Sins aren't OP. BMs are OP.

Yulk - Raging Tide
Yulk - Raging Tide Posts: 49 Arc User
edited April 2011 in Blademaster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rR7G6v1RA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkqKJkkJ5mk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5220RktahQ

I found this while on youtube and thought I'd share with my fellow BMs. The title says it all.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool

VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG

HA + VIT = win b:bye
Post edited by Yulk - Raging Tide on
«1

Comments

  • Agatio - Harshlands
    Agatio - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    You posted wrong vids:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJa7dGyT3E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSUIatTJzOY
  • Yulk - Raging Tide
    Yulk - Raging Tide Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XcFN1mV-oU

    also

    and we cant forget about:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_2DwrU-R8
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool

    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • Agatio - Harshlands
    Agatio - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I dont know what these^ vids have to do with ur thread. They arent sin vs bm.

    Also vid I posted says it all.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSUIatTJzOY 0:55 - 1:10
    NyKage used his lvl 100 skill for 1000% more pdef. He had full hp and capped pdef. Even though cheze bypased his charm and took 150% of his hp during single 6 sec stun.
  • Yulk - Raging Tide
    Yulk - Raging Tide Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    BMs are OP is the point of the thread

    who is cheze? is nykage a good bm?

    here is another vid i found of a BM killing all classes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19scYOX9t_4
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool

    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    shutup yulk
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Yulk - Raging Tide
    Yulk - Raging Tide Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    BMs have so many stuns. in duels, if you can keep your enemies in a stun lock you will win 100% of the time
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool

    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I wanna see if Yulk himself can beat a sin.
    Yulk - Raging Tide wrote: »
    BMs have so many stuns. in duels, if you can keep your enemies in a stun lock you will win 100% of the time

    For the last effin' time, DUELS MEAN NOTHING.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • INexperience - Raging Tide
    INexperience - Raging Tide Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yulk - Raging Tide wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rR7G6v1RA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkqKJkkJ5mk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5220RktahQ

    I found this while on youtube and thought I'd share with my fellow BMs. The title says it all.

    Even with zerk daggers, pretty obvious chezedude outgears them all. Tanking all those zerk hits. Those sins probably have flawless +4 armor.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    INexperience - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Even with zerk daggers, pretty obvious chezedude outgears them all. Tanking all those zerk hits. Those sins probably have flawless +4 armor.

    this...i have 9.3k hp and can spam demon bell+marrow and a +10 non zerk sin will still take me to 1.5-2k or so before i can leap (i know....sooooo squishy >_<)

    with zerk at a decent refiens its AD of gtfo
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • SilverCleric - Lost City
    SilverCleric - Lost City Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yulk - Raging Tide wrote: »
    BMs have so many stuns. in duels, if you can keep your enemies in a stun lock you will win 100% of the time

    That's the same for Sins, along with Stealth, Deaden Nerves, Focus Mind, Tilde Protection, Perma Sparking, Tele stun, and etc......


    I just wanted to point that out. b:sweat
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    ✰The Nostradamus of PWI ✰

    ★ A not so Retired Veteran of PWI ★

    ✰ ~SilverCleric~ ✰
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I bet a genie with enough energy to use 2 expels in a row would annoy the heck out of sins.


    (100 genie with 91+ lp using 4 pieces of vit gear and stat all into vit)
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Omgpie - Lost City
    Omgpie - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    INexperience - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Even with zerk daggers, pretty obvious chezedude outgears them all. Tanking all those zerk hits. Those sins probably have flawless +4 armor.

    Pretty sure 10.6k hp and 23k p def in marrow is only slightly better than the average well geared bms. also two of the sins are +10 zerk, the other is +12 nv.
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yulk - Raging Tide wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rR7G6v1RA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkqKJkkJ5mk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5220RktahQ

    I found this while on youtube and thought I'd share with my fellow BMs. The title says it all.

    Hey Yulk, can Blademasters do this if they are so OP?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUMEb5lNIU
    (show off)(Don't click it unless you wanna get rebbeca'd)
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • SilverCleric - Lost City
    SilverCleric - Lost City Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hey Yulk, can Blademasters do this if they are so OP?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUMEb5lNIU
    (show off)(Don't click it unless you wanna get rebbeca'd)

    Rofl! b:laugh

    I know right? lol
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    ✰The Nostradamus of PWI ✰

    ★ A not so Retired Veteran of PWI ★

    ✰ ~SilverCleric~ ✰
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hey Yulk, can Blademasters do this if they are so OP?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUMEb5lNIU
    (show off)(Don't click it unless you wanna get rebbeca'd)

    Well, not to support Yulk or anything. . .but actually yes.

    If the BM knew what he was doing (ie used phys marrow) + had blood veng on his claws + had sage BP, it is totally feasible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvWW-3tJ70
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Harpy Wraith is actually pretty easy to solo for a decently geared BM with Demon Bell spam and knowing when to AD the purge at about 25% HP.

    I know with about 17K HP myself and like 35K Phys def from Demon bell I solo'd it just fine.

    Also, sins 1v1 are only OP up until their buffs run out. There's a nice window of opportunity for any equal geared BM to roll a sin when their tidal protection runs out, granted they know how to stun lock with DBB through expel.
    BM PvP Guide: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1320761

    YouTube channels: youtube.com/TheDan912 and youtube.com/TheDanPWI
  • INexperience - Raging Tide
    INexperience - Raging Tide Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Omgpie - Lost City wrote: »
    Pretty sure 10.6k hp and 23k p def in marrow is only slightly better than the average well geared bms. also two of the sins are +10 zerk, the other is +12 nv.

    Yeah thats decent defence against those.

    Though question, what are the refines on your Deicides, and you are 4 base right?

    Also, am I right that those sins are glass cannons?
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Well, not to support Yulk or anything. . .but actually yes.

    If the BM knew what he was doing (ie used phys marrow) + had blood veng on his claws + had sage BP, it is totally feasible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvWW-3tJ70

    sorry I meant solo it in 5 minutes.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    sorry I meant solo it in 5 minutes.

    because in the extra 2 minutes you save you could fap right?
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    No you save that for friday
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No you save that for friday

    And by that you mean listening to 2 minutes of Friday - Rebecca Black. amirite :D
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    And by that you mean listening to 2 minutes of Friday - Rebecca Black. amirite :D

    that song inspires pantscreaming dontchaknow?
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Reeshar - Sanctuary
    Reeshar - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    wha? uh i forgot
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Well, not to support Yulk or anything. . .but actually yes.

    If the BM knew what he was doing (ie used phys marrow) + had blood veng on his claws + had sage BP, it is totally feasible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvWW-3tJ70

    am i wrong or isnt sage BP a SIN skill? - so saying a bm can do the same the sin can do but saying the BM requires a sin skill to make it work is ......b:chuckle
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    am i wrong or isnt sage BP a SIN skill? - so saying a bm can do the same the sin can do but saying the BM requires a sin skill to make it work is ......b:chuckle

    Are you using your brain? That's like not getting cleric, barb, and BM buffs (which cheze obviously had when he solo'd.) Think about what you're saying before you spout off whatever's on your mind.

    Weak logic --> Weak argument.
  • pflegefall69
    pflegefall69 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sin: Higher DPS, 1st action advantage, long seal advantage, sleep as stun connecter advantage, chi advantage, spark in stealth, Tidal prot, stealth to survive, deaden nerves, higher critrate evasion and Jump skill, 100% chance to glich high critrate, condensed thorn...
    Bm: higher def, higher HP, more (longer lasting) stuns
    tell me what exactly is so OP about bms.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    pflegefall69 wrote: »
    Sin: Higher DPS, 1st action advantage, long seal advantage, sleep as stun connecter advantage, chi advantage, spark in stealth, Tidal prot, stealth to survive, deaden nerves, higher critrate evasion and Jump skill, 100% chance to glich high critrate, condensed thorn...
    Bm: higher def, higher HP, more (longer lasting) stuns
    tell me what exactly is so OP about bms.

    BMs aren't OP, but they're a lot more useful in mass PvP. Better support AoE stuns, Aoe slows, long range silence, AoE Paralyze/interval/channel decrease, HF, spike phys def buff, marrows, two leaps, longer anti stun and run skills, DBB CH GS cancel casting, better DPH with axes, better self buffs after purge, better crowd controllers.
    BM PvP Guide: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1320761

    YouTube channels: youtube.com/TheDan912 and youtube.com/TheDanPWI
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    BMs aren't OP, but they're a lot more useful in mass PvP. Better support AoE stuns, Aoe slows, long range silence, AoE Paralyze/interval/channel decrease, HF, spike phys def buff, marrows, two leaps, longer anti stun and run skills, DBB CH GS cancel casting, better DPH with axes, better self buffs after purge, better crowd controllers.

    In mass pvp we're a support class i would call what we do harrasment/support more than crowd control. Actual killing goes to the classes that dont have to run screaming into the masses of rank 8/9 casters/archers.

    Beating a BM 1v1 in mass pvp 101, Expel, wait for your squad to kill it. Next. That said a bm anywhere near you in mass pvp/TW is obscenly irksome if your focused on another target specificly a ranged DD. So again usefull but the BM itself isnt the real threat unless your geni is on cooldown or your gear sucks harder than yulks father/mother/siblings when the rents due.

    TBH we're at our best in 1v1 self buffed pvp since we can use our marrows and control skills to their full effect there.

    Old news is old but may as well restate it
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Compared to sins, BMs play a more important role in mass PvP overall. Sins have better control skills when it comes to 1v1, but since none of them are AoE control skills, well... let's see.

    I see a lot of sins these days sharding full DoT. I like to compare this sin build similar to a full LA BM with the only skill tree they have is fists/claw and no marrows. We'll say with their shards and lack of defensive gems it would be about equivalent to having a permanent frenzy on.

    They will last only about as long as their Ironguard. So this LA build BM can pop out of stealth and do a few stuns every 2 minutes when cooldown of Ironguard is done and if lucky kill one or two people, then get facerolled. This pretty much sums up mass PvP for a sin when sides are even lol, at least in my eyes.
    BM PvP Guide: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1320761

    YouTube channels: youtube.com/TheDan912 and youtube.com/TheDanPWI
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Compared to sins, BMs play a more important role in mass PvP overall. Sins have better control skills when it comes to 1v1, but since none of them are AoE control skills, well... let's see.

    I see a lot of sins these days sharding full DoT. I like to compare this sin build similar to a full LA BM with the only skill tree they have is fists/claw and no marrows. We'll say with their shards and lack of defensive gems it would be about equivalent to having a permanent frenzy on.

    They will last only about as long as their Ironguard. So this LA build BM can pop out of stealth and do a few stuns every 2 minutes when cooldown of Ironguard is done and if lucky kill one or two people, then get facerolled. This pretty much sums up mass PvP for a sin when sides are even lol, at least in my eyes.

    eh still dont see how sins actually die that way

    2 spark+antistun and tidal from stealth = 10 seconds of imuntity to disables of any kind and the ability to drop somone completyly ignoreing charm

    and in TW everyones focused on their targets and rarely ever full on geni stam from antistuning/imuneing on mages/archers the only time i can see this really workig is in map mass pvp with a squad of highly geared players all within fast disable range of one another but thats just assumeign the sins solo, add on a caster 2 spark aoeing the groups and the sin can pick off 1/2 before you know it after the innital wtf

    yay for most folks sucking at the game
    Gifs are hard to make work here

Categories