Give the GMs/Company a break. At least this once

Illuminatos - Sanctuary wrote: »

Some people in this game need to understand when changing or adding codes to a program you can unwillingly and unknowingly effect other codes of the program. The dq/dp rewards scheme has been altered (rank 9 medal removed) to stop people whom where exploiting a code variable that allowed them to make them tradeable.This variable had the potential to take an already rigid economy and shake it to the highest its ever been. Logical thinking would show that they infact removed them to attempt to keep the economy from peaking, an act or i should say an attempt to look after the games players.

Also has anyone even coincidered the possibility that once the problem has safely been resolved that they will reinstate the rank 9 badges to the Dp system. Or have you all been to busy E-raging about the company capitolising on us or accusing them of being money hungry. I will not deny that some out there has become a really wealthy people because of this game but hey it is a buisness. Plus this is a free game if they didnt make some form of profitt how could we enjoy the new perks the new expansions or the new items..... Answer: we couldnt. the game would have failed with in the first year.

All im saying is those raging about this can coincider 2 things.. 1) It's a game for petes sake, not reality. 2) Buisness is all about profitt, and to the company PWI is buisness. The better they do the better it gets for the gamers.

I personaly say well done to them for stoping Exploiters from capitolising. Just as they stop those random few from exploiting a glitch that was allowing players to duplicate coin, after the introduction to the raging tide update. Have faith people.

Well maybe they will put it back, but if they r planing too, why not tell us about it? why wold they let us get so mad cuz of it, when one post saying ,,we will put em back after the glitch is fixed" can easily avoid all this drama? Frankie replyed only once on her thread about this problem, other gms just ignore us or close the threads that requests a answer from them. They dont know what will be the solution yet? R u guys still working on it? give us a damn answer... b:sad

Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »

first explain how this "exploit" of the medals negatively effects anyone.

Ironically, I think the harm would all be on the "game play experience" front, and perhaps on the "available GM time" front.

I think that this exploit put economic power in the hands of the kind of person willing to exploit bugs. And I think that they did not like the implications of that.

Hypothetically speaking, they could have banned such people for some amount of time (they could see how fast they earn coins, without the exploits, then ban them for an amount of time proportional to their in-game profit margin). But doing that kind of work would take time away from everything else they have to do. (Not only do they have to identify and analyze the exploiters, but they would have had to deal with the fallout and reactions to the bans.)

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ironically, I think the harm would all be on the "game play experience" front, and perhaps on the "available GM time" front.

I think that this exploit put economic power in the hands of the kind of person willing to exploit bugs. And I think that they did not like the implications of that.

Hypothetically speaking, they could have banned such people for some amount of time (they could see how fast they earn coins, without the exploits, then ban them for an amount of time proportional to their in-game profit margin). But doing that kind of work would take time away from everything else they have to do. (Not only do they have to identify and analyze the exploiters, but they would have had to deal with the fallout and reactions to the bans.)

Except the only way people exploiting this bug were going to GET any substantial economical muscle is if the medals were removed from the exchange. Up until that point there was no problem. In fact, things seemed to be moving towards the BETTER...but maybe I'm just being ignorant.

If anyone's at fault here, it's not the people making use of the glitch...it's the development team for not having the common sense to realize that anything that they put in the DQ rewards list is, by the very nature of the DQ items themselves being exchangeable, never going to be able to be regulated simply by binding the item itself to a character. If they didn't want medals to be affecting the economy, they never should have put them there in the first place.

But they did. And now the damage is already done. Simply taking away medals isn't going to solve anything at this point. All it accomplishes is pissing many, many people off. =/

Illuminatos - Sanctuary wrote: »

The dq/dp rewards scheme has been altered (rank 9 medal removed) to stop people whom where exploiting a code variable that allowed them to make them tradeable.This variable had the potential to take an already rigid economy and shake it to the highest its ever been.

What are you smoking?! LOL possible fatal blow to the economy? It was helping the economy for the non-CSers. And the small profit that the people exploiting the glitch made was just that: frickin small.

Kieve - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Simply put:

NO.

Now for the logic -

First off, this whole "PWE is a business" excuse needs to die. Immediately, if not a year and a half ago. It comes up every time they do something boneheaded (especially if the vast majority of the community sees it as "greedy") and is basically a carte-blanche excuse for the company to do whatever the hell they want to whoever's left in-game. As a way of thinking, this is absolutely unacceptable.

MMOs are not designed to be a "revolving door" business. An intelligent company looks for ways to keep existing customers, encourage them to continue subscribing / buying points (zen) / playing their game. The fundamental difference is in how customers are treated. Here, it's been blatantly clear for a very long time that PWE as a company looks primarily to its bottom line, considers its "players" only in so far as their purchases are concerned, and more or less has the business philosophy of a mosquito - suck it all dry, and move on to the next victim. An intelligent company, on the other paw, regards its customers as players and seeks to encourage them to continue playing the game. From this viewpoint, it's less about the cash flow and more about creating an experience people will enjoy and continue paying for.

To be fair: I'm undecided on the issues right now, and I certainly support giving the forum mods and admins (especially Frankie) the benefit here - obviously, they're not the decision-makers for the company, and it's pointless to direct any rage at them. But it needs to be made clear:
Just because PWE "is a business" does not excuse them for treating players like dirt.

Is that happening here? I don't know. I simply want this godawful excuse to die.

Eh totally agree
Business = We do the freaking everything we wants and we don't care about the rest

I can't wait to see their company going bankrupt and imaging at their manager's blank faces *wut happened o_O?"

@ The Original Poster.

Some people in this game need to understand when changing or adding codes to a program you can unwillingly and unknowingly effect other codes of the program. The dq/dp rewards scheme has been altered (rank 9 medal removed) to stop people whom where exploiting a code variable that allowed them to make them tradeable.This variable had the potential to take an already rigid economy and shake it to the highest its ever been. Logical thinking would show that they infact removed them to attempt to keep the economy from peaking, an act or i should say an attempt to look after the games players.


*When the medals were on sale they were going for as low as 6 to 8 million on Raging Tide, now they're 25 to 50 mil. This isn't a very good game move. This is an underhanded game move.


Also has anyone even coincidered the possibility that once the problem has safely been resolved that they will reinstate the rank 9 badges to the Dp system. Or have you all been to busy E-raging about the company capitolising on us or accusing them of being money hungry. I will not deny that some out there has become a really wealthy people because of this game but hey it is a buisness. Plus this is a free game if they didnt make some form of profitt how could we enjoy the new perks the new expansions or the new items..... Answer: we couldnt. the game would have failed with in the first year.


Problem SHOULD OF been resolved on December 2010 ~ January 2011 not resolved on April 2011. If you must delete all the medals then delete them out of people's character.


All im saying is those raging about this can coincider 2 things.. 1) It's a game for petes sake, not reality. 2) Buisness is all about profitt, and to the company PWI is buisness. The better they do the better it gets for the gamers.

In the past 52 weeks, shares of Perfect World have traded between a low of $19.70 and a high of $39.17 and are now at $21.18, which is 8% above that low price.

Perfect World is currently below its 50-day moving average of $21.92 and below its 200-day moving average of $24.47. Look for these moving averages to decline to confirm the company's downward momentum.

In the last five trading sessions, the 50-day MA has fallen 0.21% while the 200-day MA has slid 0.29%

http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/11/04/c969669/perfect-world-shares-down-21-0-since-smartrend-said-sell-pwrd


You're right it is a 'business' and its going down.


I personaly say well done to them for stoping Exploiters from capitolising. Just as they stop those random few from exploiting a glitch that was allowing players to duplicate coin, after the introduction to the raging tide update. Have faith people.[/QUOTE]


There is a right way and a wrong way to fix problems. Positive development versus negative development. Punish the people who are exploiting the problem NOT everyone else

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Anni packs was where it began...

This.

Ill start by saying I have not had a chance to read the ENTIRE thread but Im going to throw my 2 cents in anyway. This companys job is to make money....i completely understand that. But they they are going about it all the wrong way, the greedy way. Its obvious to me when i read patch updates week after week they tweak it slightly more in the direction of spend money or GTFO! What they SHOULD be doing is satisfying their customers and making the game as fair and balanced as possible. This WOULD IN FACT MAKE MORE MONEY, in the long run you have more people playing the game. You have happy customers telling their friends "hey you gotta try this game its friggin awesome!" "Oh does it cost money?" "No not at all, you have the option to put money in but you can get buy either way." "Oh wow this is a great game im gunna tell all my friends!" the more people you have PLAYING the game the more people you have putting money into the game. Think of it as its own little government, if you tax the holy hell out of your citizens they will get fed up and leave and you are left with no one to tax. If provide a happy place for them to live with reasonable tax you get more people moving in and more people paying taxes and more money overall. seriously devs, i know it would cost a bit of money to change code but havent we given you enough of it? start small. start by making barbs transform into the true form of the animal they chose like people have been asking for since i joined this game close to 3 years ago. Start by allowing same sex marriges, if people want why the heck not? Then work your way up to things like fix the damn FB59 so monsters can run up on the walls. i mean c'mon, you didnt even try their you didnt make walls at all, you stretched the floors stright up a mile high. the graphics for the walls look like **** and the computer doesnt actually know they are walls. Wow i didnt mean to write so much....hmmm, let me wrap it up. Ive been playing this game for a long time, and to be completly honest i think its a mediocre game with epic potential. the ONLY reason i still play this game is because quite honestly, im hooked like a bad habit. im addicted to it and ive already spent enough money that im not ready to throw all that money away. I just cant understand why you guys havent realized the potential of this game and turned it into what youre loyal paying cumstomers know as the player base deserve to be playing.

Thanx for reading

-removed-

I'm sure they're working on somehting new for medals

and on another note. nice to see you come to the forums Lady_Seolfor

JugalateJudy: take your negativity to another game. kthx

"GMs : -brainwashs lady - *there, we need only fools in game*"

^ NOT an opinion, it's trolling the GMs, disrespecting the very people who maintain the game

and way to notice that I typoed, and find a reason to troll about that too.

I may just be a player, but I have better things to do than deal with you. like helping OTHER players that need it.

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

I see so much GM hate in this thread....... I think that's why it looks like the GM "don't care" about the community. It's because of the flaming.

If you were a GM like Frankie getting multiple flame threads being called "A fail GM" or GMs fail at their job and are to lazy and don't care about the community" all because of 1 change in game that the community doesn't like, what would do? Because if you were in the GMs shoes I know you won't be happy getting all of those hate messages. b:scorn

Cut them some slack, because Raging and QQing doesn't solve anything..... It just start more problems..... b:surrender


(I know I'm going to get flamed for this..... )

So how many times do you get spit in your face before you fight back or get upset?

I'm just being neutral on this. The GMs are only doing their job. And correcting some stuff to make the game more balanced. So what they changed some things... It's just a game guys. It's time to learn how to adjust.

Hudini - Harshlands wrote: »

So after offering OP gear they take it away....thats balance? RUFCKINGWITHME?

They may have a new feature for the r9 gear, so sit back and chill. The rep sale is on still isn't it?