Psy or Wiz at R8

Wizards are and always will be late bloomers. They have 500% weapon damage skills and a 100% physical defense shield. The higher weapon damage and physical defense on armor goes, the stronger a wizard becomes.

Having said that, wizzies are strong end-game because they can literally one shot everything. I remember days when surviving Perdition with White Voodoo and Soul of Retaliation felt pr0, now it's like a walk in the park and I probably don't even need white. Wizard skills though, might pierce through both. This ability has limited practicality though, as Wizards generally only need to hit 12ks on barbs and maybe BMs; for everyone else this is 5-6k damage overkill and a waste of time charging up such a long spell when a quicker, lower damage one would've been much cleaner. HOWEVER, this does make Wizards key players. Wizards are who you rely on to bring down catas in TW and Wizards are one of those classes that, no matter what beast of an enemy they go up against, they have a good chance.

Psy on the other hand, is a good all around PVPer and very tricky to deal with. As I said before, sometimes wizard spells aren't very practical for PVP: why do I need a 5-second cast spell that deals 12k damage when this sin only has 5k and could be killed in 1 second? Psy is more practical for various situations, with one downside. A wizard's defense is pure defense: he won't lose it and he can rely on it. A Psy on the other hand, has no defense. Our defense is composed of strategy, basically. We have the joker card and the ace in the hole that we can play to get us out of a pinch, but if it's over and our opponent is still standing, then we're in trouble.
Psy ISN'T specialized like Wiz though, so we're not deadly important for TW. Don't get me wrong, we're still good at TW and can be very deadly on the battlefield, but what I mean is, when there's a Barb with 40k HP and 70-something defense levels, they'll call the Wizard, not the Psy. (technically we could with the level 100 AOE, but the wizard is still a safer, more reliable choice as we still don't hit QUITE as high) Psy on the other hand is out on the field just like any archer is, and being a DD in TW is a fun job for sure.
Psy with +12 gear however is one tough opponent, and only someone that has REALLY done their homework on the class will be able to take it down.


If you have a Psy and Wiz at 100 though and just wonder which to give r8 though? Give it to the Wizard. The wizard will gain far more benefit from the damage increase on the weapon, whereas the Psy gains most benefit from soulforce, which requires refines, not pr0 gear. Hell, you could stick a Psy in level 10 armor and +12 it and he'd still be a decent opponent.

Deathfreeze - Harshlands wrote: »

thats pretty good advice long cause im kinda ina similar situation with my psy, i got it to lvl 92 and it already has r8 rep on it but i find it dies alot and well yes the damage from r8 weap is pretty well rounded but its no use if u cant survive to use that damage.

You can't use r8 wep at level 92.

Psychic's are the court jesters of mass PvP.

It's a juggling act on the highwire. Get on your unicycle and start throwing buffs around, and stay over the safety net.

(if you are having trouble surviving, practice soloing PvE instances, if you can survive pulling in FC or killing TT bosses by yourself you will do better in TW)

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hi

after i got my r8 i met with a psy friend als with r8 and we compared dmg and killed some mobs and did some testings.

The dmg tests showed that:

a) in black voodoo the psychic did more dmg with a hit than my wiz because the black voodoo attack lvl boost outweighs the % weapon dmg of the wiz

b) the attacks of the psychic are a lot faster so especially in PvE it was 90% of time my psy friend who stunned or slowed the mobs because the wiz chi generation and consumption is higher than the psy.

c) the wizards 2 spark aoes are harder to get in but the larger AOE effect is noticeable

d)undine helped boosting the dmg of the wiz but when a target is debuffed with undine the psy still does more dmg on it

Personally i like my wiz but you have to be aware that those things often mentioned here like defense from stone barrier only work if you have good gear and high refines with medium gear skillbased immunity and soulforcer skills work a lot better

greetz harm0wnie

a) Maybe.

b) No. Mages benefit more from -chan since psy's skills are locked in cast time. Therefore, if you have no -chan maybe. And wizards gain chi faster as pyro gives 15 chi with a chance to proc and give another 30 chi (for sage) while both spam skills for psy give only 10 chi and it's unlikely they'll have lvl 11 spam skills.

c) Yes.

d) See #1.

Last note: No. Stone barrier is best in almost all cases except when you're getting ganked by a group of melees. You can't cast psy will when you're stunned whereas stone barrier is always active.

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

d)undine helped boosting the dmg of the wiz but when a target is debuffed with undine the psy still does more dmg on it

A psy's attacks are earth and water.
Undine debufs earth,water, fire. So undine doesn't only boost wizzy dmg, it boosts psy dmg by the exact same amount

Well, you are asking who gets the most damage out of an r8, of course wizard is going to do more damage because that's what it is meant to do. Damage isn't what makes psychics stand out, what makes psychics so great is that you punish people just from attacking you harshly and **** up heals.

In tw, psychics have a different defense than a mage. Less people will try to attack a psychic than a wizard, some people might wait a second before trying to attack a fully souled psychic and in that time you can use red tide which really hurts if you have high refines. When someone sees a mage, they are going to pile them without a second thought, and face it, earth barrier isn't going to protect you from archers, sins, bms, seekers or even barbs very well.

The stab attacks on a psychic are more stronger because of black voodoo, and leveling up you are going to be using them a lot. Endgame with full refines, the mage might be stronger with the pyro and gush I never got them endgame. So leveling up grinding and quests is more easy on a psychic, and their knock back isn't aoe helping them a bit more. People may yell at me for this but I also love bubble of life on a psychic, with empowered vigor it's pretty good for a class obviously not meant to be a healing class and as a bonus it heals group members. I wouldn't recommend being a main healer of course, the mana cost is pretty high and so is the cool down, and it doesn't heal THAT well. Their soul shields are their main defense, you don't need to target to stun, damage, silence or rebound debuffs, you just have to be attacked which in most cases would be more effective since not being attacked for up to 15 seconds (with sage soul of stunning and all +12 gear good luck getting all that) is better than 100% increase in p.defense.

Mages are a magic damage dealer. They have great burst damage but slow cast speed. They do the most damage one shotting a lot of classes if they survive long enough to pull it off. They also can spam high casting time spells for a short time by using essential sutra to cause high damage and debuffs very fast. They may also have faster casting speed with stab spells if they use -chan items, though they are still limited due to cool downs. Also their only party buff, frost blade, is one of the most useless buff ever. Only place mages seem to be very good in is tw and foxies.

Overall, I say Psychic for psychological/revenge defense and fast casting speed and mage for seeing giant numbers on the screen. Though try not to take my word for everything, I haven't played either class at endgame so I could be wrong on a number of things.

I did a full mage nirvana last night. 1 +12 stage 2 lunar nirvana cleric, 1 +10 r8 psy, 1 veno, 1 seeker, 1 +12 r9 wiz and I (+12 r9 psy).

I tanked the whole nirvana... b:victory

I've recently hit r8 psy. Last week I had my first r8 TW - it was crazy!
Refine + hp shard you're gear semi-decent to avoid an easy one shot (mine is mostly +5/flawless). Whack a lil hp charm on and your set to be a aoe machine.

Admittedly the faction we fought were slightly weaker, but it was a fairly even fight. I checked my kills after the TW and saw I dropped between 60-70 in that one TW. Just charge through with the offence squad and blast aoe after aoe. It's almost none stop. When your targeted by a sin, AD/Psy will and drop them. I only died 3 times.

My psy is nothing extraordinary. Lvl 100 - r8 - around 4k hp. But TW for a psy is the way forward... Bring on the r9 (where are those medals at?)