Most viable caster class?

fncrzyjordan
fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
edited April 2011 in General Discussion
New to the game. I've been playing MMOs for years and have always played a caster class. Question being, what is going to be the most useful/sought after caster class (besides a cleric) for instances?
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  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    sorry, but in this game, the melee class is more needed in the instances =|
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  • Ashai - Dreamweaver
    Ashai - Dreamweaver Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I'm sorry to say that, as a fellow caster player, casters are relatively useless in this game save clerics and for territory war. To be successful you should try assassin or blademaster =/
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Ignore these two.


    Roll a veno, get decent survivability, max purge, get level 11 amp.
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  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Honestly, with all the negative talk all over the forums about the game its kinda driving me away. Seems to be a terrible fault if they cant even make a successful wizard/sorc class that can nuke things in an instance. Every MMO i've played has done well with making sure a caster fits in well with buffs and straight out mass DPS.
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    Honestly, with all the negative talk all over the forums about the game its kinda driving me away. Seems to be a terrible fault if they cant even make a successful wizard/sorc class that can nuke things in an instance. Every MMO i've played has done well with making sure a caster fits in well with buffs and straight out mass DPS.

    and you found why this game is broken since... people know about 5 APS :P
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  • Ashai - Dreamweaver
    Ashai - Dreamweaver Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Rawrgh, I wasn't trying to be mean, just talking from my experience with my psy.

    That was just my experience, though, jordan. I really hope you have a better one.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    Honestly, with all the negative talk all over the forums about the game its kinda driving me away. Seems to be a terrible fault if they cant even make a successful wizard/sorc class that can nuke things in an instance. Every MMO i've played has done well with making sure a caster fits in well with buffs and straight out mass DPS.
    it really depends how you want to play the game. If your aiming to be very competitive then thats HARD. Because its a bit inbalanced in the way pple can accumulate the wealth. You can either spend thousands of dollars or you can become a merchant and work the market (this take a bit of learning) or get high level in which you can farm some instances (but certain classes can run it cheaper than others thus gaining the upper hand)

    The pple above are mostly refering to endgame where the endgear does its own talking and pwns pple.

    Castor wise, wizard or Psychic would be a good choice. Wizzy has a bonus, thats a continuous aoe spell.
    Theres not many pple that know how to play it well and make themselves a good rep so the overall atmosphere that a caster is good or useful,.. is lacking. (excluding self proclaimed good individuals)

    If your a casual player then this game is still very enjoyable regardless of what ppl say. The forum is just a place for disgruntled pple to come together lol
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  • endlesstorture
    endlesstorture Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Casters in this game are useless...Assasins and BMs are the most useful class that can make u alot of money because it takes an Assasin 3minutes to kill a boss...And it will takes a Caster 1hour+... Casters are useless...this game is broken. Just the way it is...
  • Ceiba - Sanctuary
    Ceiba - Sanctuary Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    The only viable caster classes are:

    ClawRic: Cleric + Claws.

    FistZard: Wizard + Fist.

    Clawmancer: Veno + Claws.

    Sure you wont cast any skill, but you will deal more damage in the end.

    Broken APS mechanic is broken. /sarcasm.


    If you really want to cast then roll a veno, sage soul degen debuffs a boss for 20% hp (1M hp less on the spot for a 5M HP boss), sage amplify increases dmg for 30% and myriads give you a chance to debuff for -100% def/mdef. Also Sage sparks gives 900% mattack. Sadly even with those bonuses and a herc you will never dream with killing a boss as fast as an assassin, bosses that take me around 5 mins to kill, an assassin with decent aps kills it in 20-30 seconds, so mostly you will be a support class not a dder of any sorts.
  • Jay_Dubbz - Lost City
    Jay_Dubbz - Lost City Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    caster thats (not cleric) sought after in pwi lol? not in this game.

    Venos are about the only class I can say and even they usually replaced by a 5 aps sin or bm in instances.

    5aps melee characters can just out DD any caster so they are the ones that are sought after in the game now, it's just the way it is really.

    If you really wanna be a caster and want to be needed just be a cleric. Clerics are pretty vesatile they can support and do pretty good damage. With good gear, a cleric can be pretty hard to take down.

    So yea thats my opinion
  • Mysticarella - Lost City
    Mysticarella - Lost City Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    The thing is that APS broke the game, but mostly for farming and PvP. If you play on PvE you still can have fun playing a magic class. I play as Mystic and Sin on PvP server, when i want to PvP, farm, Nirvana or Bosses I go to my sin, when I want to have fun I play on my mystic.
  • The__Sun - Dreamweaver
    The__Sun - Dreamweaver Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Castors are not as sought after so much for instances anymore but for TW choose wizard or psychic. They rule the field, haha.
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  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    They have a choice of like 10 classes. It just seems strange to me that groups only want 3 of them. Assassin, Blade Master and Cleric. If they game focuses so much on ONLY these classes for dungeon grouping then it seems not to be just player choice but a flaw in the making of the game. An MMO should be focused on all classes to successfully take down a boss, not just a few.
  • The__Sun - Dreamweaver
    The__Sun - Dreamweaver Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    They have a choice of like 10 classes. It just seems strange to me that groups only want 3 of them. Assassin, Blade Master and Cleric. If they game focuses so much on ONLY these classes for dungeon grouping then it seems not to be just player choice but a flaw in the making of the game. An MMO should be focused on all classes to successfully take down a boss, not just a few.

    Well with BP +5 aps + HF, there not much use for the castors even less clerics are being asked for places now
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  • Mysticarella - Lost City
    Mysticarella - Lost City Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    You dont need cleric with 5 APS + BP b:surrender Most of the fastest NV runs are just 5 aps Sins and BMs, no cleric.
  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Mysticarella - Lost City wrote: »
    You dont need cleric with 5 APS + BP b:surrender Most of the fastest NV runs are just 5 aps Sins and BMs, no cleric.

    Who wants to play a game with only 2 melee classes on a boss fight? Sounds pretty boring to me....Looks like im going back to WoW or finding another MMO to keep my interests.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    Who wants to play a game with only 2 melee classes on a boss fight? Sounds pretty boring to me....Looks like im going back to WoW or finding another MMO to keep my interests.
    If u need to be persuaded to play the game then yeah i think you, and us, are better off with you playing another game lol
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  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If u need to be persuaded to play the game then yeah i think you, and us, are better off with you playing another game lol
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    Is this not how a game makes its sales? Is it not how they KEEP the interest of the player? What do you think new areas/dungeons/gear are for? To persuade you to keep playing....
    Kinda sad actually. I really enjoyed the gameplay/graphics/quests. But i'm glad I got an idea of how the dungeon/end game play would be like before I sunk a ton of hours into a character I could not even get into groups with.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ignore these two.


    Roll a veno, get decent survivability, max purge, get level 11 amp.

    This is right. Also Venos can always get a 4.0 build since they are half phys.
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    Who wants to play a game with only 2 melee classes on a boss fight? Sounds pretty boring to me....Looks like im going back to WoW or finding another MMO to keep my interests.

    This game is all about $ (real life). More you have, the better gear you get.

    Type LoL in google and try that b:cute
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  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    This game is all about $ (real life). More you have, the better gear you get.

    Type LoL in google and try that b:cute

    Mise well play a P2P game for 15$ a month, have the same advantages and disadvantages as everyone else, AND save some money?
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is right. Also Venos can always get a 4.0 build since they are half phys.

    Doing 4.0 with a magic weapon is the failest bucket of fail ever.

    With Base 1.25 aps, I could shatter a weapon in 2 TT1-3's, just doing Melee.

    Or are you suggesting glitching fists?

    Because Melee Mastery doesn't do jack **** when you're in human form, and you get absolutely no PDef bonus, either, in human form.

    Glitched in Fox Form, you're pretty much stuck there until you relog.

    This is just another reason I consider Veno to be THE most broken class ever.

    It's more of a half class than a half melee class.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Mysticarella - Lost City wrote: »
    You dont need cleric with 5 APS + BP b:surrender Most of the fastest NV runs are just 5 aps Sins and BMs, no cleric.
    Have you ever done a 3-3?


    Clerics are needed there, not for healing. You are correct that with 5 aps + BP healing is not necessary. But they ARE needed for purify + res
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  • PhantomThief - Archosaur
    PhantomThief - Archosaur Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Honestly, the attitude of the players has a lot to do with your experience in PWI.

    I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but it seems to me that players always seem to be looking for the quickest way to level/farm.

    In the level 60-80 range, people always want archers, wizards, and now seekers for AOE grinding PQ.

    In the 80+ range, its all about FCC and, again, the same three classes shine, as far as AOE DDing on the big pulls. Sins also gets called upon a lot here so they can kill the Shades and open the doors, allowing the party to skip a few rooms.

    At 99+ or so, its all about BMs, Sins, and fist/claw Archers for super fast Nirvana runs.

    5 APS would not be as big of a deal endgame if people weren't so obsessed with finding the quickest way.

    @OP: Honestly, all four caster classes are viable. It really boils down to what you want.

    If you like to play solo and/or using pets, then a Veno or a Mystic can work great for you.
    If you like crowd control and quick casting spells, Psychic is the way to go.
    If you like being the only wizard you'll ever see, Wizard is the only choice! (Seriously, Wizards are rare, but that doesn't mean they are weak/lame. They are harder to level and that turns a lot of people off).
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  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »
    Honestly, the attitude of the players has a lot to do with your experience in PWI.

    I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but it seems to me that players always seem to be looking for the quickest way to level/farm.

    In the level 60-80 range, people always want archers, wizards, and now seekers for AOE grinding PQ.

    In the 80+ range, its all about FCC and, again, the same three classes shine, as far as AOE DDing on the big pulls. Sins also gets called upon a lot here so they can kill the Shades and open the doors, allowing the party to skip a few rooms.

    At 99+ or so, its all about BMs, Sins, and fist/claw Archers for super fast Nirvana runs.

    5 APS would not be as big of a deal endgame if people weren't so obsessed with finding the quickest way.

    @OP: Honestly, all four caster classes are viable. It really boils down to what you want.

    If you like to play solo and/or using pets, then a Veno or a Mystic can work great for you.
    If you like crowd control and quick casting spells, Psychic is the way to go.
    If you like being the only wizard you'll ever see, Wizard is the only choice!

    See now this is the kind of post I was looking for. So if I'm set on playing a caster class then im looking at playing solo alot of the time. Otherwise, I will have to choose a melee class to get into the dungeons and end game content. Is this all summed up?
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    [concerning venos:]
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is right. Also Venos can always get a 4.0 build since they are half phys.

    so, implicitly, the reason venos are (more) viable (than the other casters) is that... we're half melee and can kinda-sorta do that APS thing that's broken casters?

    geez, way to make my plans for restatting to HA melee fox at level 90 seem like selling out, twenty levels before i even get to it. b:sad

    and, edited to add:
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    See now this is the kind of post I was looking for. So if I'm set on playing a caster class then im looking at playing solo. Otherwise, I will have to choose a melee class to get into the dungeons and end game content. Is this all summed up?

    depends entirely on what friends you make, what guild(s) you join, and who you choose to run with. there are people out here playing just for the fun of it, including doing end-game instances without caring about APS or speed. the "top-tier", "competitive" crowd who dominate PVP and TW play may look down their noses at us carebears, but we're still enjoying the game. i'm fortunate enough to belong to such a guild, and i'd not consider leaving.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    See now this is the kind of post I was looking for. So if I'm set on playing a caster class then im looking at playing solo alot of the time. Otherwise, I will have to choose a melee class to get into the dungeons and end game content. Is this all summed up?
    Again, veno.
    Honestly, the attitude of the players has a lot to do with your experience in PWI.

    I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but it seems to me that players always seem to be looking for the quickest way to level/farm.

    In the level 60-80 range, people always want archers, wizards, and now seekers for AOE grinding PQ.

    In the 80+ range, its all about FCC and, again, the same three classes shine, as far as AOE DDing on the big pulls. Sins also gets called upon a lot here so they can kill the Shades and open the doors, allowing the party to skip a few rooms.

    At 99+ or so, its all about BMs, Sins, and fist/claw Archers for super fast Nirvana runs.

    5 APS would not be as big of a deal endgame if people weren't so obsessed with finding the quickest way.

    @OP: Honestly, all four caster classes are viable. It really boils down to what you want.

    If you like to play solo and/or using pets, then a Veno or a Mystic can work great for you.
    If you like crowd control and quick casting spells, Psychic is the way to go.
    If you like being the only wizard you'll ever see, Wizard is the only choice! (Seriously, Wizards are rare, but that doesn't mean they are weak/lame. They are harder to level and that turns a lot of people off).


    It's pretty necessary. Other than merching the only way to even have a shot at competing with the mega cash shoppers is to be able to farm as effeciently as possible.
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    fncrzyjordan wrote: »
    Mise well play a P2P game for 15$ a month, have the same advantages and disadvantages as everyone else, AND save some money?

    Is not really a free "to play" game, if you just want to log n run around n pretend your cool.. then i guess it is. But to be competitive with people spending 300-500 dollars a week to buy packs or other stuff...

    This mite help.. lots of people i know trying this out.

    I prefer this though b:dirty


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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    Is not really a free "to play" game, if you just want to log n run around n pretend your cool.. then i guess it is. But to be competitive with people spending 300-500 dollars a week to buy packs or other stuff...

    This mite help.. lots of people i know trying this out.

    I prefer this though b:dirty


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  • fncrzyjordan
    fncrzyjordan Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    Is not really a free "to play" game, if you just want to log n run around n pretend your cool.. then i guess it is. But to be competitive with people spending 300-500 dollars a week to buy packs or other stuff...

    This mite help.. lots of people i know trying this out.

    I prefer this though b:dirty


    1st link free during beta b:bye

    You are joking about people spending that much money right? I have a hard time spending 15$ a month on a game let alone anywhere near that much....

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