Demon Seekers

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  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    vristion wrote: »
    "we lack immunity to negative effects "



    CC quid pro---unlimited

    was used when vinnie was talking about anti stuns. derp
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • vrist
    vrist Posts: 50
    edited April 2011
    Epros - Raging Tide wrote: »
    was used when vinnie was talking about anti stuns. derp

    Barelly, anyway...was a side statement ot match PRECISELY what I quoted .....
  • supertroyman1
    supertroyman1 Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Better heal? You are counting on the 20% chance on Sutra?

    Better HF? You get 2000 fire damage over 6 seconds. That's 500 damage over 6 seconds after PvP reduction and PRE-fire resistance reduction. That's better than 50% more time of 2X damage amp?

    Better defense? You get 30% more on your Marrow while demon keep 30% on the def you are giving up with Marrow. Demon is more balanced so you don't get one shot by phy attack from Archer while using magic Marrow.

    Yeah if you enjoy keep spamming Cyclone. Demon =>macro => eat a sandwich while staying 5.0.

    Better damage? You get 15% weapon damage from mastery. But you get 135% weapon damage worth of fire damage from demon DB instead of 100%. Using CC DB means demon will have 35-15% =20% weapon damage over sage per hit.

    And Roar also miss random people in TW when it's not demon. I always laugh at sage for missing Roar on me in 1v1.

    Higher elemental damage? From? You are not saying to actually cast DB fully without CC are you? That's a great use of 2 sparks.

    Better Shadowless? I can resist every cast from a boss by timing triple spark + lvl 1 Shadowless. For what is sage Shadowless needed?

    Demon Fissure is much more useful in TW. 30% fire debuff is nice for HA, but you have less fire damage from DB anyways.

    Marrow goes to the better def discussion. Sage marrows are too extream and leaves you vulnerable to the other type of attacks.

    Yeah Bell's the only good thing. Even then short burst of high def from demon Bell is equal useful, saved my squad many times.

    Longer Cyclone? How about you take into account of the time it takes to use Cyclone? You need to spark every 15 seconds anyways. 5 seconds of extra time of 5.0 without spark bonus is still going to get out DPS by demon who sparks every 15 seconds.

    anyone else realising this guy is trolling just about every forum page out there or is it just meb:chuckle
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited April 2011
    supertroyman1 wrote: »
    anyone else realising this guy is trolling just about every forum page out there or is it just meb:chuckle

    His theme song b:laugh

    CLICKY
  • Deadlife - Lost City
    Deadlife - Lost City Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    to OP (cant be assed to read whole thread) I dont think it really matters, YES do i think aps seeker is "funny", but you know what else is funny? the damage i deal with my hardest hitting skill to anything but arcane....

    yea i hit a 100 seeker with r8 +2 gear with gemini slash, maxed with a +4 firelotus sword for a whopping 700 damage....im pretty sure that is about 10% or less of that persons HP even funnier was the damage they did to me with their gemini slash with their rank 8 weapon hitting me for 1.2k and i have almost 8k hp

    so really doesnt matter whether you go sage or demon, what matters is whether or not your going to +12 your rank 9 weapon...cause sadly the people who you can hurt the most, can hurt you worse, and faster......
  • vristion
    vristion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Deadlife - Lost City wrote: »
    to OP (cant be assed to read whole thread) I dont think it really matters, YES do i think aps seeker is "funny", but you know what else is funny? the damage i deal with my hardest hitting skill to anything but arcane....

    yea i hit a 100 seeker with r8 +2 gear with gemini slash, maxed with a +4 firelotus sword for a whopping 700 damage....im pretty sure that is about 10% or less of that persons HP even funnier was the damage they did to me with their gemini slash with their rank 8 weapon hitting me for 1.2k and i have almost 8k hp

    so really doesnt matter whether you go sage or demon, what matters is whether or not your going to +12 your rank 9 weapon...cause sadly the people who you can hurt the most, can hurt you worse, and faster......



    Attacks the enemies within 8.4 meters to the target,
    and deals base Physical damage, plus
    270% of weapon damage, plus 2204.2.
    Use on a target with the Spirit Bore status to deal massive Metal damage
    and reduce the target's Attack and Defense level.

    Is better to one shot AA/LAs with.
  • CessiI - Dreamweaver
    CessiI - Dreamweaver Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    meh demon is good also,

    a little aps doesnt hurt pvp wise when you can get a freeze on them, and a small stunlock with pach+voidstep lock,

    i mean, you can demon spark and glich voidstep after you froze them, to eat away faster treu their HP

    im demon, and i dont regret it, the inrease in aps from the spark is nice in melee situations.

    dont have to be 4.00 or 5.00 to be succesfull in melee,

    my barb is 1.11 with dual hammers ( nirvy ), i eat away on HA foes by just auto attacking whitout a spark. if i spark i got 1.54 aps with hammers, its a really big boost

    aps on seeker doesnt hurt, just dont go full aps tho,

    we lack in stuns, but i know from own experience that seekers can lock in freeze really well
  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    S/T/N - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Just my input on why Im going Demon, hope some find this useful,

    Just go demon and don't bother what others say :P In this game, just as rl, they go after 1 stereo-type standard per class then noob at all who do something different. It's just monkey sees, monkey do. It's exactly the same on any class, they trash 1 culti and make the other godly-mode (cleric is prolly the only exception). Psy, bm, sin and now seeker are the best examples of blind-staring on 1 culti :P
  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    4.0 seeker is possible but highly unlikely as it requires to much luck as you can see
    http://pwcalc.com/0c85ff4588403666
    and yes OHT sword can get inv on it
    100% F2P legit 105 since starting this game. Full rank9 jaded +12 seeker. .tinyurl.com/nocashshopHaters gona hate cuz they cant play a game
  • billynormankk
    billynormankk Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yes but who is going to go through 1million tries before they actually get the -0.15.....?
  • Deadlife - Lost City
    Deadlife - Lost City Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    -0.15 on a sword? you make joke... ha ha ha

    no but seriously you dont want a demon seeker, check out my build for when i hit 101 its pro, rank 9 sage 5.0 seeker


    no lie

    http://pwcalc.com/003761a40e6fa23d
  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    was making a point that is possible. didnt say i would be impossible to get those ads but yea
    100% F2P legit 105 since starting this game. Full rank9 jaded +12 seeker. .tinyurl.com/nocashshopHaters gona hate cuz they cant play a game
  • Evict - Heavens Tear
    Evict - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    4.0 seeker is possible but highly unlikely as it requires to much luck as you can see
    http://pwcalc.com/0c85ff4588403666
    and yes OHT sword can get inv on it

    If you're playing Seeker to try and make it another APS class, quit now plz.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Dysk is my tasty chimichanga. <3
  • lizrau
    lizrau Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Seekers are not f*cking meant to be Demon Spark > Autos. THEY ARE SKILL SPAMMERS, HENCE THEY HAVE CERTAIN COMBOS THEY MUST USE TO GET THE MOST DAMAGE. For the love of God, PLEASE! go roll a 5 APS Sin if you want to be remotely useful, thank you :o.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]


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  • Tomoe_ - Sanctuary
    Tomoe_ - Sanctuary Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    4.0 seeker is possible but highly unlikely as it requires to much luck as you can see
    http://pwcalc.com/0c85ff4588403666
    and yes OHT sword can get inv on it

    uhm the -.05 int add on is considered the unique stat on oht swords, hence they cant have 2 or 3 stacks of it..
  • Samsama - Harshlands
    Samsama - Harshlands Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Heres a really easy simple comparison of APS seeker vs Non APS seeker

    Aps
    attack dmg: 21053-25417
    Pdef: 11448
    MDEF 3067
    attack speed: 2.86
    Attack level: 46
    Defense level: 56
    http://pwcalc.com/036d877d19b1d331

    VS

    non aps
    Attack dmg: 24984-29634
    Pdef: 14388
    Mdef: 4575
    attack speed: 1.11
    Attack lvl: 114
    Def Level 85
    http://pwcalc.com/3f2430beac580091

    Not only does a Non aps build deal roughly 4k more damage from weapon alone; but also has more defense and higher attack level essentially dealing 58% more damage and taking 39% less damage as per attack level alone. Finally in closing it also has a chance for DOUBLE DAMAGE.

    APS seeker isnt like an APS sin bm barb or archer. As an APS seeker you're WAAAAY to limited in your options, and you're limiting your options of fighting to almost strictly auto attacks. Seekers are skill throwers, not auto assaulters.

    you make a very Strong argument....if u only thought things out.....An APS will always Out DD a None APS. Switch the R6 wep with a R9 wep +12 your APS will be 2.X And u will have The Same Physical atk as none APS "sage seeker" But u will deal 2X more Dmg in a sec. I wouldn't worry about the P.Def An Ah's Greatest threat is gonna be a Robe, so worry about the Mag Def. If seekers Cant be APS build then Archers shouldn't be APS build either. Still funny? AHAHAHA NO cuz you know that if a Archer Casts Demon Quickshot you might just Die even if u are HA. Archers Cant even Reach 2 APS i think the max is like 1.86.

    The Real Deal is we re not fighting To help people where just arguing to make our side look better. All Of us will go Sage or Demon no matter what, even if the skills Do fail Because some of us just love to Cast our Red-looking spark and laugh while Sins run back to stealth and everyone else runs for their in game life. While Others like to Cast their harmless looking White spark and when u get hit by their attack u find out it was sage spark,u got one shot.

    I Forgot to mention Seekers Do have "combos" is not even a combo, but the one u will be using the most is Gemini slash combo cuz it deals more dmg. But Gemini slash has an 8 sec cooldown, so its not like u can keep doing combos and the dmg will increase. In addition with an Aps Seeker u will "debuff the enemies faster" so u will be able to cast w/e skill u gotta do to do more dmg.
  • Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver
    Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    4.0 seeker is possible but highly unlikely as it requires to much luck as you can see
    http://pwcalc.com/0c85ff4588403666
    and yes OHT sword can get inv on it

    I've personally never seen a -.15 int weapon
    Apparently its more difficult to milk a smurf than originally conceived..
  • Cadeal - Dreamweaver
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Samsama - Harshlands wrote: »
    you make a very Strong argument....if u only thought things out.....An APS will always Out DD a None APS. Switch the R6 wep with a R9 wep +12 your APS will be 2.X And u will have The Same Physical atk as none APS "sage seeker" But u will deal 2X more Dmg in a sec. I wouldn't worry about the P.Def An Ah's Greatest threat is gonna be a Robe, so worry about the Mag Def. If seekers Cant be APS build then Archers shouldn't be APS build either. Still funny? AHAHAHA NO cuz you know that if a Archer Casts Demon Quickshot you might just Die even if u are HA. Archers Cant even Reach 2 APS i think the max is like 1.86.

    The Real Deal is we re not fighting To help people where just arguing to make our side look better. All Of us will go Sage or Demon no matter what, even if the skills Do fail Because some of us just love to Cast our Red-looking spark and laugh while Sins run back to stealth and everyone else runs for their in game life. While Others like to Cast their harmless looking White spark and when u get hit by their attack u find out it was sage spark,u got one shot.

    I Forgot to mention Seekers Do have "combos" is not even a combo, but the one u will be using the most is Gemini slash combo cuz it deals more dmg. But Gemini slash has an 8 sec cooldown, so its not like u can keep doing combos and the dmg will increase. In addition with an Aps Seeker u will "debuff the enemies faster" so u will be able to cast w/e skill u gotta do to do more dmg.

    A very valid argument, but, APS doesnt have enough of a redeeming quality in my eye. And thinking like a seeker usually notates that you run and gun, instead of harry the damage like a BM or barb, because we lack personal healing skills. I do see the benefits of APS, I also see the greater benefit of creating a focal point that's more prominent to the classes speciality, being ranged power attacks. While we're similar to a barb or bm in the fact that we wear Heavy armor, we dont have the potential to compete with them in the aps ring, as we can only use swords. Against some classes, such as arcanes or non APS related classes however, yes, I see the benefit. Even you though have to see the detrament of an APS seeker vs an APS fist archer, barb, bm, sin.

    If you get into a punching match with an aps class you'll be wishing you had greater damage and armor instead of investing in the APS group of equipment.

    In duels I rarely use Gemini slash, its more of a coup de grace
  • Samsama - Harshlands
    Samsama - Harshlands Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A very valid argument, but, APS doesnt have enough of a redeeming quality in my eye. And thinking like a seeker usually notates that you run and gun, instead of harry the damage like a BM or barb, because we lack personal healing skills. I do see the benefits of APS, I also see the greater benefit of creating a focal point that's more prominent to the classes speciality, being ranged power attacks. While we're similar to a barb or bm in the fact that we wear Heavy armor, we dont have the potential to compete with them in the aps ring, as we can only use swords. Against some classes, such as arcanes or non APS related classes however, yes, I see the benefit. Even you though have to see the detrament of an APS seeker vs an APS fist archer, barb, bm, sin.

    If you get into a punching match with an aps class you'll be wishing you had greater damage and armor instead of investing in the APS group of equipment.

    In duels I rarely use Gemini slash, its more of a coup de gr

    Thats the logical approach. Today i 1v1 with a barb after i pked him i looked at his gear and he had full nirvana gear and i Rofl and pissed my pants cuz im only lvl 92. A sage Seeker could had never pked that barb because they dont have enough int. After i pked him i was running around and this R8 sin poped out and started attacking me, I pked him too with a few shots . So u cant say we cant compete Int wise. You also need to remember that against sins and bms ur debuffs are useless since theyr gona stun u before u could can cast ur gemini slash and their goes ur whole sage argument: since thats wat sage gives higher Debuff %. You people have to realize that Seekers are Like Archers. Just because Archers cant have 3.33 aps or 5aps with bow doesnt mean Demon and Aps build doesnt work. A seeker without channeling nor Int is gona fail miserably.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Where's all this Seeker pking going on? I have yet to find a high enough Seeker to fight. Apologies won't even get on his 16k hp Seeker to fight me.
  • vristion
    vristion Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    "A sage Seeker could had never pked that barb because they dont have enough int."

    You mean to tell me someone actually sat there and let you demon spark on them? I mean I am asking because if you just mean you won because you had some decent base -int, a sage can wear the same gear ijs... But if the dumbass actually sat there and let you spark on em, ANY class could own em....b:puzzled
  • Deadlife - Lost City
    Deadlife - Lost City Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Where's all this Seeker pking going on? I have yet to find a high enough Seeker to fight. Apologies won't even get on his 16k hp Seeker to fight me.

    cause everyone who has a seeker high enough to pk with you/vs you already has an alt thats much more efficient in that department....why pk on a seeker when you have a r8/9 sin or psy
  • Cadeal - Dreamweaver
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Samsama - Harshlands wrote: »
    Thats the logical approach. Today i 1v1 with a barb after i pked him i looked at his gear and he had full nirvana gear and i Rofl and pissed my pants cuz im only lvl 92. A sage Seeker could had never pked that barb because they dont have enough int. After i pked him i was running around and this R8 sin poped out and started attacking me, I pked him too with a few shots . So u cant say we cant compete Int wise. You also need to remember that against sins and bms ur debuffs are useless since theyr gona stun u before u could can cast ur gemini slash and their goes ur whole sage argument: since thats wat sage gives higher Debuff %. You people have to realize that Seekers are Like Archers. Just because Archers cant have 3.33 aps or 5aps with bow doesnt mean Demon and Aps build doesnt work. A seeker without channeling nor Int is gona fail miserably.

    As per standard, against a sin I usually fire off Blur before the fight starts. Understandable that in a PK format, you wont get that opportunity, but it's pretty effective keeping them away otherwise. Naturally a seeker has -channeling (which as sage, is a negative status filter), a tele stun much like a sin, and a run skill which surfaces as an anti stun, and is capable of refiring said stun and run skills with the use of another.

    Dont discount our skill talents in the frame of APS, we pack more of a punch per attack than an archer. Also (I've done this) if a lvl 100 wiz cant one shot a lvl 66 seeker with Bids, there's something there as well.

    A seeker needs to think like an archer, in PvP to not be discounted as a "poorly executed class," Demon, or sage. They're not like any other melee class applicable in the game, and do require strategy. At some point I will probably don my BM's armor, and test out how effective -int is, but to be honest, I'm having too much fun making my enemies explode, and watching them squirm with debuffs.

    I say that Sage, as always has the greater perks, it always has, it always will. But demon has the greater speed, and dirty tactics.

    But to be contrary, A sage seeker posesses 3 neg status filters, while a demon has one.
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited April 2011
    But to be contrary, A sage seeker posesses 3 neg status filters, while a demon has one

    A demon seeker in my faction regrets going demon now.... In TW while pots on CD, he spends more time stunned/immobolized making anything else he could do useless... His raging in vent is amusing tho.
  • Eraldus - Sanctuary
    Eraldus - Sanctuary Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Samsama - Harshlands wrote: »
    Thats the logical approach. Today i 1v1 with a barb after i pked him i looked at his gear and he had full nirvana gear and i Rofl and pissed my pants cuz im only lvl 92. A sage Seeker could had never pked that barb because they dont have enough int. After i pked him i was running around and this R8 sin poped out and started attacking me, I pked him too with a few shots . So u cant say we cant compete Int wise. You also need to remember that against sins and bms ur debuffs are useless since theyr gona stun u before u could can cast ur gemini slash and their goes ur whole sage argument: since thats wat sage gives higher Debuff %. You people have to realize that Seekers are Like Archers. Just because Archers cant have 3.33 aps or 5aps with bow doesnt mean Demon and Aps build doesnt work. A seeker without channeling nor Int is gona fail miserably.

    The best part when dueling those aps who*** is when you seal then, get a bit far away and nuke then to death and watch them rage. Sins are the funniest so far.
    Retired...

    Reasons? Packs, rank gear, picky greedy players, the list goes on b:bye
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Deadlife - Lost City wrote: »
    cause everyone who has a seeker high enough to pk with you/vs you already has an alt thats much more efficient in that department....why pk on a seeker when you have a r8/9 sin or psy

    Because I want to fight a Seeker, not a main. I hear all the talk by Seeker about Seeker's good at PvP, I just want some proof.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Because I want to fight a Seeker, not a main. I hear all the talk by Seeker about Seeker's good at PvP, I just want some proof.

    a seeker with anti-stun or his target incapacitated in some form can do great damage.

    a seeker with his anti-stun on CD is just a walking punching clown b:sad
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • Cadeal - Dreamweaver
    Cadeal - Dreamweaver Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Because I want to fight a Seeker, not a main. I hear all the talk by Seeker about Seeker's good at PvP, I just want some proof.

    Of course you're going to see this in the seeker fourms. I think you're lost, the sin forums is here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=111

    Along with the rest of the Q.Q, nerf, sin, and aps threads b:chuckle
  • Samsama - Harshlands
    Samsama - Harshlands Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    vristion wrote: »
    "A sage Seeker could had never pked that barb because they dont have enough int."

    You mean to tell me someone actually sat there and let you demon spark on them? I mean I am asking because if you just mean you won because you had some decent base -int, a sage can wear the same gear ijs... But if the dumbass actually sat there and let you spark on em, ANY class could own em....b:puzzled


    Barbs Dont have Stun lock but they have this annoying stun skill that Just Set off ur rythm mr smarty pants. Sins Rely immobilize skill and occult ice rather then actual Stuns. Even If Sage seeker had the same [-INT] as me, if i demon spark i i will have higher APS. who's the dumbass now?

    Just so you know -Int and APS are two different things. should i Teach about it? cuz ur making urself look like a nub.

    Oh i almost forgot (Sarcasm) There also pots you can Forge through apothecary that Prevent u from being stun or immobilized...so yeah...you might wana look that up....

    To conclude you shouldn't really blame people because they let me Spark, it happens. you shouldn't really call people a dumbass cuz u just made urself look like one b:sad

    BTW I JUST BE TROLLING
  • Samsama - Harshlands
    Samsama - Harshlands Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Where's all this Seeker pking going on? I have yet to find a high enough Seeker to fight. Apologies won't even get on his 16k hp Seeker to fight me.

    Ur gona get ur behind handed to you LAWL and Apologies Seeker is soo OP cuz hes/she w/e IT is, Is using IT's BM's Armor. b:shocked

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