A Question For The Full R9 Archers with G15 Nirvana
Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
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I've looked at the damage difference on paper between the two bows with R9 arrmour, the difference is ~200 difference in physical attack and 50 attack levels at +10. My question is in practice, how much difference in damage is it?
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im going to say a lot seeing that a r9 crit hit can almost 1 shot every classs minus seekers, bm, and barb... and even they will fall in about 3 to 4 shots... the +50 attack stacked withthe jones blessing just is too much to over come... so im going to say 1 to 1.5k harder on a player with a normal shot...0
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SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »im going to say a lot seeing that a r9 crit hit can almost 1 shot every classs minus seekers, bm, and barb... and even they will fall in about 3 to 4 shots... the +50 attack stacked withthe jones blessing just is too much to over come... so im going to say 1 to 1.5k harder on a player with a normal shot...
I want actual damages from R9 archers. I can guestimate myself, thanks for the offer.0 -
My R9 bow did around 25% more damage than nirvana and getting full R9 was another 25% or so.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »50 attack levels
I believe there's your answer.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Man you're so wittyShandelzare - Sanctuary wrote: »I believe there's your answer.
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I believe there's your answer.Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »I want actual damages from R9 archers. I can guestimate myself, thanks for the offer.0 -
Shandelzare - Sanctuary wrote: »I believe there's your answer.
50 attack levels isn't the same in practice as it is on paper.
Thanks Asterelle.0 -
Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »50 attack levels isn't the same in practice as it is on paper.
The effect of attack levels, I think, depends on your target?
Or am I missing something?0 -
Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »I've looked at the damage difference on paper between the two bows with R9 arrmour, the difference is ~200 difference in physical attack and 50 attack levels at +10. My question is in practice, how much difference in damage is it?
The attack level difference is a bit higher than 50:
Nirvana full set gives +5 attack level.
Rank 9 full set gives:
+30 (Bow)
+10 (Gear x 4)
+20 (Gear x 6)
+3 (Belt)
+63 Total
The difference is actually 58 attack levels.
Furthermore a full decked out rank 9 archer can take advantage of the nirvana attack level bonus.
Compare:
http://pwcalc.com/62509252f846aa36
With:
http://pwcalc.com/0714475db8f38a25
As for actual attacks, it depends on the player your fighting. If your fighting someone with 0 defense levels with a +12 rank 9 bow and full set the damage is typically about 2200~3000 uncritted damage more than the Nirvana bow (that includes the Jones blessing.)
Hence why many Nirvana G15 archers on Lost City have already or are in the progress of making the switch to a full rank 9 set.0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »The effect of attack levels, I think, depends on your target?
Or am I missing something?angellicdeity wrote: »The attack level difference is a bit higher than 50:
Nirvana full set gives +5 attack level.
Rank 9 full set gives:
+30 (Bow)
+10 (Gear x 4)
+20 (Gear x 6)
+3 (Belt)
+63 Total
The difference is actually 58 attack levels.
Furthermore a full decked out rank 9 archer can take advantage of the nirvana attack level bonus.
Compare:
http://pwcalc.com/62509252f846aa36
With:
http://pwcalc.com/0714475db8f38a25
As for actual attacks, it depends on the player your fighting. If your fighting someone with 0 defense levels with a +12 rank 9 bow and full set the damage is typically about 2200~3000 uncritted damage more than the Nirvana bow (that includes the Jones blessing.)
Hence why many Nirvana G15 archers on Lost City have already or are in the progress of making the switch to a full rank 9 set.
You compared full NV vs full R9,i was wondering about the dmg difference when both are using R9 armour, just different bows.
2k-3k uncritted damage seems alot when my faction leader (with just R9 bow +10) hits around 2.5ks normally. Just say the bow deals 4k at +12 with full R9, that means a NV bow would be hitting 1000s?
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Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »You compared full NV vs full R9,i was wondering about the dmg difference when both are using R9 armour, just different bows.
2k-3k uncritted damage seems alot when my faction leader (with just R9 bow +10) hits around 2.5ks normally. Just say the bow deals 4k at +12 with full R9, that means a NV bow would be hitting 1000s?
Depends on who your fighting. Against heavies using thunder techniques buffed and with +10 magic ornaments your damage is in the 3-5K range un-critted, as a +12 Rank 9.
+12 NV bow damage is near 1.5-2.6K.
This is not taking into account any other amps you can use, using your genie.
Against heavily refined wizards with Stone Barrier the same above applies.
For the other classes you'll generally hit 5-8K uncritted as most other classes except archer or sin will shard Jades.0 -
What about a Warsoul bow with R9 armor? b:avoid101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »What about a Warsoul bow with R9 armor? b:avoid
Do you mean like this?
http://pwcalc.com/0f7ed6ebb1009b54
http://pwcalc.com/5bee5e1ea7c4f405
If so, you get the same attack levels, either way. Warsoul gives you a flat +50 attack level bonus, where rank 9 gives you a 30 flat bonus and if you have the full set also gives you an extra +20 set bonus
If you had a warsoul bow you would get a slightly higher crit chance and a slightly lower physical attack than you would if you had a rank 9 bow.
And, of course, if you have a rank 9, you also get the spirit blackhole weapon skill.
The advantage of warsoul would be that you can combine it with non-rank-9 armor and still retain most of your attack levels. This might be particularly effective for you with -interval armor.
Rank 9 is probably the best defensive armor an archer can wear, but for offensive purposes, your lack of interval would not be totally compensated for by its extra attack levels. Then again, a big lure of high attack interval with a rank 9 bow would be that you can increase your odds of getting an early spirit blackhole, and the warsoul bow will never get that.0 -
I wouldn't say the warsoul bow works well with a -interval build when the R9 bow comes with -.1 interval and the warsoul bow has none.
The R9 bow is a modern bow designed with stats that archers really want on their weapons. The warsoul bow is primitive by comparison... who would ever want distract on their weapon?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Distract might've been something in the old days with no Purge, no Jones, and fights against heavies took like 20min of kiting and ticking...but then again if you had 50 attack levels with that bow ...Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »I wouldn't say the warsoul bow works well with a -interval build when the R9 bow comes with -.1 interval and the warsoul bow has none.
Oh, yes, I forgot about that part. (Thank you.)
Still, if you wear full rank 9, you are giving up -0.2 interval from your armor (you lose two tt99 set bonuses and you lose your blouse bonus). That winds up being a net -0.1 interval difference...
If warsoul prices fell radically, or if warsoul got upgraded somehow, I could imagine that interval issue tipping the balance enough for some people that they would just skip rank 9. That you can use warsoul to level and you can trade it would also add some significant value, I imagine.
And, when you stack distract with our metal debuff, how much metal defense does that leave someone?
(Meanwhile, for people using the rank 9 bow, the offensive difference between full rank 9 and minimal rank 9 can be: full rank 9 gives you +33 attack levels, +1% critical hit, and +14 dexterity where minimal rank 9 would give you the -0.2 interval -- in terms of dps with normal attacks they work out to be surprisingly close to each other but each approach has its own perks.)0 -
Here are some damages i did on a few 100+ characters using full r9.
on that note interval doesnt help an archer much unless you get a huge stack of it. (takes .1 just to get the bow from .67 to .71 and every possible interval gear on just to get 1.05 aps unsparked)[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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I was under the impression this thread was asking how hard an r9 bow can hit on a reliable scale, not how high you can get the number to be with debuffs/crits/sparks. After you don't get a very accurate guesstimate if you only check the maximum.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The question is, how much is Distract? On a fully buffed opponent, does Distract + Metal Debuff leave people with a lower metal mdef than Purge + Metal Debuff?Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Purge and metal debuff is higher then distract and metal debuff.
No such thing as a reliable range Ive hit people anywhere from 6k noncrit to 18k crit unbuffed[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
Ty Fon for the Siggy
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Of course there's a reliable range. In theory that is the number on your p.attack stats. The OP was asking how those numbers translate into practice. This means instead of posting your biggest e-peen booster, you should guesstimate your normal hit range.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Those werent my highest I just did those... but keep thinking that
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No? The different background colors do not indicate that you were doing different things when you took those screenshots? And you just randomly take screenshots of your very random damages for no reason? Uh huh. It doesn't really matter to me if they are your "highest" or not, I am merely pointing out that posting your e-peen shots is not productive, but keep thinking people care.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Typical lurker trying to take it off topic and troll he asked for damages. the high and low end of archers damage isnt a ballpark figure you can just "guestimate" and saw the post earlier so i took some as i was doing things rather then sitting on the forums trying to bash others
But stay in the ignorant bliss your in.[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Typical lurker trying to take it off topic and troll he asked for damages. the high and low end of archers damage isnt a ballpark figure you can just "guestimate" and saw the post earlier so i took some as i was doing things rather then trying to bash others
But stay in the ignorant bliss your in.
Did you with 9 posts just call me a lurker? I rest my case that you're an idiot.
Apparently you don't even lurk enough to know that I wasn't bashing you at the start. But hey, idiots are always paranoid that others are ridiculing them, so I guess I can't blame you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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you just proved my point go out and have some fun. you might enjoy life more. b:chuckle[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
Ty Fon for the Siggy
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What was your point?
Because if your point was anything about me, then you're the one who went off topic. Stop owning yourself please, it's embarrassing.
And you're stalking this post pretty hard for someone who just told someone else to go out some more.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »No? The different background colors do not indicate that you were doing different things when you took those screenshots? And you just randomly take screenshots of your very random damages for no reason? Uh huh. It doesn't really matter to me if they are your "highest" or not, I am merely pointing out that posting your e-peen shots is not productive, but keep thinking people care.
But pointing out that e-peen shots is not productive is not productive, and neither is pointing out the lack of productivity in pointing out the lack of productivity in pointing out the lack of productivity in e-peen shots!
Clearly, we need to be finding some fertile e-peens!
Ahem.. sorry... so... actually... to be useful, we would need some additional detail, we would need stuff like defender defenses, and defense levels, and we would need attacker attack levels (just in case they changed from shot to shot), and we would need to know the type of shot (because quickshot would not be deadlyshot, or something), and we would need to know active buffs for everyone involved, along with all of their active debuffs, and we would need to know whether the shot was a critical hit or not, and we would have to have statistics over a wide range of experiments, so that we could determine damage range and eventually we could figure out how damage works in this game!
(except, we already have that, so maybe my idea was not very productive after all)
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Well excuse me, if I see stupid I say stupid. I can't exactly claim all 1.7K of my posts are "productive." The part you quoted was obviously me calling BS on an idiot's lies.
Also she's just not the sharpest arrow in the quiver when it comes to HT's r9 archers.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Purge and metal debuff is higher then distract and metal debuff.
Not if the target is already purged... or is unbuffedQuilue - Sanctuary wrote: »The question is, how much is Distract? On a fully buffed opponent, does Distract + Metal Debuff leave people with a lower metal mdef than Purge + Metal Debuff?
From what I can recall (although its been a while)... my bow's distract does not cancel out a cleric's magic defense buff. So in that aspect purge is better then distract. Another is the chance of each add on's effect. advance purge should be around 8%... while distract is 5% or less.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not if the target is already purged... or is unbuffed
From what I can recall (although its been a while)... my bow's distract does not cancel out a cleric's magic defense buff. So in that aspect purge is better then distract. Another is the chance of each add on's effect. advance purge should be around 8%... while distract is 5% or less.
Scenario given was against fully buffed.Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »The question is, how much is Distract? On a fully buffed opponent, does Distract + Metal Debuff leave people with a lower metal mdef than Purge + Metal Debuff?
R9 bow will give the same attack level as the warsoul when in full rank9 since 6/6 gives 20 attack level + 30 from the bow = 50. So the Advantages of Purge would be more useful for BoA for instance in tw since BoA is phsyical damage and it could purge their pdef buffs.
And the troll is still trying so hard. I think someones jealous :< (funny though since theres only 3 r9 archers in the server that ive seen Myself Mastema and TinyBee or w/e his/her name is)[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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