I want your opinions

Wizzies will always have better overall dmg than mystics. But skill wise mystics might be more efficient against sins than wizzies. Im not 100% sure, still have to fight sins to see the difference. The way sins were designed they r mainly arcane killers. So either wiz or mystic you will be easy kill for a sin as long as you choose AA.

wizards are the strongest magic class. if you want to get the most out of your money i would suggest r8 on your wizard, thats if you truely cant decide. which character do you play more? which character do you have more fun with? i see that your mystic is 69, maybe wait until hes 75-80 to decide, when you can start doing fcs?

i didnt go rank 8 on my veno, but i am going to on my mystic. why? i feel my mystic will get more out of rank 8, and also because i am having a lot of fun with my mystic - to the point where i hardly log in my veno anymore >_>

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Mystics do moderate damage in pvp compared to wizards and psychics. They do have the ability to spike for large amounts of damage, but it's limited to just 1 target. Their offensive ability in TW is limited compared to Wiz/psy.

The true power of mystics in pvp/TW is their ability to mass CC enemy groups, and a 5000 hp heal that is almost instant-cast. They are hands down better than clerics for healing squishy targets like archers and wizards.

If you see yourself supporting the damage dealers by sealing/freezing/sleeping targets, healing the wiz when a sin ambushes him then knocking the sin back for the wiz to continue **** face, then Mystic would be a good choice for R8.

On the other hand, if you want to one-shot 5 people with a single spell, destroy fully buffed barbs/BM's solo, then wiz/psy should be R8.

While I have to agree (obviously) that wizards are much more effective killers in an all out pvp rampage such as tw (and maybe I would agree to psychics as well, due to numerous effective aoe's with short cooldowns and fast cast time) I don't particularly think that mystics are quite as limited as this post makes it sound.

Aside from aoe debuffing along with their seal/freeze abilities, mystics actually carry a lot of offensive weight. Setting cragglord completely aside for the moment, let's consider just a couple of the many combinations available to a mystic (I'll use my own character specs for the moment since I don't know anyone else's well enough.)
Assuming you are fully buffed, which you should be in pvp unless you just died or have been purged, with devil chihyu out, energy leech, double spark, rapid growth, 3x vengeance + galeforce (or 5-6x vengeance) means anywhere from 4 to 6 spells with 15k+m.atk, 35% crit rate, and 14k+ p.def for those pesky melees. All within the 8 seconds that rapid growth is active. After that your channeling and the additional magic bonus go away, but you still have 35% crit rate for about another 6 seconds. 2-4 more spells depending on your channeling.

Another combo, and a far simpler one, is triple spark + rapid growth followed by 1 vengeance and then absorb soul. This combo is a wrecking ball for other arcane classes and a great to avoid that pesky charm ticking again.

The truth is that mystics are actually extremely versatile and have a ton of potential for anyone willing to spend the time. (And actually enjoys the class, because no character you play will seem good if you hate playing it.)

As an additional note, since you did say that mystics are capable of spike damage versus single targets, I now feel the need to point out that rapid growth + thicket + gale force + cragglord aoe is a demolition crew all by itself. This combo is fully possible with a white tea chi pot, or even if you dont summon cragglord, the storm mistress aoe is not entirely useless here.

Again, this post is not here to say that mystics are better damage dealers than wizards, that is not at all what I'm saying, I simply wanted to vie a bit towards the abilities of mystics.

Sassaiki - Sanctuary wrote: »

While I have to agree (obviously) that wizards are much more effective killers in an all out pvp rampage such as tw (and maybe I would agree to psychics as well, due to numerous effective aoe's with short cooldowns and fast cast time) I don't particularly think that mystics are quite as limited as this post makes it sound.

Aside from aoe debuffing along with their seal/freeze abilities, mystics actually carry a lot of offensive weight. Setting cragglord completely aside for the moment, let's consider just a couple of the many combinations available to a mystic (I'll use my own character specs for the moment since I don't know anyone else's well enough.)
Assuming you are fully buffed, which you should be in pvp unless you just died or have been purged, with devil chihyu out, energy leech, double spark, rapid growth, 3x vengeance + galeforce (or 5-6x vengeance) means anywhere from 4 to 6 spells with 15k+m.atk, 35% crit rate, and 14k+ p.def for those pesky melees. All within the 8 seconds that rapid growth is active. After that your channeling and the additional magic bonus go away, but you still have 35% crit rate for about another 6 seconds. 2-4 more spells depending on your channeling.

Another combo, and a far simpler one, is triple spark + rapid growth followed by 1 vengeance and then absorb soul. This combo is a wrecking ball for other arcane classes and a great to avoid that pesky charm ticking again.

The truth is that mystics are actually extremely versatile and have a ton of potential for anyone willing to spend the time. (And actually enjoys the class, because no character you play will seem good if you hate playing it.)

As an additional note, since you did say that mystics are capable of spike damage versus single targets, I now feel the need to point out that rapid growth + thicket + gale force + cragglord aoe is a demolition crew all by itself. This combo is fully possible with a white tea chi pot, or even if you dont summon cragglord, the storm mistress aoe is not entirely useless here.

Again, this post is not here to say that mystics are better damage dealers than wizards, that is not at all what I'm saying, I simply wanted to vie a bit towards the abilities of mystics.

Cragg and storm mistress are nice for small scale pvp, but see how long it lives in TW. People are so buffed up that their damage is laughable and they are killed in 1-2 shots. It's also incredibly risky to walk up to the enemy and gale force them in TW, although there's nothing stopping you if the enemy thinks they can charge you and clump around and not expect to take a gale force up the ***

Thicket aoe seems to be fairly small in comparison to mage/psys.

And a sage mage that pops a white tea is capable of casting BIDS + Bladetempest in about 3 seconds, with either spell having one-shot potential.

But yes I'm not denying that mystics are capable of some incredible damage, and a mystic's main nuke isn't really that much weaker than a mage's gush/pyro spam at endgame. The difference is 5-10%. And actually I would say that my mystic's DPS can easily surpasses my mage's dps.

My point is though, that if he makes a R8 mystic, he can't expect to be primarily DD'ing in TW. Most factions will expect you to support their mages/barbs/clerics/whatever else. Clerics are capable of some pretty nice damage, especially w/ R8/R9, but in TW they are almost always expected to heal except for rare instances.

it's more of a choice of do you want to primarily DD(going around rolling people on your wiz turing them into puddles and drowning them) or Be able to play both feilds of healing/support(when you see a nearby squad member in trouble drop a quick heal or bramble the target away) and DDing(a free for all going on near you? listless/lysing and thicketb:laugh and if anyone tries o come near you bramble >:D)
I know i'm not really high eough to give in put but I still felt like dropping in my two cents. Oh and i completely agree with Vixter about waiting for your mystic to reach a higher lvl to decide.

p.s. can someone provide a link to what r8/r9 for a mystic look like if possibleb:surrender