Is Cleric boring?

TheVelvetSin - Lost City · April 2011

Reading skills' descriptions, Cleric seems to be quite nice DD. But are FBs, BHs etc. more like "IH, IH, IH, IH, IH, zzz..." or "IH, IH, Debuff the boss, IH, attack, attack, IH..."? I like helping people but I also love DDing, 1shotting and all that stuff. Cleric seems to be mixture of both for me, but am I right? Cheers b:victory

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · April 2011

Biggest thing is knowing your squads. I.E. which squads are you in heal mode only for, which can you DD and heal etc.

If you get in a regular BH squad or squad with friends a lot you'll get a really good idea really fast how you can change up your game play based on the squad you're in. It's also different if you have to worry about aggro changing cause you have high aps in squad or especially with BHs a larger lvl range...ie a 51 barb might have problems keeping aggro from a lvl 59 pure magic nuker or pure dex archer if they go full out.

I had a blast the other night when a friend and I solo'd BH69. Lvl 89 seeker and my 100 cleric. With only two of use to worry about I ended up being able to heal, purify (rotating w/his Quid Pro Quo), and DD on Polearm. It's the same when I run w/his BM. I know that I can stack him with IH then DD once hp ticks once I stack again and DD. But there's not a lot of people I'd do that with. My cleric has been running with his melee chars for almost 50+ lvls I know how he tends to build them. I just have to remember which char he's on cause forgetting he's on the lower lvl char and tossing a tempest might not be the smartest trick in the book LOL.

Hiemus - Raging Tide · April 2011

Clerics don't usually 1-shot mobs around their own levels, but ones much lower. If you like 1-shot-ing mobs it's better to go with DD classes instead of cleric.

And like she said above, depending on the squad you're with, you might be "IH x100", or "IH IH DD DD IH IH DD DD...". Also because clerics are expected to heal instead of DD, if you DD and someone's charm ticked too much or they died, they could really get on your case about DD-ing instead of healing.

That said, cleric isn't boring to play when you're in a party (dungeons), because you're always observing and responding to the changing actions(hp bars mostly). Basically you're running on full concentration for hours. It's boring to play when you have to grind forever for the high cost of repair, skill-learning, skill books, pod/powder, etc., when you're not in a party.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · April 2011

Wizards are the 1 hit masters, if that's what you're looking for.
Also, bloodpaint free's up alot of time for a cleric when good DDs can basically heal themselves.

For me, I squeeze in plenty of debuffs/attacks without considering myself an "attack" cleric.

A few things I do: Paralyze a mob out of attack range of a ranged DD so the ranged DD can hit it but the mob can't hit back. Then attack it also. No need to heal and the mob dies quicker.

IH a DDer with paint, then debuff the mob. The mob dies quicker, the DDer has 15 seconds of heals, and the increased return of bloodpaint heals the DDer because of the decreased physical defense.

If a DDer has a few mobs on him but is 1v1ing them then sleep one for him, then help him kill the other one with IHs inbetween attacks.

Alot of times its easier to just kill something faster then heal because your DDs take less damage that way and need less healing. Find out who has charms and don't be afraid to let their hp go to half then throw them an IH after the mob to get fully healed before your next mob.

That being said, your usefullness is in healing. The better a squad, the more time you have to DD, the less useful you really are as a cleric. You'll find this more endgame with earlier game a cleric being a requirement for alot of things. Also, since barbs rarely tank the higher level you are alot of DDs playing tank prefer bb for the damage reduction which makes things a little more boring but sometimes its nice to be lazy. Be ready for bb dropping or emergency heals ofcourse.

Jellytoast - Sanctuary · April 2011

To me it's fun analyzing the squad before instances and things. Figuring out who really needs heals, who probably won't, if you can attack, etc. It keeps me on my toes moreso than *click boss* *attack macro*. I have a wizard as well so I know how it is, haha. Wizards don't have to predict who's stealing aggro, who needs the heals first, and most importantly keeping yourself alive. XD

jiq · April 2011

To me, Cleric is the most fun class to play, because I LOVE healing and supporting my squad. You won't have time to DD often at higher lvls (and our damage is nothing compared to 5aps). So if you don't like healing, then yes, Cleric will be boring for you.

Gol_D_Chad - Sanctuary · April 2011

i enjoy being a cleric more-so than a tank or DD-class because the cleric class is so versatile. As a cleric, i heal and when able to,dd and debuff .Of course, the occasional BB does make things boring but i find that clerics get really fun at high lvls.You end up being able to solo/tank lots of things (high lvl phys bosses being the exception) with your heals and you do decent damage. Other DD classes do more damage but thats all they really do, DD.

LeLelle - Sanctuary · April 2011

I've got in trouble quite a bit, DDing when I should be healing. So many people nowdays relying in the cleric to make up for the armor they dont want to buy or work for. You really have to keep your finger on the IH button.

But there are other things to chase off the boredom. Much QQing, drama, and politics that the cleric always seems to be a part of.

As much as one can claim boredom from complete absence of DD work, you really don't want to be a cleric if you have a heart condition.

And roll a male cleric. Its not ladylike to cuss at the squad.

Flickerfae - Sanctuary · April 2011

LeLelle, so true. I died 4 times from the clapping hands in FCC today. I'm usually a light-hearted carebear in squad, but on the fourth death (when I died while rezzing the Sin, grr), I might have let slip a mild swear... the rest of my squad went b:surprised b:nosebleed

Cleric is probably the most complex class to play when in squad. You're predicting and managing aggro stealing, you're trying to anticipate boss aoes, you're switching between Purify-Wellspring-IH at the drop of a hat.. A lot of people think clerics are easy to play... and they are when everything goes well. But when the stuffing hits the fan, you need to be quick with the keyboard and know your stuff.

For that reason, no. Cleric is not boring. b:chuckle

That said, if you want a DD class, you should probably avoid cleric. We do decent DD, but not nearly as well as certain other ranged classes, and not as often. If someone sees you DDing and their charm ticks (even just once!), they can get upset, call you a fail cleric, and accuse you of not playing your class right. True, it's your character, but some people are very sensitive about their charms. b:surrender

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · April 2011

if you cant afk or take your eyes off the screen for a whole minute while the party is fighting...........then i think its far from boring. You cant afford to be bored.

Esorono - Sanctuary · April 2011

Unless you are zhenning with a charm most of the time you are on, then no.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · April 2011

Esorono - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unless you are zhenning with a charm most of the time you are on, then no.

thats 2008 days
when we took naps at the expense of pullers.

Jeremied - Sanctuary · April 2011

Okay, being a full mag build, I tend to 2-3 hit mobs my own lvl. <_< That's actually pretty good for a cleric. However, as people have said before me, if you find healing boring, then you should play another class. Since if you wont be MP charmed, mana is precious and should be used for healing when in a full squad.

Personally though I find being in a squad, healing instead of DDing, really fun! I hardly get hit (know how to manage heal agro), I know I can always find a squad quickly, and the Cleric usually gets second pick of drops after a farming instance ^^ They tend to be kind of expensive to play until you get the good MP food, although since I only use 2-3 skills per mob at this lvl, I've been doing pretty well with the free pots from the supply stash.

You can try to play an Attack Cleric ( .___. ), but they tend to be frowned upon in squads due to neglecting their squad skills (res, purify, squad buffs, important things like those) in favor of maxing attacks.

If you don't want to pay super close attention to everyone's HP including your own to avoid charm ticks, avoiding heal agro, keeping up with faster squad members, and having the strongest healing skills in the game, then a cleric is not for you.

(Soloing stuff at lower lvls as full mag was so fun this time though

However I'm not risking my reputation on being one of the rarely spoken of metal mages.)

Lana - Raging Tide · April 2011

I'd think Spark - Autoattack is way more boring than being the cleric.

Sthenith - Dreamweaver · April 2011

Best thing i love about having/playing a cleric : being able to take hits from a boss when rezzing, after someones stupid mistake causes half the squad wipe. Makes us look awesome.

I like my cleric just because of the fact you can do nearly everything : support healing, DDing, rezzing when needed, soloing (oc we can) and generally be the backbone of a good squad.

Also, clerics are nearly always needed in squads. (talking mixed ones here) What's not to like ?

Esorono - Sanctuary · April 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

thats 2008 days
when we took naps at the expense of pullers.

Exactly. b:chuckle

endlessseek · April 2011

clerics are the least useless class right now.

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · April 2011

endlessseek wrote: »

clerics are the least useless class right now.

I have to say that I find it amusing that the person I'm quoting is the same one to post this thread...

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1061361

Talk about a split personality troll.

Prophete - Dreamweaver · April 2011

Die troll.

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver · April 2011

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have to say that I find it amusing that the person I'm quoting is the same one to post this thread...

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1061361

Talk about a split personality troll.

It more likely seems that he/she just doesn't know what he/she is saying. If I remember right he/she said the same thing in the other topic trying to point out clerics are useless. So I guess he/she was trying to say again that clerics are useless.

Yay! We don't only have a troll... but a nubcake-ish troll!

Hiemus - Raging Tide · April 2011

BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It more likely seems that he/she just doesn't know what he/she is saying. If I remember right he/she said the same thing in the other topic trying to point out clerics are useless. So I guess he/she was trying to say again that clerics are useless.

Yay! We don't only have a troll... but a nubcake-ish troll!

Unfortunately s/he retains enough sanity to not reveal name and server, or no cleric would want to help her/im anymore.

Tryagain - Harshlands · April 2011

TheVelvetSin - Lost City wrote: »

Reading skills' descriptions, Cleric seems to be quite nice DD. But are FBs, BHs etc. more like "IH, IH, IH, IH, IH, zzz..." or "IH, IH, Debuff the boss, IH, attack, attack, IH..."? I like helping people but I also love DDing, 1shotting and all that stuff. Cleric seems to be mixture of both for me, but am I right? Cheers b:victory

Yes clerics are boring. But so is every other class. This game isn't designed to be complicated or even fun.

Pick any class, and you will only use 1-2 skills on repeat.

Viscosity - Dreamweaver · April 2011

Clerics are mainly for healing. If you wanna DD straight out I'd suggest another class unfortunately. =/

Erakko - Raging Tide · April 2011

So far I have 3 clerics over lvl 50 and 4th is coming. Other classes feels too boring to play.

Reifeil - Archosaur · April 2011

TheVelvetSin - Lost City wrote: »

Reading skills' descriptions, Cleric seems to be quite nice DD. But are FBs, BHs etc. more like "IH, IH, IH, IH, IH, zzz..." or "IH, IH, Debuff the boss, IH, attack, attack, IH..."? I like helping people but I also love DDing, 1shotting and all that stuff. Cleric seems to be mixture of both for me, but am I right? Cheers b:victory

What i did with AzuraEclipse (my cleric) whos lvl 100 now. I went full attack cleric. so i capped my str at 58 to be able to hold my wepons and armor. you can always cap it at 70 if you want.

Then i spammed everything else in magic. she has 501 mag (with gear on)

The only problem with this build is that you do great dmg and crit high. Meaning you are able to steal aggro of pretty much anybody( Azura can steal aggro of a lvl 101 barb in fc ). Your vit will be at 5, and you'll be very squishy.
Your heals and buffs are great and are normal like every other cleric.
Just the DDing you'll have to watch out for, because your prety much a 4 shot hit to anything. (mostly bosses-usually 2 shotted-) Mobs are diffrent depending on the lvl and if there magic or psysical.

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · April 2011

Hiemus - Raging Tide wrote: »

Unfortunately s/he retains enough sanity to not reveal name and server, or no cleric would want to help her/im anymore.

*cough* according to core connect lvl 81 something on Dreamweaver server.

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear · April 2011

Reifeil - Archosaur wrote: »

What i did with AzuraEclipse (my cleric) whos lvl 100 now. I went full attack cleric. so i capped my str at 58 to be able to hold my wepons and armor. you can always cap it at 70 if you want.

Then i spammed everything else in magic. she has 501 mag (with gear on)

The only problem with this build is that you do great dmg and crit high. Meaning you are able to steal aggro of pretty much anybody( Azura can steal aggro of a lvl 101 barb in fc ). Your vit will be at 5, and you'll be very squishy.
Your heals and buffs are great and are normal like every other cleric.
Just the DDing you'll have to watch out for, because your prety much a 4 shot hit to anything. (mostly bosses-usually 2 shotted-) Mobs are diffrent depending on the lvl and if there magic or psysical.

b:surrender My cleric steals aggro too...and she's a partial vit build...due to having to take into account borrowing my veno gear which was built and sharded for the veno, before I even thought the cleric would hit 100. Then again she's been stealing aggro off a few barb friends since her early 90s...except on "?" bosses.

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