Regarding the "Top 52" Thread

Seraphim - Dreamweaver
Seraphim - Dreamweaver Posts: 117 Arc User
edited April 2011 in Tideswell (East)
This probably has been hashed and rehashed multiple times on forums so I'll attempt to give a concise opinion.

The term "Top" is vague and will always be bound to offend people.
1. If top refers to level, then that, in today's metagame, is of no significant importance.
2. If top refers to gear, then that too is subject to tedium and dispute.
3. And finally if top refers to player skill, than a objective opinion is hard to isolate because skill seems very much defined by gear (and previously by level).

It would be wise to reword the concept to "Dreamweaver's most influential 52." or as what I believe Elenderia pointed out "The Hall of Fame."

To avoid shortchanging players both current and old, the list should be a healthy combination of players across different eras who have contributed to the metagame and influenced the course of this server.

And in that case, before we start reciting the history of guild leaders, lets think of other influential players that didn't always stand in the spotlight. I'd start first with Lieal who pioneered the weekly TW report for this server and then Thrivella for continuing the idea with much vigor. Followed, closely of course, by Matthew who paved the way for the concept of Fist BM.

Again this is your [DreamWeaver] deck of cards not mine. Do as you wish. :)
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Seraphim - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This probably has been hashed and rehashed multiple times on forums so I'll attempt to give a concise opinion.

    The term "Top" is vague and will always be bound to offend people.
    1. If top refers to level, then that, in today's metagame, is of no significant importance.
    2. If top refers to gear, then that too is subject to tedium and dispute.
    3. And finally if top refers to player skill, than a objective opinion is hard to isolate because skill seems very much defined by gear (and previously by level).

    It would be wise to reword the concept to "Dreamweaver's most influential 52." or as what I believe Elenderia pointed out "The Hall of Fame."

    To avoid shortchanging players both current and old, the list should be a healthy combination of players across different eras who have contributed to the metagame and influenced the course of this server.

    And in that case, before we start reciting the history of guild leaders, lets think of other influential players that didn't always stand in the spotlight. I'd start first with Lieal who pioneered the weekly TW report for this server and then Thrivella for continuing the idea with much vigor. Followed, closely of course, by Matthew who paved the way for the concept of Fist BM.

    Again this is your [DreamWeaver] deck of cards not mine. Do as you wish. :)

    Yes. Always appreciative on Lieal's TW reports as biased towards Cala as it seemed sometimes.
  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    i think the other thread is stupid anyway cause many of them shine through their gear then through their "skills". and their "popularity" is relative, it can be negative as well :p
    If i m trolling and spamming on forum...then i cant sleep and need a good laugh
  • Seraphim - Dreamweaver
    Seraphim - Dreamweaver Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    In reality the concept wasn't poor but the execution was.

    People griped because it was named "DreamWeaver's top 52" when the opinion pool it drew off of was limited to just a couple people.

    Realistically it should have be named "Lightaine's top 30 veterans" for accuracy.

    I like the concept as it would be something interesting to see. Obviously there will be disagreements but with some foresight and thinking (as opposed to naming off names without reason), much of it could be avoided.
  • Elendria - Dreamweaver
    Elendria - Dreamweaver Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Very well spoken Seraphim, I couldn't have said it any better.
  • Jette - Dreamweaver
    Jette - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    The fact remains that it will always be based on opinion and it will never be a "proper" list. There will always be someone to argue who should and shouldn't be on there, no matter how they went about compiling it. Like I said in the other thread, I don't even know how I made it on the list, although i'm flattered to have even been considered by it. As far as I can tell it's less of a "Top 52" and more of a popularity contest. Whatever. Either way, it would never be an exact science.

    Either way, it's all for a deck of cards. So. For people to get upset about it is silly anyway. It's not like we're going to get a deck of these cards after all.
  • Ozumaki - Dreamweaver
    Ozumaki - Dreamweaver Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Hi Sera... Hi Ele... Hi Dreamweaver... b:kiss b:kiss b:kiss
  • Namari - Dreamweaver
    Namari - Dreamweaver Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Tops are relative.

    Bottoms are a must. You can get arrested for indecent exposure without a bottom.

    I know, bad joke. It's 10 am.

    Anyways, hi Seraphim, you should come back. Because like, that poison ivy story in Queens is still lingering in my head. And I need a new story to get that one out.
    Censorship is the bane of creativity. Censorship is the bane of personality. Most of all...censorship is the bane of identity.

    My main is Ivy_. I'm better known as Destini. Also known as _Yvi. Yes, I have an identity crisis. b:chuckle

    Looking for a signature for this character. Wanna make me one?
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ... you didnt mention me? just because i wasnt high level as you guys didnt mean i wasnt a fist bm. i made fist since level 1 and even remember you telling me to restat to axe bm cause fist was not wanted. I also took over boss day and ran it when you stopped. Q_Q dont i get credit.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Dellores - Dreamweaver
    Dellores - Dreamweaver Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    NPC gear fights will answer all questions regarding how pro ppl think they are b:victory I doubt it will happen though b:avoid
  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ^I'm game for an npc gear fight. no refines. no genies. no pots. chi starts at 0.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Retired..
  • Rob_Zomby - Dreamweaver
    Rob_Zomby - Dreamweaver Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    i founded the Ninja Barb association :'( i want my share of fame!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    whats a ninja barb, rob?
    i like potato
  • Loarvion - Dreamweaver
    Loarvion - Dreamweaver Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    hey sera!! is till wanna duel u me wants my revenge but on topic i believe that the most influential ppl on the server i would think seraphim for creating calamity wich lead mostly to regensis wich still lives till now 3-4 years jay and zion for creating equinox cloud for dynasty dragoonz for shaping the economy of DW xD BB for making regensis Ajay for being first person successful to defeat calamity and pushing back calamity's dream for more than a year
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Calamity RIP 6/11/2010 same day as my birthday tyvm whoever destroyed it for lovely birthday present ;) almost 3 years u will be forever missed

    what will happen now
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Hai sera b:cute
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    im gonna add Teeki to that list

    cause: panties!



    ~and of course Draal
    the (mean) veno to blame for everything
    "i blame Draal" (c)
    i like potato
  • Elendria - Dreamweaver
    Elendria - Dreamweaver Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Hi Ozumaki b:byeb:kiss It's been a while. I hope everything is good with you.

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