Warning new players: Clerics are dead.

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Only demon res can recover 100% hp. Sage only reduces exp loss by 95%.

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Demon res recovers 100% hp and saves you a charm tick. So instead of getting 1-2 shot again, you have enough time to buff and survive a lot more hit

O.o so what exactly did i miss here? Edit: nvm ._. was about mystics skills, sorry lol

Maybe some people should check out the document here Cleric DEMON SAGE Skills ijs...

Again for other Clerics, who might dont know it.

SAGE/DEMON REVIVE = 0% exp loss

SAGE Revive = rez within 40 meters (in TW usefull)
DEMON Revive = rez channel cut to 50% (in PvE usefull)

And for this topic...i still see only wc calling for Clerics. So how exactly did they "die"?
Like any squad would take a mystic to heal at tt1-x, 2-x, 3-x

Or do you think that buffs+bb+stronger aoe heals+stronger IH can compete with mystics heals.

I will admit that after playing a mystic for 61 levels, they CAN heal in certain instances (BH and FC for example), but it's much more difficult, mana costly (Yes, I know mana cost isn't really worth mentioning after 75, but I'd rather use 10 Herb Yuanxiao than 50, ijs), and more stressful.

While their Break in the Clouds might be better than a Cleric's Wellspring, it's their only main heal. It's like going and healing a barb on General Feng with Wellspring, good luck.

The fact that they can res is nice, but it has to be cast on each player before they die. Meaning if you're standing in for a cleric, that's 6 x 2660 = 15960mp (or if sage/demon res, 6 x 2900 = 17400mp) that you'll be spending every 30 minutes just for a safety precaution basically. I'd rather spend 960mp (1500 if sage/demon) any time someone actually dies.

And while a mystic with sage BitC has the addition of being able to purify, it's a pretty low chance. And there are some debuffs that people either need, or would greatly appreciate being purified immediately, not 10-20 seconds down the road when the sage add procs.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And for this topic...i still see only wc calling for Clerics. So how exactly did they "die"?
Like any squad would take a mystic to heal at tt1-x, 2-x, 3-x

Or do you think that buffs+bb+stronger aoe heals+stronger IH can compete with mystics heals.

Well, I don't deny clerics being the best healing class, simply because they were designed for it. Yet, I must make some things clear.

I can solo heal perfectly fine any TT up to 2-3 (never tried after that tho, 3-1 may be ok, but I wouldn't try to solo heal after that). Yes, even wurlord and feng in 2-3. And the barb was lvl 92 with very average gears (mainly 80s molds and tt90). Yes I'm lvl 100, R8 and pure mag, but well I totally made it and none died on the full run (me, the 92 barb, a 90s axe bm and a wiz) but ofc we didn't do Belial -.- Even on my cleric I cannot solo heal that without a 2nd cleric (my cleric being R8 too) xD
Vital herb + falling petals + regular heal and a shell from Salvation once in a while for the special attack. I even saved the wiz's butt when he drawed aggro on wurlord.
Someone said in another post something about Feng. Well, I constaly had my vital herb out and only used Falling Petals once in a while on the barb and everyone was constantly at max hp, which let me DD at my heart's content.
And yeah we didn't have cleric buffs. But we made it without them. Even if I totally agree cleric buffs are pro.

Beside that, I can solo heal FCs and BHs up to 89 too. I have -45% chan and the sage basic heal. So it takes me around 0.25 sec to channel one of my basic heal, and I'm fairly lucky with the purify proc rate. Despite the CD of 1 sec on the skill, even if I don't have a 100% purify, it's still of much help on things that don't need a purify at the even second it lands on the tank.

Oh, and idk many clerics that can solo Krimson btw. Yeah, I made it two days ago, without any pet tanking, just myself. The shell that the shield summon gives when leeched + the vital herb out were totally enough to keep me alive during the 10 seconds it took me to take him down.

I'm telling you what I can do because I'm totally getting sick of seeing so many ppl hating, underestimating or despising mystics like we were an "half class" or something not able to do much but standing here to look pretty.

^+1 because thats what counts in a game

Silverish - Sanctuary wrote: »

- mp cost for cleric is absolutely lower than mystic.
- cleric buffs are the best. Mystic? Ress buff for cleric so cleric dont have to go to town.
- cleric purify is 100%. Mystic? 25%?
- cleric ress, very useful when more than 1 ppl die/squad wipe, while the tank lure the boss/mobs by running, cleric can ress all squad members that died. Mystic? no.
- BB reduce 50% damage for all squad members, while healing every 5 secs. Who else can do this?

Although mystic can heal as good as cleric, they cant buff, debuff, purify and BB as good as cleric. And dont forget the mp cost.

Well i guess they can debuff , their plants can inflict debuffs (either defence drop and attack/cast drop) or ( attack dmg / mag dmg and slow) . just not on a 100% rate as clerics venos seekers and other classes can.

Cleric wont die , it may not be needed in some "endgame" things that much , but certainly the class wont die

clerics i like am a barb tank keep me alive

Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well, I don't deny clerics being the best healing class, simply because they were designed for it. Yet, I must make some things clear.

I can solo heal perfectly fine any TT up to 2-3 (never tried after that tho, 3-1 may be ok, but I wouldn't try to solo heal after that). Yes, even wurlord and feng in 2-3. And the barb was lvl 92 with very average gears (mainly 80s molds and tt90). Yes I'm lvl 100, R8 and pure mag, but well I totally made it and none died on the full run (me, the 92 barb, a 90s axe bm and a wiz) but ofc we didn't do Belial -.- Even on my cleric I cannot solo heal that without a 2nd cleric (my cleric being R8 too) xD
Vital herb + falling petals + regular heal and a shell from Salvation once in a while for the special attack. I even saved the wiz's butt when he drawed aggro on wurlord.
Someone said in another post something about Feng. Well, I constaly had my vital herb out and only used Falling Petals once in a while on the barb and everyone was constantly at max hp, which let me DD at my heart's content.
And yeah we didn't have cleric buffs. But we made it without them. Even if I totally agree cleric buffs are pro.

Beside that, I can solo heal FCs and BHs up to 89 too. I have -45% chan and the sage basic heal. So it takes me around 0.25 sec to channel one of my basic heal, and I'm fairly lucky with the purify proc rate. Despite the CD of 1 sec on the skill, even if I don't have a 100% purify, it's still of much help on things that don't need a purify at the even second it lands on the tank.

Oh, and idk many clerics that can solo Krimson btw. Yeah, I made it two days ago, without any pet tanking, just myself. The shell that the shield summon gives when leeched + the vital herb out were totally enough to keep me alive during the 10 seconds it took me to take him down.

I'm telling you what I can do because I'm totally getting sick of seeing so many ppl hating, underestimating or despising mystics like we were an "half class" or something not able to do much but standing here to look pretty.

Sorry, but imo your examples have no value b:surrender or maybe i m to strickt, but thing is we are talking here a cleric vs. mystic at equal level, not lvl100 mystic against lvl60 cleric.

If they have to chose between lvl60 cleric and lvl60 mystic for TT1-1/2. noone would take a mystic, cause they need strong BB to survive AOE at drummer..etc. (i mean equal level to equal instances). i can tank drake at lvl90 as cleric, but it doesnt make me a better barb...ijs.

i like mystics and i love their support heals. they are way more small clerics than venos. and i do think they are usefull especially in TT3-x. Everyone wants a second cleric but they are hard to get. one cleric+mystic and you can kick asses.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Everyone wants a second cleric but they are hard to get. one cleric+mystic and you can kick asses.

This. +1

Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We do have a 100% rate if we explode the plants. Oh, and the mdef/pdef debuff plant is an aoe if we explode it, which is so useful in Delta !
Btw, about BB: if we combine our healing plants, it heals as much as BB does every secs, but for us it's every sec. I guess it makes up for the lack of damage reduction.

Nice debuff from mystic
Sure mystic could join party, along with cleric.

BB: Perhaps your healing combination will cover the damage reduction, but still, will not cover the armor repair cost. Damage reduction means less damage taken, equal to less armor repair cost.

I think mystic makes supportive thing become perfect. It was only cleric that support, and mystic now covers what cleric cant do.

Healladiin, I think you referenced the wrong player.

Jerrym - Raging Tide wrote: »

clerics i like am a barb tank keep me alive

See this guy gets it.

Cleric vs. Mystic? Sounds familiar...*digs through old posts*

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

My view:

In a non-BB needing situation-

Mystics wont replace clerics
RICH Mystics will replace clerics
[snip.]

IMO, Decep summed it up before mystics even came out. Both can get the job done in almost every circumstance. I do give clerics the edge on the BB scenarios though. While a mystic may be able to heal as much, that damage reduction can mean the difference between being a one-shot or surviving long enough to get the heals.

The purify scenario is really the only other point that could be argued IMO, but at 89+ there is a self purify and pots/genie skills/etc can make the situation manageable as well. Easier with a cleric, but not impossible without.

As far as the "clerics are dead" topic, if my nooby alt cleric can't go for 10 minutes without being asked to help out on an FF/TT/BH/FB/RB/WB/W.E, then no, clerics most certainly aren't dead.

lol, i was in a group with 3 clerics, one BB'd, One Debuffed and DD, and the other RB'd. Clerics are also extremley good DD's if pure magic. To say they are useless, is a fail.

(Now Completely off topic, since this is a trolls thread)

I did meet a lvl100 cleric that refused to heal in bh59 on my barb today. Didn't heal us once. Had to rely on the mystics heals. I mean, if your not going to heal people when they are about to die, and want to DD, Roll a Sin ffs lol.

Well, If they know the cleric will not heal, then they should not be in situations where they might die.

Thing's don't always go as planned. Like a boss aoes, and someone is to close. Or someone accidently gets to close to a mob that was ment to be skipped. From what i gathered, she wanted out of the instance fast, and by doing what she did, she just made it go slower for herself. >.<"

Also, i was informed after i almost died that, Quote: "I don't tend to heal people" lol.

PS: This isnt a rage against cleric's, i love cleric's b:dirty

OODefianceOo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol, i was in a group with 3 clerics, one BB'd, One Debuffed and DD, and the other RB'd. Clerics are also extremley good DD's if pure magic. To say they are useless, is a fail.

(Now Completely off topic, since this is a trolls thread)

I did meet a lvl100 cleric that refused to heal in bh59 on my barb today. Didn't heal us once. Had to rely on the mystics heals. I mean, if your not going to heal people when they are about to die, and want to DD, Roll a Sin ffs lol.

She is a meanie b:chuckle
But I personally don't heal in lower lvl instances UNLESS someone gets hit in a way or another like luring a mob I'm not attacking because I usually have all the aggro ._.