Do I have to rez buff everyone and their mom?
DarkGifts - Harshlands
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I was in a bh29 lately, no cleric, and low levels all around. They started running to the mobs, everyone to the mob he liked best, just to die within seconds. So they started "wtf? you should have rez buffed us!". I left this squad after I died for the second time.
I had only rez buffed the barb and myself. Every one of these buffs takes out half of my mp, nevermind the heal spamming when I tried to save the poor little kids from their suicidal game.
My question is, can I be expected to give everyone in the squad a rez buff? Because with cooldown and mana regeneration this takes quite a time.
I had only rez buffed the barb and myself. Every one of these buffs takes out half of my mp, nevermind the heal spamming when I tried to save the poor little kids from their suicidal game.
My question is, can I be expected to give everyone in the squad a rez buff? Because with cooldown and mana regeneration this takes quite a time.
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It's nice to have buff for everyone, but due to the cooldown (a pain to just keep waiting for CD to finish then proceed to buff next person) and high MP cost, I would just give the buff to the cleric and the tank (and yourself too if you want). But since you didn't have a cleric in squad...well, my answer is yes and no and think it's situational (and I'm too lazy to elaborate atm). I think they deserved what they had coming - they shouldn't have rushed on like that. xD Maybe next time they'll learn.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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in a word, HELL NO! the rez buff is more for tactical use. the tank and healer comes first and you res buff anyone else if you FEEL like it. it's murder on the mana and it's cooldown is a ***** it may not seem that long, but alot can happen in that cooldown period. nothing like when the cerlic dies and comes back to life but you can't buff here right away cos the skill is still in cooldown from buffing a DD or something, if the cerlic dies again in that time you can say hello to a squad wipe. when i was actively playing my mystic i ran into people like that several times. and quite frankly, if thy run off and try to kill off mobs by themselves in an instance, they don't deserve to have a res buff.0
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I totally agree with what is said before! Usually I only buff the cleric and if I feel like the tank.. When the tank dies usually he even with res buff can't get the Boss under control before he kills all the others.. So dead tank usually is a squat wipe anyway. Cleric can revive all others and its 10% less lost, so why should I buff each and everyone?
Last time I buffed a BM, but that was just because he couldn't listen and died, his dead caused the cleric to revive him instantly. I wouldn't say it's right from cleric, but to prevent squat from a squat wipe I buffed that BM...
Other situation is, when there is no Cleric: Than I buff the main actors. That means if lets say one person is like 70 and doing the whole BH29, while all others are in the 40s I would only buff the lvl 70 and tell the rest to watch out their life.. If all chars act, like I am doing with a friend of mine in TT I buff all, just in case.
BUT if a noob tells me I HAVE to buff him, just because I'm in his squat I usually tell him about MP consumption and that cleric revive is better. If he listens, its ok. If not - his own problem.. I wont spend my whole money for others to buff them.. Maybe I'll start to do it like the barbs and ask to pay me a fee for that "service"... b:laugh0 -
Thanks for these insights, I feel much better now.
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whenever there is no cleric in a squad i rezz buff everyone. but when there is, its usually only me, the celric, and the barb, or anyone else who asks nicely
but before lvl 75, its hard to ress buff everyone. it takes so long to get that mana back and theyre all freaking out because they want it. and half of the people dont know it takes 30 seconds to cool off ~_~[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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At that level I just gave buff to tank and cleric, and if there was no cleric, then I just had to pay close attention to buff anyone right after they steal aggro and die. It usually worked out fine for me. :b But at this level, buffing the entire squad even when there is no cleric isn't a problem at all, since I have tons of mp regen gear, am pure mag, can use herbs, and have that awesome mana skill. But yeah I've found res buffing entire squad to be good especially in FC when the cleric can't drop BB to res people. Sure, they lose more mana, but if they die during a pull, at least they're able to get that exp back by resing, and get much more exp in the process. And if they DO have a problem with the exp, all they simply have to do is wait for the cleric overwrite the res and let me know so I don't waste my mana on the. xD [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Like it has been said. When I'm the only healer, I rez buff everyone (just got sage version yesterday btw, woot !), if there's a cleric I buff them and myself. Sometimes the tank if I feel he's a bit squishy and may die during the boss or something. (for example, even if the OP is too low for that, I would so buff the tank as well if I was to do Emperor in 3-2 or 3-3).0
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If you go into a run as the ONLY healer, then it's 100% your responsibility to rez buff everyone. IF they are stupid and needlessly reckless, then you can leave. But honestly most of the time I find it's the healer who lacks the skills to keep up. Holy path is a requirement on a mystic. They are the slowest class in the game.
If you can't rez buff everyone then wait for a cleric or say so before-hand.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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If there is NO cleric in squad, Yes everyone gets buff. If there is a cleric then buff just on mystic and cleric. Tanks can get rez from cleric while mystic heals the squad. But if you want to be nice you can buff tank too, sometimes I do depending an the situation because demon rez is better for tanks that can revive with 100% HP 50% MP.0
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LOL@male Mystics.0
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ArchAngeLi - Harshlands wrote: »LOL@male Mystics.
LOL at this weird comment. What's up with male mystics ?0 -
Having capped my Resurrect skill at 1/4 of my mana pool (and having heaps of MP regen equipment that help me get it all back well before the cooldown is over), I always try to res buff everyone in the party. The people I play with are pretty reasonable, and they're usually patient when I ask them to wait for res buffs. If someone doesn't want to wait, or don't notice their buff has expired and get killed before I can catch up... They really shouldn't do that.
Most people appreciate being able to get up immediately when they die, especially when a boss is nearly dead in a BH, so if I'm able to help, why not?
That's not to say that we should be obliged to do it as Mystics. It's just nice.AsOne faction - asone-dw.mmoguildsites.com - PvE, we do that.0 -
Res buffing the DDs is way more beneficial then buffing the clerics...If the DDs die who will protect the cleric...?In turn you need to practice more with your class in a squad.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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I rez buff everyone. It just saves time, and is one less thing the cleric has to worry about.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »Res buffing the DDs is way more beneficial then buffing the clerics...If the DDs die who will protect the cleric...?In turn you need to practice more with your class in a squad.
Are you getting paid for trolling ? Seriously... you troll general discussion and now here ? b:surrender0 -
Basically there is a ton of personal opinions on the matter, but the reality is it's up to you. It's your buff, your MP pool, so you get to decide who gets it.
The basic rule of thumb seems to be the cleric and whoever really wants it. If the party is being stupid, not giving the rez buff to certain individuals can be an effective teaching tool, especially if there isn't a cleric around.
But remember, the class is still too new for there to be a real standard, so its entirely up to the individual.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »Are you getting paid for trolling ? Seriously... you troll general discussion and now here ? b:surrender
.....Explain to me what is wrong with res buffing the DDs??Quite frankly I would rather res buff the DDs so I can live longer than the cleric who will probably be noob and die anyway.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0 -
ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: ».....Explain to me what is wrong with res buffing the DDs??Quite frankly I would rather res buff the DDs so I can live longer than the cleric who will probably be noob and die anyway.
dude y in hell would u ress buff the DD but not the cleric???? in my opinion ur just on your knees begging for a squad wipe. nothing wrong with buffing the DDs just as long as u buff the cleric too.
And i think thats a bit presumptuous of u to just expect the cleric to bee noob. dont get me wrong i've been in squads with really noob clerics but i've also met some really pro clerics as well and if u go into instance with that kinda attitude i say its ppl like u who make clerics fail by downing them instead of helping them out and giving them tips on how to do their jobs better. b:shutup[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: ».....Explain to me what is wrong with res buffing the DDs??Quite frankly I would rather res buff the DDs so I can live longer than the cleric who will probably be noob and die anyway.
What's wrong ? Mana waste. If you die, will those DD rez you ? Will they rez each other ? The whole point of the rez buff is avoiding squad wipes by saving the cleric from going to town in case they die so they can keep on healing and rezing other DDs, thus avoiding a squad wipe. And honestly, the DDs "protect" nothing xD Will they prevent the cleric from getting aoe'd by a boss that has bigger range than that cleric ? The only DD who can and MUST protect the cleric is the Mystic, ffs.
In your scenario everyone but the cleric would be rez buffed. The boss casts an omgwtf physical aoe, all the arcane DDs and the cleric die. Only tank and maybe another melee class are still up. The DDs get up thanks to the rez buff. Now what ? The cleric is still dead and has to go to town (or use a scroll, but letting a cleric use scrolls at his own cost when you can cast a buff for free on them is being a jerk). Since those DDs and the tank can't receive heals, they die. And by then, they don't have the rez buff anymore. Squad Wipe. Game Over
Ofc, you could heal while the cleric is coming back. But if you're good enough to solo heal in that instance, then why bringing a cleric in the first place ? Anyways, putting rez buff on everyone but the cleric is being a complete jerk xD The cleric is the only person that can't get rezed but by a second cleric or your rez buff.0 -
Why are you bothering to respond, you know he's a troll, you called him on being a troll, and he posts another troll comment and you bite, hook line and sinker. Good work feeding the troll.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »What's wrong ? Mana waste. If you die, will those DD rez you ? Will they rez each other ? The whole point of the rez buff is avoiding squad wipes by saving the cleric from going to town in case they die so they can keep on healing and rezing other DDs, thus avoiding a squad wipe. And honestly, the DDs "protect" nothing xD Will they prevent the cleric from getting aoe'd by a boss that has bigger range than that cleric ? The only DD who can and MUST protect the cleric is the Mystic, ffs.
In your scenario everyone but the cleric would be rez buffed. The boss casts an omgwtf physical aoe, all the arcane DDs and the cleric die. Only tank and maybe another melee class are still up. The DDs get up thanks to the rez buff. Now what ? The cleric is still dead and has to go to town (or use a scroll, but letting a cleric use scrolls at his own cost when you can cast a buff for free on them is being a jerk). Since those DDs and the tank can't receive heals, they die. And by then, they don't have the rez buff anymore. Squad Wipe. Game Over
Ofc, you could heal while the cleric is coming back. But if you're good enough to solo heal in that instance, then why bringing a cleric in the first place ? Anyways, putting rez buff on everyone but the cleric is being a complete jerk xD The cleric is the only person that can't get rezed but by a second cleric or your rez buff.
Lol so everyone except maybe tank dies to random AOE,cleric gets back up and dies again because of AOE.All the while the DDs could be up pummeling the last bit of the bosses health. Again Res buff on DDs is better solution then wasting time on the cleric every cooldownb:bye.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0 -
No you dont need to res buff every party member in squad, but it does depend on the situation, for example no cleric in squad then yes everyone should get a res buff at some point. Cleric in squad feel free to throw it on her and the tank. If its an instance like nirvana and ur the healer well then yes u res buff everyone, my tip is to res buff ppl as the fight, with clerics and tanks priority then DDs. Thats what I do at least.0
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LOL... What tells you the boss would be necessarily almost dead when party wipes ? Plus, I'm sorry, but the cleric will wake up with at least half HP (or full if demon version) and will be able to fast heal himself, plume shell, WoP or something not to die again... if he stills gets one shot, well just get another cleric xD But every cleric out there doesn't fail that much.
Btw, what you totally forgot and can be essential... don't you think the cleric may actually need the boss kill ?!
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Well, if you don't think it's your business, then that's what I said: you're a big jerk.
The rez buff would also save the squad the trouble of "holding" the boss and risk wiping to wait for the cleric to get back.
Now, just go reroll another class pls, if you chose Mystic. This class is too awesome to deserve someone like you giving them a bad name.0 -
Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »LOL... What tells you the boss would be necessarily almost dead when party wipes ? Plus, I'm sorry, but the cleric will wake up with at least half HP (or full if demon version) and will be able to fast heal himself, plume shell, WoP or something not to die again... if he stills gets one shot, well just get another cleric xD But every cleric out there doesn't fail that much.
Btw, what you totally forgot and can be essential... don't you think the cleric may actually need the boss kill ?!
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Well, if you don't think it's your business, then that's what I said: you're a big jerk.
The rez buff would also save the squad the trouble of "holding" the boss and risk wiping to wait for the cleric to get back.
Now, just go reroll another class pls, if you chose Mystic. This class is too awesome to deserve someone like you giving them a bad name.
I never realized how g ay the level 100 male mystic avatar looks.But anyway, if the cleric is fail enough to keep getting 1 hit by a boss then he/she does not deserve the kill anyway.Use blessing of the pure heart after the cleric res's to at least survive a bit longer, not like noob cleric's that use IH every time they res >_>.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0 -
ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »I never realized how g ay the level 100 male mystic avatar looks.But anyway, if the cleric is fail enough to keep getting 1 hit by a boss then he/she does not deserve the kill anyway.Use blessing of the pure heart after the cleric res's to at least survive a bit longer, not like noob cleric's that use IH every time they res >_>.
Clerics avatars aren't much more manly xD (and honestly I don't give a *** about it) But well this isn't the question.
Blessing of the Purehearted ? Really ? Do you really mean it ?... b:shocked
Ok, now I can tell you're 500% trolling. Go ahead, if you wanna die while casting it !
Seriously... you never heard of Wellspring and Stream of Rejuvenation ? Well in this precise case Wellspring is more appropriate. But well, I had a doubt on your case like "he is a freaking troll or the biggest noob ever seen ?"
The thing is, real noob can understand when you explain something to them, they don't keep on with BS to annoy people whatever you say.
You don't even deserve my attention. Now, you can go away We will all just ignore you, kthxbai. b:bye 0 -
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ummmmm you only NOW just realize he's trolling? lol.0 -
He called him a troll a while ago, but then he doubted. FOOD to the TROLL, he's the troll he must be fed!!![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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For me it honestly applies to the group who I buff. The cleric always gets one and most of the time I do too. But I may res buff others in the squad too if I feel like it or if they're just awesome/funny people.
But sometimes the **** factor will decide on who gets my buff:
I remember this one FC were the Cleric was pissed because my healing herbs were supposedly keeping everyone alive better than she was and felt not needed, So she decided to not help heal/DD until I left squad or didn't help heal. She would just stand there.
So I res buffed everyone but her and she of course dies on the slash boss from aoe. She then leaves party and whispers obscenities to me while calling me the worst Mystic she's ever seen and that the class is entirely useless.
We easily finished the FC fine without her. b:chuckleYuiYuiYuiYuiYuiYuiYuiYuiYuiYui0 -
Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »Clerics avatars aren't much more manly xD (and honestly I don't give a *** about it) But well this isn't the question.
Blessing of the Purehearted ? Really ? Do you really mean it ?... b:shocked
Ok, now I can tell you're 500% trolling. Go ahead, if you wanna die while casting it !
Seriously... you never heard of Wellspring and Stream of Rejuvenation ? Well in this precise case Wellspring is more appropriate. But well, I had a doubt on your case like "he is a freaking troll or the biggest noob ever seen ?"
The thing is, real noob can understand when you explain something to them, they don't keep on with BS to annoy people whatever you say.
You don't even deserve my attention. Now, you can go away We will all just ignore you, kthxbai. b:bye
I guess you have never heard of -channeling to make things cast fasterb:surrender.Imagine channeling BotPH fastb:dirty.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0 -
ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »I never realized how g ay the level 100 male mystic avatar looks.But anyway, if the cleric is fail enough to keep getting 1 hit by a boss then he/she does not deserve the kill anyway.Use blessing of the pure heart after the cleric res's to at least survive a bit longer, not like noob cleric's that use IH every time they res >_>.ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »I guess you have never heard of -channeling to make things cast fasterb:surrender.Imagine channeling BotPH fastb:dirty.
No, ofc I've never heard of it... That's why my cleric has -45% chan and my mystic has -48%... Your **** heal still takes forever, ijs.0
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