Full Attack Clerics?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · April 2011

So as a cleric how do you feel about full attack clerics. What are some of the pros/cons to it. I'm not one, but I get nervous when I see/hear about one because I've noticed that a lot of people boss me around based off experiences with other clerics who wouldn't heal. And i'm thinking that they've probably got a full attack cleric in their squad who didn't notify them that, that was their build. What do you think about them? If you play one, why not play a wiz/psy? What makes you love of your full attack cleric? Just curious.

Also, I know that they aren't this bad:
http://www.youtube.com/user/dorkly#p/u/0/DHpPKgi-niI

So what are the benefits of them?

jiq · April 2011

I've learned all the attack skills and I can act as a full attack Cleric when I solo. But I would never neglect healing in a squad, because that's what Clerics are pro at. Our damage is cr@p compared to aps, anyways. :P Then why bother?! There are DDers for that. But a squad usually has only one healer, the Cleric.

GenericBrand - Archosaur · April 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So as a cleric how do you feel about full attack clerics.

It really depends on the situation. If they're in a group where spamming HP pots/food and charm ticks just isn't cutting it, then I'm against having one in squad. If not, by all means have at it. I have been in several squads where my healing was not a necessity and I was only there in case **** hit the fan b:sad

Also, LMAO @that video. Healers on this game can do a lot more damage than on the FF games (XI comes to mind... good grief WHM were ridiculously weak DD unless you had some really pimped out gear. Why oh why did they nerf Holy damage ><).

LongWushi - Heavens Tear · April 2011

I built my cleric to cayeon's attack cleric guide. There is really NO difference between me and you, except I might do a better job at it. I built my cleric for the attack skills, the heals were a bonus. My first character was a veno. I went through some of the best factions on my server at the time and watched the clerics I squaded with to learn how to do it. So, there is no difference between my being an attack cleric vs. a support cleric.

I used to hang out with Evenixus in Triad and I recall a time when we went by Jewelscalen and saw a squad wipe out. Even was fond of telling everyone he had L1 ress (and I like to do it too just for the reactions I get). He offered to ress everyone and someone replied they didn't want a L1 ress. Since we were in vent he laughed and told me how stupid people were. By the time you're in your 90s you've got an excess of spirit and that he'd maxed out every skill.

Now, the next argument shouldn't be about attack clerics, what about the "paladin" clerics? Come on now. I have seen HA clerics running around with polearms and axes and swords. You're willing to rag on a cleric built the same way as you, but not them? *snort* I have always resigned myself to the fact that while I am built to my preferred play style I will have to fill my squad role. Besides, if I have a sexily awesome tank they only need a few heals and I can still DD. The cleric is a great DD and people fail to realize that, especially when they already have one in their squad. A second or third cleric certainly doesn't hurt to have around.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · April 2011

LongWushi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I built my cleric to cayeon's attack cleric guide. There is really NO difference between me and you, except I might do a better job at it. I built my cleric for the attack skills, the heals were a bonus. My first character was a veno. I went through some of the best factions on my server at the time and watched the clerics I squaded with to learn how to do it. So, there is no difference between my being an attack cleric vs. a support cleric.

I used to hang out with Evenixus in Triad and I recall a time when we went by Jewelscalen and saw a squad wipe out. Even was fond of telling everyone he had L1 ress (and I like to do it too just for the reactions I get). He offered to ress everyone and someone replied they didn't want a L1 ress. Since we were in vent he laughed and told me how stupid people were. By the time you're in your 90s you've got an excess of spirit and that he'd maxed out every skill.

Now, the next argument shouldn't be about attack clerics, what about the "paladin" clerics? Come on now. I have seen HA clerics running around with polearms and axes and swords. You're willing to rag on a cleric built the same way as you, but not them? *snort* I have always resigned myself to the fact that while I am built to my preferred play style I will have to fill my squad role. Besides, if I have a sexily awesome tank they only need a few heals and I can still DD. The cleric is a great DD and people fail to realize that, especially when they already have one in their squad. A second or third cleric certainly doesn't hurt to have around.

I wasn't arguing against going both routes, I meant more the people who don't heal at all. Although if you have excess spirit I don't really get why you wouldn't get the Lvl 10 rez. Especially since at higher lvls it can take a while to level. :P I wasn't ragging on you, more asking the pros and cons. The video was meant to lighten the mood, so that people who claim that full attack clerics are useless can see how silly the arguments are compared to full attack healers in other games. :P Usually this kind of post gets a storm of QQ. But i'm really serious. What benefits are there to going full attack especially when you're the only cleric in the squad? I know I get yelled to rez the second a squishy goes down regardless if the tank is prepared for me to take the time it takes to cast rez or not.

Cochiti - Heavens Tear · April 2011

b:chuckle Long has L10 ress and I'm hoping I can get her Demon Ress one day. It's just a joke to mess with people.

I'm still saying there's NO difference between being FC or FS. It's just play style. I have a veno, sin, and cleric that are all a pretty decent level so I just like to kill things (this is esp. evident when I run a dungeon). In cayeon's guide he does state getting certain heals, so it's not like they don't have heals period, which would be incredibly stupid if they didn't. I still play healer when I squad simply because I generally am the only cleric in the squad. I'm okay with that so long as I can DD a bit too or they don't waste my mana.

Pvp_watcher - Harshlands · April 2011

I would rather the cleric heals if they were the only one in the party, but if there are two clerics, go nuts, tempest hurts like ****, It's about as strong as wizard's mountain seize.

I like playing as a battle cleric to be honest, I find them more versatile than mages. Yeah, I don't hurt as much but I can still do a lot of damage. It's mostly the visual effects that get me, male clerics look hot b:dirty, but I like playing healer as well, just not all the time. Since I'm in a faction with many clerics that love to do runs with each other and in a server where anything over 3 aps is very rare (I think I saw a person 2 weeks ago with 4.) I can get away with being a metal mage often.

Also there is something magical about flying on wings carrying a magical glowing sword that amazes me. I'm a lazy person who will spend most of his day flying around the world, so I may as well enjoy it. b:laugh

Fistol - Raging Tide · April 2011

Most i believe would rather Cleric Heal First, DEbuff then DD

heal is the one thing a cleric can do Best, other class cant even really do as good. getting a wizard to spam @ max channel still doesnt cut it.

phy resist debuff are 2nd thing i believe cleric do will greatly benefit the party in term of DDing.
Seeing as how most of the class around are melee class.

Finally using skills to actually attack will be the last resort, unless you are somehow 10 levels above everyone else.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · April 2011

b:scornb:scornb:scorn I know how to play a cleric.

<--peep the level and join date

I was more curious about the other build. I mean they can't be EXACTLY the same, or you'd just call them all clerics and they wouldn't distinguish themselves. :P sigh, nvm.

Soira - Raging Tide · April 2011

Full attack and Full support are just play styles, not builds >.>

Anyways, I lol'ed irl at that video XD

LongWushi - Heavens Tear · April 2011

The builds are pretty much the same... XXX Magic OPT Vit 50(ish) Str 5 Dex. I have a base of 80 just because I know how handy it is. I have seen clerics with more and I see a lot more clerics with less. People always think having vit is baaaaad for a cleric, but you need to look at your survivability. If you have a pure mag built not even BB will save you from some aoes. Not to mention you will very likely go SPLAT something hard when you start doing 100 BHs (if not sooner). The only thing that really ever scares me about a cleric when I squad are their HP/MP bars. I have been in squads where there were two or three of us and maybe one was higher than me or lower and my stats and gears were better. It scares me to see a cleric with less HP and MP. The way I see it if you're going to be an AA FS cleric and try to go as pure as possible, fine if you're satisfied with your HP but your MP should at least be higher than mine. Depending on which ornaments I wear (and weapons) I can have over 5k HP and 9k MP. I end up supporting more than I kill and I can tank things my level or higher than myself (of course it was a little hard in 59 at L70 but I do well at 9x in Eden or Brim). That's what heals are for.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · April 2011

i like my 40 HP base, i lack always MP.
If i get my nirvana, i will restat to 3 vit, no jk

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · April 2011

its play style + some stats

but remember, cayeons guide was made somewhere in the 2008s. I did follow that build but i didnt follow the playstyle. Like i healed when i needed to and attacked when needed. (imagine how irate u would be with 2-3 barbs DDing and no one tanking) You just do what u need to do minimum.

Full attacks are basically clerics who lean toward full MAG build, do the minimum healing and attack when they can. By the time your lv95 youll have ample amount of SP to level all skills youve left off.

Any other thats not healing and just attacking, giving squad members minimal Lv buffs, when their the only cleric in squad, there is a playstyle for that too. Its called the "Inconsiderate playstyle/build". I dont think these clerics would appreciate if other classes that squaded with them did the same. See how they like 3 bow-barians

truekossy · April 2011

I hate the term full attack cleric. It's stupid, ignorant, and just plain annoying, IMO. As a cleric, you're a support class. If I'm healing when I need to, debuffing, and tossing in attacks when my heals aren't needed, I'm still supporting my squad. If I'm going around calling myself a FAC and metal maging while never healing in a squad that needs heals, I'm being an inconsiderate **** and should be booted from the squad.

Almost every cleric I've seen that called themself an attack cleric was as bad as the white mage in the video in terms of how well they treated the rest of the squad. I don't mind a cleric that says they prefer to attack but will heal when needed. In fact, I prefer to attack/debuff on my cleric as well... but I will NOT force my squad to fend for themselves if heals are needed.

Besides, by 95 you should have the spirit needed to max all your skills, so it's not even a question of skill distrobution. Full "attack" clerics are just as annoying as full "support" at those levels. A cleric is a cleric and should be able to heal when the situation calls for it, or attack/debuff when heals aren't as needed.

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · April 2011

I agree, that the "full support" or "full attack" terms are play styles not builds. With a cleric the strength of your heals and your attacks is fully dependent on your magic stats. If I ever run with a cleric in squad that is the only cleric and the only thing they do is DD I never squad with them again. If I'm in a squad with a cleric that can multi-task by watching HP lvls healing appropriately and tossing in a DD or debuff...then I'm totally fine with that. If I'm with cleric that prefers to heal only w/o DD/debuffs that's fine too. When I'm on my veno...I know part of my job is to keep the cleric sparked. When I'm on my cleric...it's the squads HP first DD/debuff 2nd.

As a side note...person with the lowest HP gets healed first DD wise if group heal isn't necessary. I love how some DDs think that they're the most important DD in the entire squad. Example...old BH89 run in Brim. Majority, 97+ players, wiz had 25% hp left so I hit them with 2 quick heals then turned and hit the sin who'd just hit 50% hp (no charm tick) with a heal. The sin totally went off on me for not healing them...I explained another char had a lower hp level and they had just hit 50% when I healed them. Apparently, because I wasn't willing to let the wizzy die to heal them (since they were oh so more important) they dropped squad and left. We got another char in to replace them and I received thank yous from the rest of the squad for watching ALL of their HP not just a select few.

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