as currently, the only way to genuinely take advantage of it, is in a duel, and charms don't tick - if you do manage to get the skill off (which is like.. never) you've got no mana anyway and thus' just preventing the inevitable.
Solution:- Perhaps lower the mana cost or make the spell insta-cast, so it is a truly genuine -last- stand-...
I'm dreading acquiring the new skill to be honest, because Seekers to me, at level 97 lack DPS except with the easily avoidable Yataghan, which is too often interupted & to go the tank route, you end up as a failure barbarian, because your elemental resists end up ****, with barely passable physical defense.. I doubt the developers ever look at these posts, as they're too busy counting all the money they get as people pay to win, but I figured I'd leave my most definate NEGATIVE feedback about this non-unique, generic new class.
1)The skill can only be cast 40 percent health or below - which in a duel, or pvp - is too late. With the amount of stuns the other classes have, you're dead before the 1.0 second channeling time, and 9/10 times can't cast it anyway..
Solution:- Make the skill castable through stuns.. For the price in mana (all of it..) and the short duration of it's positive effect, it should be castable through everything; silence the only pheasible exception..
2)The skill costs all of your mana, and seems as currently, the only way to genuinely take advantage of it, is in a duel, and charms don't tick - if you do manage to get the skill off (which is like.. never) you've got no mana anyway and thus' just preventing the inevitable.
Solution:- Perhaps lower the mana cost or make the spell insta-cast, so it is a truly genuine -last- stand-...
I'm dreading acquiring the new skill to be honest, because Seekers to me, at level 97 lack DPS except with the easily avoidable Yataghan, which is too often interupted & to go the tank route, you end up as a failure barbarian, because your elemental resists end up ****, with barely passable physical defense.. I doubt the developers ever look at these posts, as they're too busy counting all the money they get as people pay to win, but I figured I'd leave my most definate NEGATIVE feedback about this non-unique, generic new class.
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Procc - Lost City wrote: »I'm dreading acquiring the new skill to be honest, because Seekers to me, at level 97 lack DPS except with the easily avoidable Yataghan, which is too often interupted & to go the tank route, you end up as a failure barbarian, because your elemental resists end up ****, with barely passable physical defense.. I doubt the developers ever look at these posts, as they're too busy counting all the money they get as people pay to win, but I figured I'd leave my most definate (definite?) NEGATIVE feedback about this non-unique, generic new class.
I can't say much about the rest of your post, but I will disagree with this last bit. b:chuckle I took my friend's seeker to RB for my culti. I like having him in bubble with me with that tornado skill. He loves that skill too, so win-win. (However he reminds me so much of a helicopter when he uses that skill.) I still can't say much since mine is only like L28 and everything still kills me if I lag.0 -
Thanks for the correction to my spelling, you condescending sod. :P
I do like the Seeker, and I agree that Yataghan Vortex is an amazing PVE skill, but it's so effortlessly avoided with the anti-stun/snare pots you can make that in pvp (which is why I started this game in the first place) I'm a bit of a non factor.
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Letting Last Stand be cast through stun would completely defeat the purpose of stuns wouldn't it? also, do not forget the Seekers have like 33 defense levels... They are extremely hard to kill with barb buff they are like Barbs in Tiger mode, but they do more damage. Furthermore, Seekers get magic moves which are OP against BMs and lastly seekers get anti stun skill now so stop QQing. We should be the one QQing. Endgame, seekers have their pve debuffs so they can get into nirvana squads. Dont' forget the 40% hp skill is pretty op, it takes 1.0 second to cast and if ur that pissed about 1.0 second u can use ur 80% chan reduction skill -.-. Also u get immune stun freeze for 6 full seconds. Thats very OP. As for the mana cost use a mana pot.
this skill is mostly for PVE and Duelling but it still makes it an extremely effective skill.0 -
Ive liked the skill in moments that it lives up to its name... Several times in TW ive ran into a GROUP of people, to set up vortex on them, and have several attacks from all direction, with genie, crabs, and charm, all on CD, this has saved my butt, to live another round of charm, and crabs atleast.0
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IkerCasillas - Raging Tide wrote: »Letting Last Stand be cast through stun would completely defeat the purpose of stuns wouldn't it? also, do not forget the Seekers have like 33 defense levels... They are extremely hard to kill with barb buff they are like Barbs in Tiger mode, but they do more damage. Furthermore, Seekers get magic moves which are OP against BMs and lastly seekers get anti stun skill now so stop QQing. We should be the one QQing. Endgame, seekers have their pve debuffs so they can get into nirvana squads. Dont' forget the 40% hp skill is pretty op, it takes 1.0 second to cast and if ur that pissed about 1.0 second u can use ur 80% chan reduction skill -.-. Also u get immune stun freeze for 6 full seconds. Thats very OP. As for the mana cost use a mana pot.
this skill is mostly for PVE and Duelling but it still makes it an extremely effective skill.
Seeker will be accepted in nirvana squads?b:shocked.
Kewl xD and here i was about to ignore it if i get to 100
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Yuniryu - Raging Tide wrote: »Seeker will be accepted in nirvana squads?b:shocked.
Kewl xD and here i was about to ignore it if i get to 100.
I think one of the advantages of having a seeker in nirvana is their fairly frequent -20 def lvl debuff. I can't tell you how much I hate the nirvana bosses that I can't hf on my BM b:cry. Auto attack sparking is soooo boring and I want to use GS, but my usual barb upkeeps devour so well b:chuckle.0 -
IkerCasillas - Raging Tide wrote: »Letting Last Stand be cast through stun would completely defeat the purpose of stuns wouldn't it? also, do not forget the Seekers have like 33 defense levels... They are extremely hard to kill with barb buff they are like Barbs in Tiger mode, but they do more damage. Furthermore, Seekers get magic moves which are OP against BMs and lastly seekers get anti stun skill now so stop QQing. We should be the one QQing. Endgame, seekers have their pve debuffs so they can get into nirvana squads. Dont' forget the 40% hp skill is pretty op, it takes 1.0 second to cast and if ur that pissed about 1.0 second u can use ur 80% chan reduction skill -.-. Also u get immune stun freeze for 6 full seconds. Thats very OP. As for the mana cost use a mana pot.
this skill is mostly for PVE and Duelling but it still makes it an extremely effective skill.
The only time Seekers get anti-stun as a skill is with Last Stand, which is great.. But it can only be cast when you're 40 percent HP or below, making the immunities useless, because a) it's near impossible to cast when you're locked down. b) It uses up all your mana so you can't fight on efficiently afterwards & c) 180 second cooldown on a skill with such heavy costs makes it not worth using at all.0 -
Yes I do agree with all the comments u put up there about the last stand..
i have been pking since lvl 90 and i gotta say it has saved my butt a lot of times at pk, more than you can imagine....when bms stun lock us of occult ice, i just expel and immobalize them n go range DD on em...if its a mage class i m fighting, n i m bt to die, i use the last stand and crab meat..
wat i m saying is although it is not useful against the stun locking classes, it comes in handy when u fight someone other than bms or sins..just my 2 cents0 -
Procc - Lost City wrote: »1)The skill can only be cast 40 percent health or below - which in a duel, or pvp - is too late. With the amount of stuns the other classes have, you're dead before the 1.0 second channeling time, and 9/10 times can't cast it anyway..
Solution:- Make the skill castable through stuns.. For the price in mana (all of it..) and the short duration of it's positive effect, it should be castable through everything; silence the only pheasible exception..
i dont like when ppl use this argument. if ur stunned or incapable of useing the skill at all then chances r u werent going to win the fight in the first place.
even though not many ppl think so the skill is pretty op. its a purify/anti-stun/heal all in one. if they didnt put some form of gimp on it it really would be to op for the game. so no offense but quite complaining ijs.
and if ur complaining that theres no need for it cuz ur charmed and its a waste. **** ur charmed what do u care. stop complaining cuz u have money0 -
IkerCasillas - Raging Tide wrote: »Dont' forget the 40% hp skill is pretty op, it takes 1.0 second to cast and if ur that pissed about 1.0 second u can use ur 80% chan reduction skill -.-. Also u get immune stun freeze for 6 full seconds. Thats very OP. As for the mana cost use a mana pot.
this skill is mostly for PVE and Duelling but it still makes it an extremely effective skill.
this is coming from a class who gets 1600 + 20% hp on a heal (70% if sage), 15 seconds of natural anti negative status, and can cast both of them for less than 50% of their mana pool.0 -
last stand = read the name.
It would be called First stand if it were meant to be anything else.
Yea LuM - We own RT!0 -
Easy idea to make this skill actually useful.
Make it work like a buff. Here is how it should've worked imo.
You cast it on yourself, then, when your hp hits 40%, it triggers up and restore your hp and grants you imunity to stuns, movement debuffs, etc. (of corse, you'll have to recast it after the
skill triggers and cooldown and mp cost would be the same).
See? Not a hard thing to do. Too bad that devs are just too stupid and only care about money and packs...Retired...
Reasons? Packs, rank gear, picky greedy players, the list goes on b:bye0 -
Eraldus - Sanctuary wrote: »Easy idea to make this skill actually useful.
Make it work like a buff. Here is how it should've worked imo.
You cast it on yourself, then, when your hp hits 40%, it triggers up and restore your hp and grants you imunity to stuns, movement debuffs, etc. (of corse, you'll have to recast it after the
skill triggers and cooldown and mp cost would be the same).
See? Not a hard thing to do. Too bad that devs are just too stupid and only care about money and packs...
However much I agree with that.. imagin the amount of QQ'ing that would happen if that were the case! 'OMG QQ they're too much like sins' <.< Serioustly, I've suggested this before and people have said bull like that xD.
But yes, a buff that triggers at 40%, and perhaps consumes 40% of your mana to do so?
. A 2 second stun e.c.t immuntiy would be pretty sweet too, and yeah, it's an OP skill, but lets see who has more OP skills... Seeker or sin? :P
If these things were designed to 'balance PvP' Then why not?
Haters gunna love this ^
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supertroyman1 wrote: »i dont like when ppl use this argument. if ur stunned or incapable of useing the skill at all then chances r u werent going to win the fight in the first place.
even though not many ppl think so the skill is pretty op. its a purify/anti-stun/heal all in one. if they didnt put some form of gimp on it it really would be to op for the game. so no offense but quite complaining ijs.
and if ur complaining that theres no need for it cuz ur charmed and its a waste. **** ur charmed what do u care. stop complaining cuz u have money
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Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »gtfofailtroll
lol hay braineak that wasnt even a troll comment im totally seroius about it. if u think that im wrong thats ur opinion but then again i dont really care0 -
supertroyman1 wrote: »lol hay braineak that wasnt even a troll comment im totally seroius about it. if u think that im wrong thats ur opinion but then again i dont really care
hay is for horses mmk?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0 -
supertroyman1 wrote: »lol hay braineak that wasnt even a troll comment im totally seroius about it. if u think that im wrong thats ur opinion but then again i dont really care
^^^^^^^^^^
Shows how little you know about Seeker. Last Stand can barely be of any use at duels or even in pve, granted the way you need to make it trigger at the moment, and your argument about money was pretty stupid.Retired...
Reasons? Packs, rank gear, picky greedy players, the list goes on b:bye0 -
this thread is about how useless this 79 skill is, not comparing class vs class, so gtfo with ur comparisons.
it is useless enough to wait for 40% hp to use it, what makes it utterly useless is the fact it takes so long to chan/cast and to top it up it eats ur whole mana bar. WOW... now thats the fail last stand.
solution: make it instant cast [ like unfetter or blade iffinity] & < 50% hp
if ur gona bother makin a skill that ***** useless dont bother, just give 1 79 skill.0 -
QuakeX - Lost City wrote: »this thread is about how useless this 79 skill is, not comparing class vs class, so gtfo with ur comparisons.
it is useless enough to wait for 40% hp to use it, what makes it utterly useless is the fact it takes so long to chan/cast and to top it up it eats ur whole mana bar. WOW... now thats the fail last stand.
solution: make it instant cast [ like unfetter or blade iffinity] & < 50% hp
if ur gona bother makin a skill that ***** useless dont bother, just give 1 79 skill.
The real solution is to change the skill name to "Troll Survival Attempt".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0 -
LOL this skill FAILS bad. All HA and LA classes have a Anti-Stun skill that u can Cast without any Special requirements. You prolly will never have time to Cast that skill...well asuming that ur like me and usually have 2-5 people on you and atleast 2 are sins. The skill either needs to be change to "Gives 10-15 secs of stun/inmobolize/freeze immunity" forget the HP recovery. But with that Said u can just carry around vacuity pots b:pleased0
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ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »The real solution is to change the skill name to "Troll Survival Attempt".
i lold at this
and what do u mean comment about money was stupid? if u have money to not need the heal then theres no use trolling about it on forums0 -
supertroyman1 wrote: »i lold at this
and what do u mean comment about money was stupid? if u have money to not need the heal then theres no use trolling about it on forums
lol, I guess this issue is too much for you to understand...
Fact, Last Stand sucks, it is the worst healing skill ever and it is awfully useless. I'd survive easier with npc pots over that piece of ****.Retired...
Reasons? Packs, rank gear, picky greedy players, the list goes on b:bye0 -
Eraldus - Sanctuary wrote: »lol, I guess this issue is too much for you to understand...
Fact, Last Stand sucks, it is the worst healing skill ever and it is awfully useless. I'd survive easier with npc pots over that piece of ****.
Yeah and its cooldown is stupid.
I can spam like 4 tree of protections and it heals most of my health if not all.
I am not sure whats more uselss the party buffs or that skillbb:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle.
Well its Last stand, its certainly Last and bottom of the pile like dog mess.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Definately squad buff is more useless.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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hey i got an idea that u can all shut up about
if u dont like the skill dont get it. ijs0 -
supertroyman1 wrote: »hey i got an idea that u can all shut up about
if u dont like the skill dont get it. ijs
Troll moar, plox.Retired...
Reasons? Packs, rank gear, picky greedy players, the list goes on b:bye0 -
Liba - Heavens Tear wrote: »
However much I agree with that.. imagin the amount of QQ'ing that would happen if that were the case! 'OMG QQ they're too much like sins' <.< Serioustly, I've suggested this before and people have said bull like that xD.
But yes, a buff that triggers at 40%, and perhaps consumes 40% of your mana to do so?. A 2 second stun e.c.t immuntiy would be pretty sweet too, and yeah, it's an OP skill, but lets see who has more OP skills... Seeker or sin? :P
If these things were designed to 'balance PvP' Then why not?
yess!!! i agree!! with this one but make it force/automatically us a pot and if u dont have an mp pot u wont recover mp and make the stun immun time longer b:infuriatedwhat comes up must come down what goes in must come out! b:chuckle b:surprisedb:mischievous0 -
supertroyman1 wrote: »hey i got an idea that u can all shut up about
if u dont like the skill dont get it. ijs
what kind of idiot comes up with this type of comment?
thats like telling people in china to stop breathing if they dont like the air. BRILLIANT!0 -
Deadlife - Lost City wrote: »what kind of idiot comes up with this type of comment?
thats like telling people in china to stop breathing if they dont like the air. BRILLIANT!
and u guys r calling me the troll?
if u cant think of anything good about it dont get it its really that simple. dont buy it just to QQ nerd rage all over the forums0 -
supertroyman1 wrote: »and u guys r calling me the troll?
if u cant think of anything good about it dont get it its really that simple. dont buy it just to QQ nerd rage all over the forums
But it wouldn't change the fact, that Last Stand is one most useless Lvl79 Skill in the whole
Game. You farm 20 Apocalypse Pages, buy the Ink for about 1 mil Coins, pay 1mil SP
and get something like that. No Wonder that anyone is annoyed.0
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