How does Bloodpaint work exactly?

kyouchou
kyouchou Posts: 7 Arc User
edited April 2011 in Assassin
Hi everyone,

I've never played an Assassin before, and I'm wanting to maybe start one, so I've been looking through skills and descriptions, and builds, and other information, and I have a few questions...

According to the description, Bloodpaint "absorbs" 2% of damage. Now from what I've read on the forums and a couple of other places, this actually means that you are healed by 2% of the amount of your damage output. But I'm confused about a couple if things with it...

1. Does the healing trigger on total damage, including skill damage, or does it only trigger on weapon damage?

2. Does it trigger on skill attack at all? (Obviously, if it triggers on skill damage, then it must trigger on skill attacks, so this question may be irrelevant, depending on the answer to question 1).

3. If it does trigger on skill attacks *and* on full skill damage, then obviously you would get the greatest amount of healing by having the highest possible DPS, so does an APS Sin have higher DPS, or does a DPH Sin have higher overall DPS, or does some sort of hybrid have the highest DPS? (And again, it should be obvious that if Bloodpaint does *not* trigger on skills or on full skill damage, then the healing would be served best by a 5APS build).

I just want to understand the mechanics a little better.

Thanks,
Kyouchou
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  • Wunderkind - Dreamweaver
    Wunderkind - Dreamweaver Posts: 315 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    kyouchou wrote: »
    Hi everyone,

    I've never played an Assassin before, and I'm wanting to maybe start one, so I've been looking through skills and descriptions, and builds, and other information, and I have a few questions...

    According to the description, Bloodpaint "absorbs" 2% of damage. Now from what I've read on the forums and a couple of other places, this actually means that you are healed by 2% of the amount of your damage output. But I'm confused about a couple if things with it...

    1. Does the healing trigger on total damage, including skill damage, or does it only trigger on weapon damage?

    2. Does it trigger on skill attack at all? (Obviously, if it triggers on skill damage, then it must trigger on skill attacks, so this question may be irrelevant, depending on the answer to question 1).

    3. If it does trigger on skill attacks *and* on full skill damage, then obviously you would get the greatest amount of healing by having the highest possible DPS, so does an APS Sin have higher DPS, or does a DPH Sin have higher overall DPS, or does some sort of hybrid have the highest DPS? (And again, it should be obvious that if Bloodpaint does *not* trigger on skills or on full skill damage, then the healing would be served best by a 5APS build).

    I just want to understand the mechanics a little better.

    Thanks,
    Kyouchou

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  • kyouchou
    kyouchou Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Awesome, thanks much.

    Also, when you or anyone else under the effects of Bloodpaint (such as a Seeker) use an AoE skill, like Subsea Strike, do you get healed for each target hit, or just once?
  • Sneakret - Heavens Tear
    Sneakret - Heavens Tear Posts: 618 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    You will be compensated in health for every target hit. So yes bp can be used in aoe to gain hp back.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    As it has already been answered, I guess I will word it in another way.

    As long as it is a melee hit, it will heal you.

    Example:

    30 mobs in an FC pull
    You physical AoE them with BP on
    You hit 15,000 per mob

    15,000 * .02 = 300 * 30 = 9000 health healed.

    And you will be spammed with "Bloodsuck 300" above your character's head for a while.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    And you will be spammed with "Bloodsuck 300" above your character's head for a while.
    Few things are sexier b:dirty
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  • Firefeng - Dreamweaver
    Firefeng - Dreamweaver Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Few things are sexier b:dirty

    Until you start AoEing for 100k+ per mob. That's sexier.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I don't have Condensed Thorn yet, but does the added magic damage come back to you as paint heal? Or is it only physical damage absorbed?
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't have Condensed Thorn yet, but does the added magic damage come back to you as paint heal? Or is it only physical damage absorbed?

    Any damage that shows up in your damage log while using a melee weapon counts. This means added magic damage is included but damage over time effects are not.
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  • LeiMai - Raging Tide
    LeiMai - Raging Tide Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Few things are sexier b:dirty

    Spam of "Bloodsuck 1000+" is sexier b:dirty

    I wanna AOE for 100k+ per mob...

    And as for question 3, any damage you do gives hp back so a DPS sin would probably have the highest advantage. Alot of people just build APS sins and dont seem to think about it, but Damage > Speed...

    And just two other notes, Sage Bloodpaint's description is worded incorrectly, it says "The health absorbing effect is increased by 3%" it is actually "to 3%". You may have already known that though :)

    And when I have bloodpaint on my seeker, those mobs better watch out! BP + Vortex, also very sexy b:dirty can do the tanking and DDing for the exp room in FC clericless at 80 in two halfs just with regular BP on lol...makes me wish sin and seeker were on different accounts so I could buff myself with Sage BP and try stuff out b:dirty
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I meant just Bloodsuck spam from massive aoe in general b:surrender
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I'm wondering...

    Can Seekers solo pulls in FC? Since they have BP, they could just gather up a pull, and just vortex away right?
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  • Wunderkind - Dreamweaver
    Wunderkind - Dreamweaver Posts: 315 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm wondering...

    Can Seekers solo pulls in FC? Since they have BP, they could just gather up a pull, and just vortex away right?

    Been pulling half a room in FC since level 83. b:victory
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I've seen a 9x seeker pull FCC better than most barbs I've run withb:shocked
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm wondering...

    Can Seekers solo pulls in FC? Since they have BP, they could just gather up a pull, and just vortex away right?

    Yep, they just need to survive on theyr own until they get Vortext up and running.
    Which usually isn't a problem, seeing as Seeker is HA and has defence lvl buf
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